[Dogzilla]

You little poofs should be getting real nervous about now. The End is near!

[tvd]

Like Madam President?

[Intrepid]

Madcow must have fed him some inside info, even as we speak.

The desperation of these loons is hilarious. I bet both Dogshit and Elkindoofus think impeachment means removal from office.
Neither one of these fools has enough sense to come in out of the rain.

[Dogzilla]

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[Intrepid]

Either Madcow has given Dogshit a date certain for the downfall of Trump, or...

Dogshit has put into motion his master plan for dealing with Trump himself.

Brilliant!

[Dogzilla]

We'll see, won't we.

[elklindo69]

GOP healthcare plan repeal = TOTAL FAIL!

:mrgreen:

[johnforbes]

Because of fake Repubs (McCain, Capito, Collins, Murkowski), it was a total failure.

But who lost?

The American people lost because the nightmare of Obamacare rolls on.

Elkin and the Dems don't care about that because they don't -- and never did -- care about health care.

[Clownkicker]

But I thought it wasn't about "health care" johnny. "It's about insurance."

And the skinny bill would have TAKEN AWAY insurance from millions of people...on purpose.

Must you be a hypocrite about every word that comes out of your mouth?

[johnforbes]

Nope, that's not true and you know it isn't.

Nobody would have "lost" or been kicked off a thing.

Millions of kids on Obamacare don't want or need it; they were just mandated by that moronic Supreme Court ruling to get it.

As to the wording "health care," that is a simplistic way to convey what people have been talking about, although of course it is really about insurance.

Every person STILL gets free care at any ER.

Heck, illegal aliens could get Obamacare and everybody knows that.

[Clownkicker]

"Nobody would have "lost" or been kicked off a thing."-johnfibs

No intelligent person can say something that ignorant with a straight face.
MILLIONS of people would have lost their insurance. Not even the Republican party disputes that.
And "emergency treatment" is not "health care", johnny. It's called an emergency for a reason.
People's health care should not begin only when it's too late.


"The American people lost because the nightmare of Obamacare rolls on."-johnfibs

The "skinny bill" was so horrific that McConnell had to actually go to Ryan and strong-arm a promise that the House wouldn't pass it if the Senate did.

What does that tell you, johnny?
What does it tell you when the proponents of a bill have to extract promises that it never actually becomes law?
Does that sound like a bill that would be good for America; one that's so bad its proponents dread it?

There is NOTHING stopping Republicans from proceeding with a serious health care proposal that they would actually want the other house to pass.
Republicans could literally pass anything they want to pass. Democrats couldn't stop them.
If the American people lose it's because Republicans don't care about that because they don't -- and never did -- care about health care.

[Dogzilla]

Johnnie.....You're just a dishonest asshole. I'm very ashamed to have known you.

[Intrepid]

Sounds like Dogshit is saying goodbye.

Will he off himself,
Or,
Does he not expect to survive his upcoming attempt on Trump?

[tvd]

Suicide by Secret Service....

[johnforbes]

What is dishonest -- for the CBO or anybody -- is to say millions would lose health care.

That simply isn't true and every rational person knows it.

Block-granting Medicaid to the states, and the simple fact that millions of kids didn't even want or need Obamacare (hence the mandate), those are salient factors.

The Left, in its endless attempt to gain the moral high ground, is now pretending keeping Obamacare was good for America.

It wasn't and everybody knows it.

[Dogzilla]

It IS good, and everybody knows it. Even you. You just don't LIKE it, because black guy.

[Intrepid]

Yeah, it's so good that it's failing spectacularly and the providers are backing out in droves. Premiums are quadrupling and nobody can afford the deductibles.

Do you understand ANY of this shit or do you just repeat what Madcow tells you?

[RealJustme]

Obamacare only works for those who don't work, everyone else picks up the bills and suffers worse medical care.

[johnforbes]

Obama was 1/2 black, not a black guy.

That aside, what relevance does race have?

My comments were about the spectacular mess of Obamacare.

[Clownkicker]

"What is dishonest -- for the CBO or anybody -- is to say millions would lose health care."-johnfibs

No, what is dishonest -- for you or anybody -- is to say the CBO ever said anyone was going to lose their "health care."
It never happened. You made it up.

The CBO only said that many people would lose their "health insurance" or their "coverage". They said there would be "15 million fewer insured" people. They never said they would lose their health care.
You're doing that old dishonest conservative word replacement shuffle, replacing "health insurance" with "health care" because that's the only way you have any argument whatsoever; if you make up some outrageous stupid shit.


The Right, in its endless attempt to gain the moral high ground, is now pretending failing to replace Obamacare (which they could have done, but didn't) was good for America.

[johnforbes]

When this whole repeal thing popped up, the Left began saying people would die without Obamacare.

Now it WAS an enormous victory for Obama's cynicism that some people were instantly addicted to the subsidies of Obamacare.

As Prof Gruber admitted, the ability to lie to Americans helped Obamacare because, as he said, voters were often stupid.

[Dogzilla]

Yeah.....and the Orange Buffoon's electoral win PROVES that.


PS....But, it's nearly over. Won't be too much longer now. The worst part of that is that we're still gonna be stuck with Pence. He's a mean POS too.

[tvd]

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[tvd]

Obamacare is a flat out failure. Period.

[johnforbes]

The comments from Professor Gruber, one of the architects of Obamacare, were the most deadly.

He said "lack of transparency" was a huge advantage because the voters were stupid, and those who favored Obamacare were indeed stupid.

It was a wealth transfer scheme, and the individual mandate was needed to make it work because healthy young people had to be forced to pay for the people Obama wanted to give welfare-like health insurance to.

Why did Congress exempt itself, and why does Congress not like Trump's threat to remove that exemption?

[Clownkicker]

"Obamacare is a flat out failure. Period."-tvdunce

No, it has been very successful for a lot of people--millions, in fact.
Has it been successful for everyone. No. But it absolutely is not "a flat out failure. Period."


"He said "lack of transparency" was a huge advantage because the voters were stupid, and those who favored Obamacare were indeed stupid."-johnflubs

Okay, for the sake of argument, let's stipulate to that.
Now, why haven't you said a single critical word about the "lack of transparency" of the Republican bill that a handful of old Republican men put together in complete secrecy behind closed doors and that McConnell was so embarrassed by that he had to extract a promise from Ryan that it wouldn't become law? There wasn't a single hearing, unlike the many for Obamacare. How is the Republican bill any more transparent? Why in the world should anyone have voted for a bill produced in an even less transparent way?
But you hypocrites don't care about that because it's your guys doing it this time.

"When this whole repeal thing popped up, the Left began saying people would die without Obamacare."-johnfoibles

So now you're just going to pretend you didn't say the CBO claimed it, eh johnny? :lol:
Dishonest scumbag.

"As Prof Gruber admitted, the ability to lie to Americans helped Obamacare because, as he said, voters were often stupid."-johnflubs

You mean in EXACTLY the same way Republicans had the ability to lie to Americans over the 'repeal' bill that no one had a chance to read?
You are criticizing an earlier mistake and are now stubbornly insisting we should have repeated that huge mistake.
By anyone's standards (even hypocrites like you, johnny) that's really stupid.

Every one of you clowns is here criticizing Obamacare but not a single one of you are defending or promoting the Republican 'plan'. Why is that?
It's probably because you don't know what's in it. :lol:

[johnforbes]

Clown, you are wrong.

I think any health bill should be arrived at in public -- not be written by staffers and lobbyists, as occurred in both cases.

Obamacare was rammed through via reconciliation, votes at midnight, etc.

There is more emphasis on that because it actually became law.

[Clownkicker]

No, you have had NO emphasis on the Republican's secrecy fiasco. Zero.
You just acted an apologist for the Republicans on another thread saying the aim was to get "House-Senate conferees".
Not a shred of criticism for their methods so far, only support.

And what that means is you were fine with it if it achieved that partisan goal.

Try to be honest about something just once in your life, johnny.
Just come out and say the Republicans were wrong to put forward a bill written in secrecy. I5t's that simple, johnny.
And none of your pathetic "it's wrong for anyone to produce a bill in secret" bullshit. We're not talking about "anyone" we're talking about Republicans this time.

[johnforbes]

I just said that above.

Let me repeat it below.

Health care affects all people, not those in one party.

Any health bill should be done openly -- on C-Span as Obama promised many times, but didn't do.

[Clownkicker]

^^^^^^^ See? He STILL can't say it. :lol:

Fucking hypocrite.

[Dogzilla]

I can't figure out if JJ is really that ignorant, or if he's just that mean. Or if he's just playing a part.

[johnforbes]

That's a tough call.

My conclusion is that he is handsome, fit, and thoroughly charming on this sparkling summer morning.

[Clownkicker]

Dog, johnny knows exactly what he's doing.
He's a collaborator whenever it serves his narrow self-interest. If he had been born in Germany 90 years ago, he would have been selling supplies to the Nazis while trying to convince himself he didn't actually know about the concentration camps. He would have been good friends with Prescott Bush.


johnforbes is doing what any pussy does when forced to face a truth that threatens his "Weltbild": he willfully pretends it's not true because otherwise he would have to re-evaluate his life and make a moral choice.
But he's comfortable now and that would be hard.

It's impossible to believe such a coward was ever in special forces.

[Dogzilla]

So....."playing a part". That would be my guess too.

[johnforbes]

Sua sponte!

[RealJustme]

I can't figure out if JJ is really that ignorant, or if he's just that mean. Or if he's just playing a part.

Dog, you seem like a nice enough guy, but you have your head buried up your ass and your hate drives you to say stupid stuff. As far as you not being able to figure it out...you're not expect to, you were a teacher that's lived in a fantasy land of how things should be rather than what they really are. Those who can't handle the real world teach, that is very true.

[Dogzilla]

You'll be happy to know that during all of my teaching days, I was a diehard republican. Many discussions between lessons, included information that (regrettedly) directed information toward the right. I even had a lesson on "creation" that preceeded the evolution chapter. Go figure. Almost all of the teachers (and Principal) in my school were very conservative. Still are, in fact.

My shift away from the right began slowly. The nastiness of Limbaugh, et al, was a major contributor, as was seeing the hate and obvious lies that were streaming from Fox and from those who claimed to be so "christian". I'm still not a leftist......their nonsense is about as repulsive as the righttards.....but a moderate with leanings toward being more liberal. I actually CARE about people now, more than I ever did before. I just don't like the nasty, lying, mean ones......no matter which political persuasion they come from.