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By elklindo69
#88099
Appeals Court Upholds Ban on Enforcing Trump Travel Restrictions

A federal appeals court Thursday upheld one of two bans on enforcing President Donald Trump's executive order restricting travel from six predominately Muslim countries.

The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, based in Richmond, Virginia, voted 10-3 to uphold a ruling by a federal judge in Maryland who declared in March that the president's revised travel order amounted to unconstitutional religious discrimination.

Campaign statements by Donald Trump, who originally called for a ban on Muslim immigration, "provide direct, specific evidence" of what motivated his executive orders — "President Trump's desire to exclude Muslims from the United States," the appeals court said.

The revised executive order "cannot be divorced from the cohesive narrative linking it to the animus that inspired it," the court said in an opinion written by Chief Judge Roger Gregory.
By sillydaddy
#88100
When the libtards see their own children bleeding and in pieces, in the street.....then they will
again blame President Trump for not doing enough....

Take note...the media is now reporting the terrorist bomber in Manchester called
his mother just before he killed ...asking his mother to forgive him as if to say
"Oh look..they are human too".

Animals!!.... Fuck 'em all..!!
By johnforbes
#88101
This is almost a textbook example of how not to be an appellate judge -- looking to what is NOT in the text of the order, and imagining that a campaign speech is the true intent.

Imagine if all the leftist rhetoric Obama used were factored in?

As to who did "fail" here, it was the Left which failed to help protect America from terrorists.

What group of people performed the many acts of terror across Europe?
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By RealJustme
#88106
Our Supreme Court will over rule it and give our President full power to do what has to be done. Trump is playing chess while the left is play checkers, he set them up for checkmate!
By Clownkicker
#88108
The original ban was to last 90 days and was supposedly to give the Trump Administration time to evaluate screening and vetting procedures for travel to the U.S..
"Under these authorities, I determined that, for a brief period of 90 days, while existing screening and vetting procedures were under review, the entry into the United States of certain aliens from the seven identified countries -- each afflicted by terrorism in a manner that compromised the ability of the United States to rely on normal decision-making procedures about travel to the United States -- would be detrimental to the interests of the United States."-Trump

Well, 90 days has gone by without his ban and nothing happened, which demonstrates that in fact his ban was unnecessary.
Meanwhile, has Trump used that 90 days he pretended was needed to do anything at all about evaluating screening and vetting procedures.
Of course not. He never intended to do anything. If he had, it would have been done a month ago and we would have seen his proposals.

Secondly, Trump claimed he needed 120 days to evaluate refugee vetting and screening.
"(iii) Executive Order 13769 also suspended the USRAP for 120 days. Terrorist groups have sought to infiltrate several nations through refugee programs. Accordingly, I temporarily suspended the USRAP pending a review of our procedures for screening and vetting refugees."-Trump

120 days have nearly gone by without incident and Trump still hasn't done a thing about evaluating those polices.
He was never going to do anything or it would be done by now.
Trump was only pandering to his base of xenophobes and religious bigots who aren't smart enough to notice there has been no action on the issues Trump claimed to be concerned about.

And now you clowns are mad at the judges instead of being mad at Trump for not doing anything in those 90 and 120 day periods.
In other words, everything is just par for the course for the dimwitted Right.
By sillydaddy
#88112
Well, 90 days has gone by without his ban and nothing happened, which demonstrates that in fact his ban was unnecessary.
Clown....but it has! Only it has happened overseas !
Now say, "Thank you, Mr.President ".. :)
By johnforbes
#88113
But that's a failure of logic.

If you make murder legal in a certain jurisdiction, and 90 days passes without one, it doesn't mean the law is superfluous.

What the Left wants is open borders and more uncheckable Syrians.

The Left WANTS Americans to be exposed to greater risks.

Tony Blair said he wanted to rub the noses of the Right in "diversity" and so the UK imported packs of uncheckable people and ruined the country.
By Clownkicker
#88116
Again, since johnny couldn't actually refute a thing I said, he distracts with phony philosophical arguments and lies rather than argue the facts of the travel ban.

Was the travel ban for 90 days? Yes or no?

Have 90 days passed since January 27th? Yes or no?

Did Trump evaluate those travel policies in that time and present solutions to his perceived problems? Yes or no?


I make it simple for simple minds. Try to answer any of those questions, johnny.
You won't because you are merely so much dishonest partisan scum.
By Clownkicker
#88117
"Clown....but it has! Only it has happened overseas !
Now say, "Thank you, Mr.President ""-sillydummy

You just made my case for me, dimwit. :lol:
There was no travel ban. Nothing happened here.
I'm glad we agree on something.

"Thanks for nothin', Mr. President"
By johnforbes
#88128
The order was very, very clearly constitutional.

What the court did was look somewhere else, to a political speech.

That's simply insane.

In other words, the judges simply asked themselves whether they were Democrats and found they were.

What the Left wants is open borders and more uncheckable Syrians.

The Left WANTS Americans to be exposed to greater risks.

Tony Blair said he wanted to rub the noses of the Right in "diversity" and so the UK imported packs of uncheckable people and ruined the country.
By Clownkicker
#88134
johhny, let's say everything you said is true. (It's not, but let's say it is.)

Now, address the simple point: Trumps said he needed 90 days, Trump has had 90 days, but Trump has done nothing to address what he tried to convince us were critical concerns for America.
Apparently that was a lie or we would have the results of Trump's important evaluations by now.
Do you agree or disagree that Trump has done nothing to evaluate vetting and screening practices since he hasn't released any changes in 120 days?

But you don't care because you're merely a partisan hypocrite. You couldn't care less about evaluating vetting and screening procedures any than Trump does. You're simply a bigot and that's enough for you.

Guys like RealTool still support the travel ban because they are juststupid.
Guys like you still support the travel ban because you are intellectually bankrupt.
You know my questions are valid, you even know the answers, but you won't answer them for one reason: you don't like the answers you know to be true. They make both you and Trump look foolish, so you try to distract with irrelevancies.
By johnforbes
#88144
You don't want to equate what was released with what was done.

Hopefully, Trump staffers have been busy revising the procedures.

But it is genuinely shocking that an appellate court would just quit the business of judging what the order said, and look behind the order to see if they liked the politician or what he might said on the campaign trail.

That is simply resigning your job and playing politics.
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