[johnforbes]

How can we know that Trump was correct about the wiretap?

Two days later, the claim remains undenied.

Obama's lawyer wrote up a piece saying it was a cardinal rule that the WH never dipped into DoJ business, and we all know a president wouldn't personally appear before a FISA court to seek a wiretap.

Hiding behind a bland legal paragraph is classic Washington, and it tells us what Trump said was the truth.

[Intrepid]

They were warned by one of their own, an Obozo speech writer not to flatly deny the charge.
And they wisely took heed.

Very telling.

[Clownkicker]

How can we know that Trump was correct about the wiretap of his phones or his campaign?

Two days later, the claim remains unsupported by even a shred of evidence from anyone.

If anyone had any evidence whatsoever to support Trump's claim, "believe me" it would be all over FOXnews and Breitbart, and the utter lack of evidence there tells us what Trump said is merely innuendo of the type partisan tools like johnforbes and Loser Boy AssClown Insipid rely on to build their entire flimsy belief systems.

[johnforbes]

Come on, Clown, you know better than that.

Everybody knows they went to the FISA court in June 2016, were refused, and tried again in October and got the wiretap.

The Dems have been very careful not to say this did not happen because it did.

The fine line they are attempting to draw is that Obama didn't personally order it, but that somehow some rogue person in DoJ or the FBI got it.

[Intrepid]

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[Clownkicker]

^^^^^ Well, Loser Boy AssClown Insipid shows us he's got nothin'. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Next.

[namngulfvet]

^^^^^ Well, Loser Boy AssClown Insipid shows us he's got nothin'. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Next.

Liberals have such short term HYPOCRITICAL memories

Obama Administration Secretly Obtains Phone Records of AP Journalists


https://www.wired.com/2013/05/doj-got-r ... e-records/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Barack Obama 'approved tapping Angela Merkel's phone 3 years ago'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... s-ago.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Clownkicker]

^^^^^ Well, namandgulfdummy shows us he's got nothin' on the Trump claims.

Next.

[johnforbes]

Clapper has a very clear record of -- let's be polite -- misleading the public.

He said no records were kept on Americans, but it turned out tens of millions of records were kept.

Nobody would believe him if he said grass is often green in the summer.

The Obama Administration politicized the IRS, which Nixon only dreamed of doing.

Under subpoena, Lerner's hard drive got "scratched" and then the tape backup was mysteriously gone.

[Clownkicker]

"Everybody knows they went to the FISA court in June 2016, were refused, and tried again in October and got the wiretap."-johnfibs

No, johnny, "everybody" does NOT know that.
Until you see the warrant, you have no idea what it covered.
All you have is unsupported innuendo, which for some reason is all you ever need to make up your mind on any issue.

"It’s certainly ironic that the Trump White House — which has heavily criticized articles relying on anonymous sources — now relies on articles based on anonymous sources that cite information that has not been confirmed by any U.S. news organization. It would be amusing if it were not so sad.

Even if these media reports are accepted as accurate, neither back up Trump’s claims that Obama ordered the tapping of his phone calls. Moreover, they also do not back up the administration’s revised claim of politically motivated investigations."-Washington Post

[Intrepid]

If Bannon turns out to be correct, all the beat downs I've given to the AssClown put together won't add up to that one. And after I get done stomping his ass into a mud hole, I'll throw Dogshitzilla in on top of him.

[Clownkicker]

^^^^^ Well, Loser Boy AssClown Insipid returns just to reiterate that he's got nothin'. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He's always the loud-mouthed impotent douche bag. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[johnforbes]

Of course, Obama knew about this and approved of it.

Just as he knew about Hillary's private server for year. Didn't the WH have to know about that?

Obama's IRS targeted political foes, and you had hard drives and tape backups mysteriously be scratched or vanish.

Obama wiretapped Merkel, and tapped journalists like Rosen.

It is just how they did things.

Nixon would be proud.

[Clownkicker]

"Of course, Obama knew about this and approved of it."-johnfooled

johnny, even if Obama knew about "this" and approved of "it" you have no idea what "it" is.
You're just taking Trump's word for "it".

He hasn't offered a shred of evidence to back up his claims.

[Intrepid]

A partial list of Obozo's wiretaps (and someone who can only spew emoticons shouldn't talk about someone who does have the facts).

WikiLeaks released the following list on February 23rd (see link here) of Obama Administration wire taps:

* The US National Security Agency bugged a private climate change strategy meeting; between UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon and German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin;* Obama bugged Chief of Staff of UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) for long term interception targetting his Swiss phone;* Obama singled out the Director of the Rules Division of the World Trade Organisation (WTO), Johann Human, and targetted his Swiss phone for long term interception;* Obama stole sensitive Italian diplomatic cables detailing how Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu implored Italy’s Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi to help patch up his relationship with US President Barack Obama, who was refusing to talk to Netanyahu;* Obama intercepted top EU and Japanese trade ministers discussing their secret strategy and red lines to stop the US “extort[ing]” them at the WTO Doha arounds (the talks subsequently collapsed);* Obama explicitly targeted five other top EU economic officials for long term interception, including their French, Austrian and Belgium phone numbers;* Obama explicitly targetted the phones of Italy’s ambassador to NATO and other top Italian officials for long term interception; and* Obama intercepted details of a critical private meeting between then French president Nicolas Sarkozy, Merkel and Berluscon, where the latter was told the Italian banking system was ready to “pop like a cork”.

In addition to the above list we also know now that Obama wire tapped various individuals in the US media that were reporting information not flattering to the Obama Administration. It is widely known that Obama’s Justice Department targeted journalists with wiretaps in 2013:

* In 2013 the liberal Washington Post expressed outrage after the revelation that the Justice Department had investigated the newsgathering activities of a Fox News reporter as a potential crime in a probe of classified ***. The reporter, Fox News’ James Rosen and his family, were part of an investigation into government officials anonymously leaking information to journalists. Rosen was not charged but his movements and actions were tracked.* Also in 2013, members of the Associated Press were also a target of the surveillance. The ultra liberal New Yorker even noted that “In moderate and liberal circles, at least, the phone-records scandal, partly because it involves the dear old A.P. and partly because it raises anew the specter of Big Brother, may well present the most serious threat to Obama’s reputation.”* Reporter Sharyl Attkisson said in 2014 that her personal computer and CBS laptop were hacked after she began filing stories about Benghazi that were unflattering to the Obama administration. A source who checked her laptop said the hacker used spyware “proprietary to a government agency,” according to an article in the New York Post.

[Clownkicker]

^^^^^ Well, Loser Boy AssClown Insipid returns just to reiterate that he's still got nothin' to back up Trump's claims.

He's always the loud-mouthed impotent douche bag. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Intrepid]

I must also point out for the record that the AssClown is now firmly on record stating no wiretapping or surveylance took place.

[Clownkicker]

But you just claimed repeatedly that it DID, Loser Boy AssClown. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I certainly never made any such claim. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm waiting for some shred of evidence to make up my mind.

[RealJustme]

I'm waiting for some shred of evidence to make up my mind.

Dude, the most powerful man in the world just said Obama had his lines wire tapped. All the evidence I need.

[Clownkicker]

Putin just said his lines were wire tapped by Obama? I didn't hear about that.

[johnforbes]

The AP was saying Trump gave no evidence of the wiretap, but what evidence did the AP need to claim Russia affected the election?

None.

[Intrepid]

The AssClown, having given it some thought decides he better come up with a silly ass word game to set up the silly ass word game he's going to have to invent when the wire tap evidence comes out.

[Clownkicker]

"The AssClown, having given it some thought decides he better come up with a silly ass word game to set up the silly ass word game he's going to have to invent when the wire tap evidence comes out."-LoserBoyAssClownInsipid

You sure did, AssClown Insipid. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Once it finally dawns on you that once again I never said the things you pretend I said, you're forced to pull up your pants and slink away, hoping nobody noticed.
But of course it's too late. I did notice and I already rubbed your nose in it. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Whenever I point out you made a fool of yourself through your gross ignorance, you backpedal with some silly ass word game like changing terminology (a "Reichstag event" becomes a "false flag event" for example.)

Loser Boy Assclown Insipid is so owned. Dance some more, Loser Boy. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Clownkicker]

"The AP was saying Trump gave no evidence of the wiretap..."-johnforbes

Yes, johnny, the AP should report things that are undisputed facts. Trump gave no evidence of the wiretap.
Do you have some problem with reporting undisputed facts? :shock:

[elklindo69]

Sessions testified to the congress that he did not meet with the Russians.

Then he later said that he did indeed meet with the Russians.

Now Trump is bellyaching that the Russia-Trump connection investigation...is a witch hunt? Blaming it on Obama?

So what's Trump doing? Running a campaign or running the government???

:roll:

[Intrepid]

The AssClown at least is consistent. He creates a shit storm of words, does his usual silly ass word game, throws in some emoticons and then does his self congratulatory victory dance.

We will now see more of the same.
As the whip has cracked, the AssClown must perform.

[Clownkicker]

Yes, the whip cracked and the AssClown performed, just as I ordered him to do.
But why he keeps returning to recount his serial humiliation for us is curious.
His masochism and mental illness, I guess. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Loser Boy AssClown Insipid will never learn. He's so owned. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[sillydaddy]

I wouldn't put it past Obama to order the wire taps.

Of course his "fingerprints" will not be found any where near this!....

But just like Bubba had a meeting with Lynch on the tarmac and there is no transcript of what was said..

So could Obama have his own little whatever meetings and probably did... :o :o

[elklindo69]

Looking for the evidence that Obama personally ordered the Trump wiretap.

We don't even know if Trump's building was even wiretapped? But Trump could have the warrants declassified. Come one Donnie...Do it!!!

:lol:

[namngulfvet]

^^^^^ Well, Loser Boy AssClown Insipid shows us he's got nothin'. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Next.

Liberals have such short term HYPOCRITICAL memories

Obama Administration Secretly Obtains Phone Records of AP Journalists


https://www.wired.com/2013/05/doj-got-r ... e-records/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Barack Obama 'approved tapping Angela Merkel's phone 3 years ago'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... s-ago.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I rest my case Elkndoofus After doing this he certainly could have wire tapped Trump

[johnforbes]

Obama apologized to Japan, France, Germany, and others for wiretapping.

Journalists such as Atkinson and Rosen were wiretapped.

Apparently, the main target of this was Paul Manafort and 3 other Trump colleagues, and the second FISA court warrant was apparently approved in October.

Sources for this include the Guardian and -- yes -- the NY Times.

[elklindo69]

There's no credible proof that Obama personally ordered any wiretapping of Trump. If there were credible sources then Hoax News and Breitbart would have gone ape shit bananas. It's nothing more than Trump slander. And Obama should sue Trump for slander.

[sillydaddy]

Elk....Listen to the statements coming out of the Obama camp....He has not denied it..only talked around it .. :o

[RealJustme]

There's no credible proof that Obama personally ordered any wiretapping of Trump

Here's how the libtards are responding:

1st denial - "There was no wiretaps of Trump"
2nd denial - "Obama had no knowledge of the wiretaps"
3rd denial- "Obama played no role in the wiretaps"
4th denial - "Obama didn't personally order the wiretaps"
Coming - "Obama had every right to order the wiretaps"

[elklindo69]

Elk....Listen to the statements coming out of the Obama camp....He has not denied it..only talked around it .. :o

@KLewis44

Neither @barackobama nor any WH official under Obama has ever ordered surveillance on any US Citizen. Any suggestion is unequivocally false

https://twitter.com/KLewis44/status/838087878089535491

[johnforbes]

Elkin, you aren't a lawyer and haven't worked in town, so you don't recognize the non-denial denial.

No, Obama wouldn't have ordered the wiretap. But Loretta Lynch worked for Obama, and his Administration wiretapped Hollande, Merkel, Abe, as well as journalists such as Atkisson and Rosen.

Trying to pretend wiretapping wasn't common is just a non-starter.

Who intercepted Gen Flynn's phone calls? Where was he calling from?

[Intrepid]

I reiterate: You could drive an M1-Abrams main battle tank, at full speed with the turret slewed 90 degrees from the line of travel through that denial.

It was a masterpiece of lawyerly bullshit and boilerplate denial.

I don't have a Harvard Law degree, but even I can recognize world class bullshit when I read it.

Elkindoofus, sadly, cannot.

[Intrepid]

Dan Bongino, former NYPD detective and Secret Service Presidential Protection detail member is also Tweeting cautions that the DonkeyRat wiretapping scandal is about to blow wide open.
Whistle blowers get in line.
First rat to spill his guts wins.

[johnforbes]

You can read about the FISA requests in articles from the Left-leaning Guardian.

The Left-leaning NY Times, on Inauguration Day, reported on its front page above the fold "Wiretapped Data Used in Inquiry of Trump Aides."

[elklindo69]

Elkin, you aren't a lawyer and haven't worked in town, so you don't recognize the non-denial denial.

No, Obama wouldn't have ordered the wiretap. But Loretta Lynch worked for Obama, and his Administration wiretapped Hollande, Merkel, Abe, as well as journalists such as Atkisson and Rosen.

Trying to pretend wiretapping wasn't common is just a non-starter.

Who intercepted Gen Flynn's phone calls? Where was he calling from?

So what are you alleging now?

That Obama didn't personally give the order to wiretap Trump as Trump alleged? Now you are alleging that Lynch made the order to wiretap...on her own initiative? freelancing?

Now I finally got you to admit Trump is a liar!!!

LMFAO!

[Intrepid]

Elkindoofus, a true believer Useful Idiot of the first rank.

[Intrepid]

I don't think anyone is saying Obozo told anyone directly, "go wiretap Trump."
It's doesn't work that way.
But given Obozo's record of wiretapping and surveying everyone he deals with, I'd say it's almost certain it happened.

And given that transcripts, OFFICIAL transcripts of phone calls involving General Flynn placed from Trump Towers exist, wiretapping DID take place.
Case closed.

[Intrepid]

A current U.S. intelligence official tells NPR's Mary Louise Kelly that there is no evidence of criminal wrongdoing in the transcripts of former national security adviser Michael Flynn's conversations with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, although the official noted that doesn't rule out the possibility of illegal actions.

The official also says that there are recordings as well as transcripts of the calls, and that the transcripts don't suggest Flynn was acting under orders in his conversations.

From that well known conservative outlet NPR.

"Current U.S. intelligence official"-AKA Obozo holdover stooge.
First he says there is no evidence of criminal wrongdoing, then, being the good stooge he is, says he can't rule it out. Then finally admits the evidence, illegally obtained, shows Flynn was not acting under orders.

This is yet another example of Obozo and his minions rushing to damage Trump and in the process shooting themselves in the foot. They were so convinced, by their own controlled media, that Killery was going to win they thought their law breaking would never see the light of day.

These are tense days for Obozo and Valarie Jarrett in the Fuhrerbunker.