Political discussions about everything
#30382
1) Require Senators to filibuster when they filibuster. They must actually and actively engage in discussion of the topic under discussion. The filibuster rule of the Senate WAS intended to allow Senators to engage in discussion without being cut off for political purposes. So let them discuss. Do not let them obstruct. Also, do not allow Senators to individually put a courtesy hold on legislation. Restore democracy.

2) Recognize the that Haster Rule is unconstitutional and undermines democracy. The Speaker of the House must call for a vote when the House members want to vote. Put in a new rule, if 25% of House members vote to vote then they vote. Restore democracy.

3) Fix Congressional district boundaries and eliminate gerrymandering. Put the boundaries in the hands of a computer program.

parameters for congressional district boundaries.

a) The GPS location for the residence of every citizen of the United States. No political, racial, gender, religious, sexual preference, birth place or other information may be used. Just location of residence and population data.
b) State boundaries may not be crossed
d) Agreed upon (by a 3/4 majority) mountain ranges, major rivers and bays, and other impassable geographic features may be used as boundaries where crossing should be avoided
e) Same number of citizens in each congressional district within a state to within +-100 people.
f) Minimize the total length of congressional district boundaries. That is, build the most concentrated and cohesive districts possible.

A computer could fix this problem. Politicians could never do it. Restore democracy.
#30388
Both Repubs and Dems long ago proposed a solution to fund critical parts of the govt and then debate the rest in the time before Oct 1st.

Both rejected it because they want the drama. Look at things today, and it is clear Obama and Reid WANT the govt slowdown because they think it'll be good for them next Nov.

It may well be that Repubs will do worse now in CNN and CBS polls tilted toward liberals, but Repubs are looking at Nov 2014.
#30390
The solution is very easy, it's been in operation for over 200 years, the House and Senate select a handful of members from each chamber who are appointed to serve on a conference committee that attempts to work out a compromise. The end product of the meetings is a conference report containing a compromise bill and a section-by-section explanation of the agreed-upon compromise. Once both the House and Senate agree to the conference report, the measure is sent to the President for approval (or veto).

The problem is the Senate has refused to go through this process, they are saying here are the President's demands pass it! The President is saying there will be no compromise and if the House and Senate does compromise on what he demands he will veto it.
#30392
Senator Cruz refused to let a conference committee resolve the current conflict. Conference committees can not resolve every conflict. In this case and in the cases of at least the past 4 years it's hard to resolve conflict when one side, teabaggers, are bat shit crazy and out to destroy the government and it's people.

As always, drivel from our two troll teabaggers.
#30406
Obama needs to start being President ......maybe even take one for his team to save the country. I think he has forgotten that he's at the helm and is suppose to be running this country.
Obama was just yesterday saying how unjust the Government is and asking citizens help him fight the Government and bring about changes. The asshole doesn't even realize his IS the Government.
#30410
He is the chief administrator. The CEO. Not the government, as the imbedded domestic terrorists in our government prove conclusively. Our government tries to be a democracy, not the autocratic dictatorship teabaggers dream of imposing. There is a great deal wrong with out government, but not enough to empower these teabagger traitors.
#30411
So, not one of these batshit crazy teabaggers want to address the obvious structural and operational disasters that help create this teabagger debacle.

No surprise there since they are really only little bully autocrats. Weak and paranoid.
#30412
The solution is very easy, it's been in operation for over 200 years, the House and Senate select a handful of members from each chamber who are appointed to serve on a conference committee that attempts to work out a compromise. The end product of the meetings is a conference report containing a compromise bill and a section-by-section explanation of the agreed-upon compromise. Once both the House and Senate agree to the conference report, the measure is sent to the President for approval (or veto).

The problem is the Senate has refused to go through this process, they are saying here are the President's demands pass it! The President is saying there will be no compromise and if the House and Senate does compromise on what he demands he will veto it.
#30448
IBID

but to be explicit.

Senator Cruz put a stop to a conference committee.

Then again, negotiating with terrorists, even domestic terrorists, is always a bad idea until they come a small way into sanity and reason. Not to mention the huge portion of obviously delusional bold faced lies being throw out by Republicans at this time in a totally failed attempt to save just a little face.
#30449
Just a matter of noting it, but it is obvious from the responses to this thread that none of our resident malignant delusional crazies have no interest in either democracy or Constitutionality, let alone fair play or respect and concern for the American people.
#30468
Obama and Reid believe that, with CNN and NBC helping them, they can "win" (as a White House staffer said the other day).

However, as Boehner said, this is "not a damn game."

Obama may feel he was reelected to ruin the country with socialized medicine, but House members were elected to stop that or lessen the harm Obamacare does.

In the end, negotiation will occur anyhow.
#30471
Boehner had a streak of genius today. The House unanimously agreed Saturday to provide back pay for hundreds of thousands of furloughed federal workers, but they showed no sign of ending the impasse that has forced much of the government to shut down. Federal workers are among Obama's biggest supporters now whether to pay them or not has been tossed in Obama's lap. :lol:

Reid reacted by saying furloughed workers would be on paid vacation pissing off thousand of federal workers who consider their not getting paid needed money anything but a paid vacation. Talking about putting foot in mouth.
"It's really cruel to tell workers they'll receive back pay once the government opens and then refuse to open the government," Reid said on the Senate floor, suggesting that House Republicans have authorized a "paid vacation" for furloughed workers.
It's going to be fun watching Democrats squirm and whine as their biggest supporters bring down the heat on them.
#30506
It's amazing how Democrats don't want to compromise, negotiate, and how the vilify anyone that does what they've done each time they had control or when they didn't have control. Change the rules because you don't like when the other side does what you do - HA HA HA, what a bunch of panty-waist shit stains.
#30528
Leroy wrote:It's amazing how Democrats don't want to compromise, negotiate, and how the vilify anyone that does what they've done each time they had control or when they didn't have control. Change the rules because you don't like when the other side does what you do - HA HA HA, what a bunch of panty-waist shit stains.
Negotiate what???

The continuing resolution is a bill to allocate capital to government agencies for day to day operations. Not to force "negotiations" on select legislation.

The republicans failed 40 TIMES to overturn Obamacare. Now that plan A FAILED 40 TIMES, they are on plan B, running the economy into the ground by initiating a debt default to fulfill their ideological screed. When baggers SS and Medicare checks bounce, there will be a counter revolution...
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