[tvd]

United Healthcare is pulling out of Obamacare exchanges, citing huge losses in 2015 and 2016.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/19/news/ec ... obamacare/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hopefully, this is the beginning of the end for socialized medicine in the US.
The government has no business being in the healthcare industry.

[Clownkicker]

Who wants to bet that every last person on this board is going to sign up for Medicare when they retire?

Heck, tvd probably goes to a VA hospital for his government-paid medical care.


"Keep your government hands off my healthcare!" right, tvd? :lol:

[tvd]

No, I am not a veteran. I was never in the service. So now there's another lie that you just made up and you will fly with it as if it was the truth.

The thread is about the destruction of Obamacare, not whether or not I am getting government paid Healthcare. Why did you play the distraction card?

The truth of the matter is that Obamacare does not work. Premiums are up, people that should sign up have not and all it has done is add a few million people to the tax load.

Ask any health care professional you run across, any one of them, hospitals, your private physician , nurses, anybody, and they will all say Obamacare does not work.

[RealJustme]

Obamacare is the most fraudulent government program ever. How much if any a person has to pay is based upon how much they "declare" they make. That amount is on the honor system, in fact Obamacare makes it clear to applicants the government will not take any steps to verify the income they report. They did this to get the number of people dependent on Obamacare up, they don't care that tax payers are paying billions based upon fabricated incomes. There there's the insane operating costs of Obamacare websites and those running Obamacare, just as the VA has nearly triple the operating cost for a hospital than those run privately.

[tvd]

Oh and by the way you are correct. When I am old enough to qualify for Medicare I will sign up. Do you know why? Because I paid into the system for 35 years that's why.
And I will draw Social Security too , why? Because I paid into the system for 35 years that's why.

The millions added to tax burden of paying their medical care have not paid into the system.
It is a free lunch for them. Get the fuck a job, and start living like a responsible person.

[johnforbes]

I could go today and enter the VA system, but as a person with no service-connected problem (or indeed any problem) I would be in a very different tier than some WW II vet who is 90 with a war-related problem.

And that is as it should be.

But why would a person with any alternative enter the VA database and get low quality care from mostly foreign-trained physicians?

As to Obamacare, it was fatally flawed from the outset.

As Professor Gruber admitted, it was rammed through by means of deliberate lies.

They all knew you could not keep your doc, not keep your plan.

They knew it would not lower costs, but inevitably increase them.

They knew it would require organizations which had good consciences reservations about abortion and contraception to violence their conscience.

But they didn't care because liberals cannot stand other opinions.

So the mess of Obamacare was rammed through on a series of lies.

So now look at it, with narrow networks, skyrocketing costs, and even a very dishonest Supreme Court ruling pretending it was a tax when everybody on the planet -- including Obama -- specifically stated it was not a tax.

[Clownkicker]

"The thread is about the destruction of Obamacare,..."-tvd

No, apparently this thread is not about the destruction of Obamacare if you are any indication, tvd.
Here are your only initial comments on the article you linked:

"Hopefully, this is the beginning of the end for socialized medicine in the US.
The government has no business being in the healthcare industry."

You'll have to forgive me for thinking your comments were related in some way to the topic you posted.
Apparently you thought this is the beginning of the end of socialized medicine in the U.S. and that the government has no business being in the healthcare industry. Or did I misunderstand you?
It is not a "distraction" to respond to your only discussion points in your own post, dimwit.
Or are you saying your own comments were a distraction? I guess I could believe that.:lol:

"The government has no business being in the healthcare industry."-tvd
"Oh and by the way you are correct. When I am old enough to qualify for Medicare I will sign up. Do you know why? Because I paid into the system for 35 years that's why."-tvd

So now you are fine with socialized medicine and government being involved in the healthcare industry. That's what I thought.
Do you want to withdraw you two initial comments?
What's unbelievable is that you are so indignant about socialized healthcare and then say with a straight face that you are signing on to socialized healthcare because you believe you deserve it.
"Keep your government hands off my Medicare!"-tvdimwit :lol:

[johnforbes]

I could go today and enter the VA system, but as a person with no service-connected problem (or indeed any problem) I would be in a very different tier than some WW II vet who is 90 with a war-related problem.

And that is as it should be.

But why would a person with any alternative enter the VA database and get low quality care from mostly foreign-trained physicians?

As to Obamacare, it was fatally flawed from the outset.

As Professor Gruber admitted, it was rammed through by means of deliberate lies.

They all knew you could not keep your doc, not keep your plan.

They knew it would not lower costs, but inevitably increase them.

They knew it would require organizations which had good consciences reservations about abortion and contraception to violence their conscience.

But they didn't care because liberals cannot stand other opinions.

So the mess of Obamacare was rammed through on a series of lies.

So now look at it, with narrow networks, skyrocketing costs, and even a very dishonest Supreme Court ruling pretending it was a tax when everybody on the planet -- including Obama -- specifically stated it was not a tax.

[Clownkicker]

^^^^^johnforbes makes another futile copy-and-paste Sissy-fuss.

Keep pushing that boulder over and over, johnny.
After all, it's easier than actually thinking, right? :lol:

[sillydaddy]

Socialized medicine would work here too....if the doctors were willing to settle for a set monthly salary,

and hospitals were willing to operate on a government set yearly budget.

[tvd]

No silly, it would not...because the government will waste what is given to them to administer the shit plan.

Clown...I said what I meant. I don't give a fuck if you want to play word games.

Obamacare is socialized medicine, and it needs to be gone. Medicare and SS Retirement is for elderly, to help with their costs in retirement. They paid into the system. I said that. Involuntarily payment into a fucked up government system. The government does not need to be in the healthcare business. Period. "Healthcare business" is defined by ME, you motherfucker, as providing healthcare for the whole country. Everyone. That is what Obamacare is attempting to accomplish. Everything the government touches fucks up.

The ppl that were added as a result of Obamacare have not paid into the system. Period.

Play your silly ass word games, turn it around all you want. But you are a twisted motherfucker, who lives to generate controversy, you get glee from it, and therefore you are a sociopath.

I have NO regard for your ideas, and I reject completely whatever you say, or whatever you are going to say.

So get off my thread.

[Clownkicker]

""Healthcare business" is defined by ME, you motherfucker, as providing healthcare for the whole country. Everyone."-tvdimwit

No, it isn't, you moron.
You don't get to just make up stupid shit to suit yourself that contradicts the meaning of the English language as defined in dozens of authoritative dictionaries.
If you can find us one dictionary that agrees with your idiotic definition, then maybe you have an argument.
But you won't because you can't.
You're just playing the very sillyass word game you accuse me of playing. Classic projection.
It's like something RealTool would make up.

"Obamacare is socialized medicine,..."-tvmoron

No, it isn't, you imbecile.
"Obamacare" doesn't perform a single medical exam, perform a single medical procedure, nor prescribe a single drug.
The government didn't take over any medical practice or hospital.
"Obamacare" is socialized insurance, not medicine.

You're making up stupid shit because you can't admit that Medicare is socialized healthcare. It is a government owned and run system of reimbursement for people's medical care.

"I have NO regard for your ideas, and I reject completely whatever you say, or whatever you are going to say."-tvdunderhead

Of course you do, dummy, because you haven't got a rational thing to say about any of this, so you simply reject reason outright, whine impotently, and walk away, as always.
You're the poster boy of the Right; astounding ignorance and denial incarnate.

[johnforbes]

I could go today and enter the VA system, but as a person with no service-connected problem (or indeed any problem) I would be in a very different tier than some WW II vet who is 90 with a war-related problem.

And that is as it should be.

But why would a person with any alternative enter the VA database and get low quality care from mostly foreign-trained physicians?

As to Obamacare, it was fatally flawed from the outset.

As Professor Gruber admitted, it was rammed through by means of deliberate lies.

They all knew you could not keep your doc, not keep your plan.

They knew it would not lower costs, but inevitably increase them.

They knew it would require organizations which had good consciences reservations about abortion and contraception to violence their conscience.

But they didn't care because liberals cannot stand other opinions.

So the mess of Obamacare was rammed through on a series of lies.

So now look at it, with narrow networks, skyrocketing costs, and even a very dishonest Supreme Court ruling pretending it was a tax when everybody on the planet -- including Obama -- specifically stated it was not a tax.

[elklindo69]

I could go today and enter the VA system, but as a person with no service-connected problem (or indeed any problem) I would be in a very different tier than some WW II vet who is 90 with a war-related problem.

And that is as it should be.

But why would a person with any alternative enter the VA database and get low quality care from mostly foreign-trained physicians?

As to Obamacare, it was fatally flawed from the outset.

As Professor Gruber admitted, it was rammed through by means of deliberate lies.

They all knew you could not keep your doc, not keep your plan.

They knew it would not lower costs, but inevitably increase them.

They knew it would require organizations which had good consciences reservations about abortion and contraception to violence their conscience.

But they didn't care because liberals cannot stand other opinions.

So the mess of Obamacare was rammed through on a series of lies.

So now look at it, with narrow networks, skyrocketing costs, and even a very dishonest Supreme Court ruling pretending it was a tax when everybody on the planet -- including Obama -- specifically stated it was not a tax.

You're sooooo full of shit!!!!!!!!1

[johnforbes]

Actually, is it young master Elkin who is full of it.

I could go today and enter the VA system, but as a person with no service-connected problem (or indeed any problem) I would be in a very different tier than some WW II vet who is 90 with a war-related problem.

And that is as it should be.

But why would a person with any alternative enter the VA database and get low quality care from mostly foreign-trained physicians?

As to Obamacare, it was fatally flawed from the outset.

As Professor Gruber admitted, it was rammed through by means of deliberate lies.

They all knew you could not keep your doc, not keep your plan.

They knew it would not lower costs, but inevitably increase them.

They knew it would require organizations which had good consciences reservations about abortion and contraception to violence their conscience.

But they didn't care because liberals cannot stand other opinions.

So the mess of Obamacare was rammed through on a series of lies.

So now look at it, with narrow networks, skyrocketing costs, and even a very dishonest Supreme Court ruling pretending it was a tax when everybody on the planet -- including Obama -- specifically stated it was not a tax.