[johnforbes]

Iraq, Afghanistan, Benghazi, N Korea, China, Russia/Ukraine, Somalia, Yemen, Nigeria, Syria, the US southern border...

[RealJustme]

Plus look at what he's done to our borders. What he has done is doubled the number of security agents on him and his family and locked down the White House while transporting criminals to our cities on our tax dime.

[johnforbes]

It really is unprecedented if you look at the sheer quantity of national security failures under Obama and Hillary.

China belligerent, North Korea, the problems in Nigeria, in Somalia, in Libya, in Yemen, in Iraq, Afghanistan, the relationship with Israel, the list goes on an on.

And, in the international news, terrorists who hate the U.S. can read that America's southern border is open. Anybody who can pay $100 for a jet ski ride across the Rio Grande can enter America.

These are shocking national security failures.

[RealJustme]

Obama: Law professor that never taught a class, lawyer that never had a client, president of Harvard Law Review that never wrote ONE article, what did we expect?

[Grog]

Ah, the ruffle of taffeta and the preening prance of typing with a discernible lisp of effete and effeminate effrontery can only mean Forbes is in the house once again seeking out JustFreedManMe's minuscule scepter to validate their co-rule of the clueless conservative cadre.

[johnforbes]

It really is unprecedented if you look at the sheer quantity of national security failures under Obama and Hillary.

China belligerent, North Korea, the problems in Nigeria, in Somalia, in Libya, in Yemen, in Iraq, Afghanistan, the relationship with Israel, the list goes on an on.

And, in the international news, terrorists who hate the U.S. can read that America's southern border is open. Anybody who can pay $100 for a jet ski ride across the Rio Grande can enter America.

These are shocking national security failures.

[Grog]

What is NOT shocking is the ruffle of taffeta and the preening prance of typing with a discernible lisp of effete and effeminate effrontery can only mean Forbes is in the house once again seeking out JustFreedManMe's minuscule scepter to validate their co-rule of the clueless conservative cadre.

[RealJustme]

Obama made a speech today where he touched on what America is doing on out of control events around the world, afterwards even CNN said Obama should have seen all this coming since he's fueled the events now happening around the world.

[Grog]

Ah, the ruffle of taffeta and the preening prance of typing with a discernible lisp of effete and effeminate effrontery can only mean Forbes is in the house once again seeking out JustFreedManMe's minuscule scepter to validate their co-rule of the clueless conservative cadre.

[johnforbes]

It really is unprecedented if you look at the sheer quantity of national security failures under Obama and Hillary.

China belligerent, North Korea, the problems in Nigeria, in Somalia, in Libya, in Yemen, in Iraq, Afghanistan, the relationship with Israel, the list goes on an on.

And, in the international news, terrorists who hate the U.S. can read that America's southern border is open. Anybody who can pay $100 for a jet ski ride across the Rio Grande can enter America.

These are shocking national security failures.

[Grog]

Ah, the ruffle of taffeta and the preening prance of typing with a discernible lisp of effete and effeminate effrontery can only mean Forbes is in the house once again seeking out JustFreedManMe's minuscule scepter to validate their co-rule of the clueless conservative cadre.

[johnforbes]

It really is unprecedented if you look at the sheer quantity of national security failures under Obama and Hillary.

China belligerent, North Korea, the problems in Nigeria, in Somalia, in Libya, in Yemen, in Iraq, Afghanistan, the relationship with Israel, the list goes on an on.

And, in the international news, terrorists who hate the U.S. can read that America's southern border is open. Anybody who can pay $100 for a jet ski ride across the Rio Grande can enter America.

These are shocking national security failures.

[sillydaddy]

And Obama said Trayvon Martin could have been his son....how fucked up is that?
I bet grog thinks Obama is his daddy too.

[snakeoil]

Iraq, Afghanistan, Benghazi, N Korea, China, Russia/Ukraine, Somalia, Yemen, Nigeria, Syria, the US southern border...

Let's see now:

1.Afghanistan It seems to me that Bush !! went into Afghanistan with tons of dollars and tried to buy off the war lords. (Not a very good tactic. Bought firends are not loyal friends.) Since we went into there to get bin laden, Clinton should share some of the blame for refusing to pick him up when Somalia offered to hand him over.

2. Benghazi. I seem to remember that two low level State wonks were respomsible for that ( the lack of security.).

3. N. Korea. I would have to place some of the blame on Eisenhower for that for not nailing down N. Korea.

4. China. I seem to remember that Nixon opened China to American technology. He even gifted 4 radar sites to China to show his good will.

5. Russia/Ukraine. that is a mess that we had little to do with. After The USSR imploded everyone went their separate ways and now that mess is trying to sort itself out. I'm sure that staying out of that mess is the right thing to do.

7. Somalia. After the europeans left Africa there were few educated people to take over the governments. Now we are reaping the whirlwind.

8. Yemen. Read up on what happened to the Arab world in 1918.

9. Syria. See above.

10. The Southern US border. illegals have been crossing the border ever since we annexed the Western states from Mexico. Congress usually looked the other way or just cried shame on those pesky illegals because we needed the crops picked with cheap labor. How come almost every border in the world is pretty secure except that one?

[RealJustme]

Snakeoil, not even far left liberals are attempting your arguments to try and reflect Obama's responsibility on those items. Obama owns it, he "built" those, he needs to change course and try and fix some of it.

[johnforbes]

Last week, with tens of thousands of illegal kids flooding in (and taxpayers paying upwards of 1k per day per kid), Obama said he wouldn't look at the border because he didn't like photo ops.

Then he did days of photo ops.

Today, with the Israel response and the plane crash, and all hell breaking loose around the world, Obama is back at "work" in NY at a $32,000 per person fundraiser.

[johnforbes]

As to the security at Benghazi, a brain-dead child could have realized that security would be an issue there on the anniversary of 9/11.

Then came lies from Hillary, Rice, and Obama.

[Grog]

Ah, the ruffle of taffeta and the preening prance of typing with a discernible lisp of effete and effeminate effrontery can only mean Forbes is in the house once again seeking out JustFreedManMe's minuscule scepter to validate their co-rule of the clueless conservative cadre.*









*Only 14,385 more to go!

[sillydaddy]

Eisenhower??? Really snake !

Obama promised to fix it if you made him President.
You gave him a second term....still nothing.
This country is in worst shape now.
Blaming dead Presidents for Obama incompetence is a very weak argument.

[snakeoil]

"Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it." A study of America's foreign policy history will find many instances of failed or even policies that had tragic consequences. Our foreign policy in the past has usually been "to further America's interests." (Read "to further America's business interests.") We overturned Latin American governments for The United Fruit Company and other corporations. We overturned governments that would not allow American businesses to operate freely. Even the embargo of Cuba originally had it's roots in the Cuban takeover of Texaco and a few other industries Cuba considered essential to it's survival. Our present troubles in Iraq are mainly because of our ignorance of history in the area.

In 661 the Rashidun (anointed one) named Ali who succeeded Muhammed was assassinated. Ali suuporters considered Ali to be the legitimate successor to Muhammed. Muawiyya was selected to succeed Ali. Ali's son, Hussein, thought that he was the rightful successor. Hussein was defeated and his supporters continued to revere him and practice Islam as he taught. Hussein's supporters are now called Shia and collectively they are Shiite. Shiites comprise about 15% of the Islamic world with the Sunni sect comprising about 85%. The majority of Iraq was Sunni and Iran was mainly Shiite. In any discussion of Islam it is wise to remember that Islam is both a religious and political philosophy.

Now comes the USA. We invade Iraq and install a Shiite government that shuts the Sunni out of politics and makes it hard for Sunnis to open businesses, get a job, hold political office, etc. Now, Iraq is best buddies with Iraq because Iraq is Shia ruled and Iran has an interest in keeping it that way. Much of our problem with Iraq's insurgency has been because of this Sunni/Shiite dispute, although we rarely hear of this from the media.

Many times we ignore the true facts of the areas the we are involved in. In Afghanistan a huge percentage of Afghans hate the Taliban but they still fight with them just becuase we are there in their country, trying to impose our values on them and we are supporting a corrupt government.

I am not an apologist for Islam, I studied the world's religions in college and I comtinue studying religious history today.

[johnforbes]

In terms of waging total war, one society against another, the U.S. has not even attempted to win a war since 1944-45.

Although there was bipartisan agreement that Saddam had WMDs, and Kerry and Hilly concurred with the use of force, I would not have invaded Iraq because America had not the slightest intention of winning there.

With both Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. went in very light, preferring to lean on presumptive local support and airpower and "training up" local forces. Not surprisingly, that didn't work all that well, took a decade, and cost a ton of money.

But, as always in foreign policy, we are where we are. The goal of a "leader" is to take whatever situation you have and make it better.

Obama sought the presidency for two years. He made many grandiose claims about what he would do. But the fact remains that America knows little about him.

What was Obama's SAT score? LSAT? What courses did he take? All these things are hidden in total secrecy, and we know politicians reveal anything which will shed credit on them.

Looking at almost any area -- Syria, Benghazi, Israel, Russia/Ukraine, Nigeria, the list goes on -- Obama and Hillary have done an absolutely horrible job.

[RealJustme]

Although there was bipartisan agreement that Saddam had WMDs, and Kerry and Hilly concurred with the use of force, I would not have invaded Iraq because America had not the slightest intention of winning there.

Bush's biggest mistake was trusting Clinton's intelligence on Iraq and not replacing all of Clinton's old staff who pushed Bush to attack Iraq. Even Hillary said Saddam must be removed before he uses his WMD on more innocent families as he done killing 100's of thousands of Kurds. Bush was naïve listening to the Democrat war hawks but once the Democrats in the House and Senate ordered the war there was nothing Bush could do but follow the law. Expect a book by Bush titled "Democrats took us to war in Iraq"

[Clownkicker]

^^^^^^That is by far the worst case of ignorant revisionist history I've read on this board, or in 10 years anywhere for that matter.

[snakeoil]

Justme's history books are cataloged as fiction.

[snakeoil]

List of us wars since 1945?

For the US: Korean War (1950-1953); Vietnam War (1961-1975): 1. Operation Urgent Fury-Grenada (1983) 2. Operation Just Cause-Panama (1989) 3. Operaton Desert Storm-Iraq (January and Febuary 1991) 4. Operation Restore Hope-Somalia (1993) 5. Operations in Europe-Bosnia (1990's) 6. Operation Enduring Freedom-Afghanistan (2001-present) 7. Operation Iraqi Freedom-Iraq (2003-present) List of us wars since 1945?

Rome/USA

1a. Endless costly and unwinable wars over much of the known world depleted the moral and treasury of Rome.
1b. For many of the wars the US has fought since 1945, particularely the last two, we have either borrowed the money to wage those wars or we put needed programs on the back burner.

2a. It is estimated that Rome population included about 35% slaves. These slaves had little or no stake in whether Rome won or lost those wars.
2b. About 1 in 27 of the current US population are illegal immigrants and their loyalty is in doubt.

[elklindo69]

Iraq, Afghanistan, Benghazi, N Korea, China, Russia/Ukraine, Somalia, Yemen, Nigeria, Syria, the US southern border...

Yeah...

Obama sold the Iraq war.................

:shock:

[RealJustme]

Yeah...

Obama sold the Iraq war.................

No Bubba and his staff did, followed by Democrats in the House and Senate with a declaration of war, Bush followed the law they passed and led our military into a successful defeat of Iraq, Obama then came in and lost the war we had won.

[Grog]

JustFreedManMe continues to idolize the manly Putin. How long before the ruffle of taffeta and the preening prance of typing with a discernible lisp of effete and effeminate effrontery can only mean Forbes is in the house once again seeking out JustFreedManMe's minuscule scepter to validate their co-rule of the clueless conservative cadre. Hopefully Forbes won't get his satin slippers too dirty as he rounds the bases and heads for JustFreedManMe's nappy dugout.

[Clownkicker]

"...followed by Democrats in the House and Senate with a declaration of war,..."-RealTool

There was never a declaration of war by the Democrats in the House and Senate, dimwit.
You're rewriting history again so that you can live with the stinking pile of shit the Republicans left you holding.

Now you're going to go with "Bush was a Democrat dupe"?
You seem to be forgetting a couple guys by the name of Rumsfeld and Cheney. They were just a couple more dupes doing the Democrats' bidding, I suppose?

And you're saying Obama is the worst President ever? After you say Bush was so dumb and suggestible and malleable that the Democrats controlled him to the point of fooling him into war? And the Republicans in Congress just sat back quietly and let them? :lol:
Now that would have to be the worst President ever: the one who was controlled by the opposition party and the Congress.

[RealJustme]

Bill Clinton speaks on Iraq's proven WMD and need for invasion.

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[RealJustme]

Pelosi, Reid and other Democrats tell America Iraq has WMD and must be stopped before he uses them on the United States.

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Now don't both of you liberals still posting on this board feel silly?

[RealJustme]

One more piss on liberals who claim Democrats didn't push the war on Iraq

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[Clownkicker]

"Bill Clinton speaks on Iraq's proven WMD and need for invasion."-RealTool

You need to listen to your videos before you make claims about them, dimwit.
In the Clinton video he says a diplomatic solution is the way to go and that the weapons inspections should be continued to control Saddam. He didn't say a word about a "need for invasion."
He said just the opposite of what you claim he said.
And the WMDs were "weapons programs"- not weapons- except for the WMDs we sold to him that everyone already knew about.

Your video claiming to show Democrats "pushing for war" only reveals your simple mind.
A bunch of politicians saying a guy needs to be controlled does not mean that war is the only option.
Not a one of those Democrats said anything about sending in troops instead of using the weapons inspections and diplomacy.
You only think they said it.
Listen to you video again and then provide a quotation or three of Democrats actually calling for war.
You can't do it.
And if you can't do it, you must admit you were fooled by your handlers again.

I can't even bother to waste time listening to your third propaganda piece.
They're just too predictable, stupid, and boring.
Only the dimwitted could find them interesting or convincing.
That's why you always fall for them.

Now, are you going to insist that W.Bush was a Democrat dupe all along? That he was just a tool all his time in office?
That he never wanted to go to war but, being a helpless simpleton, was hornswoggled by those crafty Democrats?
And that Rumsfeld and Cheney were also simply suckered in by Democrats in Congress?
That's what you're going with? :lol:

[RealJustme]

That's Clinton beating the war drums in front of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Pentagon staff concerning the need to deny Saddam Hussein of weapons of mass destruction and for them to prepare to do so. Bush wasn't even in office when President Clinton said he has clear and convincing evidence Iraq has WMD and is developing more that could be provided to terrorist to kill Americans.

I gave you proof, Clinton, Kerry, Pelosi and Reid were all claiming Iraq had WMD and MUST be stopped and our troops must be sent in.

Bush inherited the Iraqi mess, his biggest mistake was believing President Clinton who told the American public he has clear and convincing evidence Iraq has a massive WMD program and will use it against the United States.

Every time a liberals tries to claim Bush made up the WMD to attack Iraq I have them listen to President Clinton beating the war drums about Iraq's WMDs, many libs think that the clip is fabricated and Clinton never said it others get a confounded look on their face and don't know what to say so they switch the subject, then you have those in denial like Clown who says Clinton was talking about peace in the clip and made no mention of Iraq having WMD.

Exactly why liberals have no credibility, they filter facts through rainbows to come up what they want it to be.

[Clownkicker]

Geezus, RealTool, listen to your own 'proof'.

Play the Clinton video at 4:22 and listen to him call for a diplomatic solution, you stupid fuck.
It's your own 'evidence', not mine.

And if you're going to say W. Bush "inherited" the Iraq mess from Clinton, then you also have to say that Clinton inherited it from Republican H.W. Bush. It's still a Republican mess no matter how you try to point the finger elsewhere.

"Bush inherited the Iraqi mess, his biggest mistake was believing President Clinton..."-RealTool

^^^^^So again, you're going with "Bush was a Democrat dupe." :lol:
Bush couldn't look at the intel from around the world before he invaded, right?
It had nothing to do with Bush listening to his buddy Blair, right?
He was fooled by those clever Democrats.
You must be embarrassed by having elected such a weak-minded fool like W. to be President..

[RealJustme]

Exactly why liberals have no credibility, they filter facts through rainbows to come up what they want it to be.

[Clownkicker]

^^^^^Like johnforbes, RealTool says I'm wrong but he can't actually point to what is supposed to be wrong about it, while his own 'evidence' contradicts him.

Then, his position, which he's too chickenshit to just come out and say, is that W Bush was a Democrat dupe while in office.
All you reactionaries are intellectually impotent.

[sillydaddy]

Play the Clinton video at 4:22 and listen to him call for a diplomatic solution

At the time, the last thing Clinton wanted was a diplomatic solution to Iraq . In that speech he doesn't mention it until the very end, almost as a after thought. Don't forget that he was fighting for his political life in those months, he was looking at impeachment. He needed something to distract Congress and the Nation away from what was happening to him in Washington. The Demos also needed and excuse to stop the possible impeachment.

[RealJustme]

The clown is also ignoring that Clinton told the world he had positive proof that Saddam had WMD and was developing more and that he would use them against the United States or provide them to terrorists if he wasn't stopped. Bush was just a Governor, not even in Congress when that announcement was made. So the lies started with Clinton and his Democratic controlled Congress, Bush shouldn't have trusted them.

[elklindo69]

Play the Clinton video at 4:22 and listen to him call for a diplomatic solution

At the time, the last thing Clinton wanted was a diplomatic solution to Iraq . In that speech he doesn't mention it until the very end, almost as a after thought. Don't forget that he was fighting for his political life in those months, he was looking at impeachment. He needed something to distract Congress and the Nation away from what was happening to him in Washington. The Demos also needed and excuse to stop the possible impeachment.

BULLSHIT!!!

UN weapons inspectors found no WMDs. Bush ignored the results and invaded anyway.

[elklindo69]

The clown is also ignoring that Clinton told the world he had positive proof that Saddam had WMD and was developing more and that he would use them against the United States or provide them to terrorists if he wasn't stopped. Bush was just a Governor, not even in Congress when that announcement was made. So the lies started with Clinton and his Democratic controlled Congress, Bush shouldn't have trusted them.

BULLSHIT!!!

[RealJustme]

UN weapons inspectors found no WMDs. Bush ignored the results and invaded anyway.

How can they not find weapons that President Clinton, Reid, Kerry and Pelosi told us without a doubt Saddam had them and would use them unless he was stopped? Plus Iraq did exactly what Iran is now doing, you may search this compound but that compound is off limits to inspectors, you have to trust us. Elk is filtering facts through rainbows to come up with his arguments.

[johnforbes]

Young master Elkin, Obama did NOT sell the Iraq war.

However, even a liberal kid ought to know that Obama has been president a long time.

Obama claimed to know how to leave Iraq, but instead to failed to heed the generals and the entire country may well be lost now due to Obama's unique combination of hubris and ignorance.

[Grog]

JustFreedManMe continues to idolize the manly Putin. How long before the ruffle of taffeta and the preening prance of typing with a discernible lisp of effete and effeminate effrontery can only mean Forbes is in the house once again seeking out JustFreedManMe's minuscule scepter to validate their co-rule of the clueless conservative cadre. Hopefully Forbes won't get his satin slippers too dirty as he rounds the bases and heads for JustFreedManMe's nappy dugout.

[Clownkicker]

"At the time, the last thing Clinton wanted was a diplomatic solution to Iraq ."-sillydope

And yet, over the next two years Clinton didn't invade, did he, so your comment does nothing to argue for RealTool's moronic thesis that Clinton was "beating the war drums".

"Obama claimed to know how to leave Iraq, but instead to failed to heed the generals and the entire country may well be lost now due to Obama's unique combination of hubris and ignorance."-johnforbes

johnny chooses to ignore that W. Bush, before leaving office, had already made agreements with Iraq for the U.S. to withdraw without leaving any troops there, tying Obama's hands, so instead of criticizing Obama, johnny's really criticizing Bush for his stupid agreement. At least that's something we can all agree on, apparently.
Also, johnny had the opportunity to tell RealTool how wrong he is on this moronic idea that Bush was duped by the Democrats, but he couldn't be bothered and instead criticized elklindo about something entirely irrelevant and just plain wrong as well.

"The clown is also ignoring that Clinton told the world he had positive proof that Saddam had WMD and was developing more and that he would use them against the United States or provide them to terrorists if he wasn't stopped."-RealTool

I'm ignoring nothing, dimwit. You're ignoring nearly everything factual.
What Clinton said five years before Bush invaded wasn't relevant any longer. Things had changed, you idiot. (Though what Clinton said was that Saddam had PROGRAMS to build weapons, not actual weapons yet. The only WMDs that we knew Saddam had were the ones we sold him. So yes, Clinton had proof of those weapons (which were never a threat to us) because we had the receipts from when Reagan and Rumsfeld sold them to Saddam.)
But you're claiming W. was duped because he went to war with five to ten year old intel. (That is, the things Clinton and Pelosi had said in the 90s) That makes you indisputably stupid.

You clowns need to get a clue or six.
W. KNEW there were no more WMDs in Iraq in 2003. One week before the invasion the lead U.S. weapons inspector went on the radio and told all of us that his report, which was due out in two weeks, was going to say that there were no WMDs in Iraq any longer. If I knew this the week before the invasion, then W. knew it too.
The weapons inspections and Clinton's agreements with Saddam to get rid of them had worked.
What happened was W. saw that in two weeks his excuse to invade would officially be gone, so he invaded one week later.

That should piss off all of you, regardless of party, but you reactionaries are just too dishonest and partisan to understand it.

[johnforbes]

It isn't a matter of Bush Jr making an agreement.

Obama spent 2 years running for the White House and 5 years in it.

Obama promised, over and over, a new start. Hillary even got a plastic restart button at Staples and posed for photos with it and Russian officials.

Yet, all over the world -- from Ukraine to Nigeria to Iraq to Syria -- there is one mess after another, marking Obama as the worst national security president ever.

Why wouldn't a terrorist simply pay $100 to take a jet ski across the Rio Grande?

[Intrepid]

Once again it becomes necessary to grab Lucky by the cute little stoner ponytail above his emaciated drug addict pencil neck and slam him face first into the cold iron anvil of the Painful Truth.

From CNN no less:

(CNN) -- Here's a look at what you need to know about U.N. weapons inspections in Iraq from 1991 to 2007.

Facts:
At the end of the 1990-1991 Persian Gulf War, the U.N. passed Security Council Resolution 687 setting the terms for the cease-fire between Iraq and the U.S-led coalition. Section C of the resolution called for the elimination of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and some ballistic missiles and established the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM).

Timeline:
April 3, 1991 - The U.N. passes Security Council Resolution 687.

April 6, 1991 - Iraq accepts SCR 687.

April 18, 1991 - Under the terms of SCR 687, Iraq gives a detailed account of its weapons inventory and denies it has a biological weapons program.

June 9, 1991 - UNSCOM begins its first inspection looking for chemical weapons.

June 17, 1991 - The U.N. Security Council passes SCR 699, which reaffirms the authority of UNSCOM and the IAEA to conduct inspections in Iraq.

June 23-28, 1991 - Iraqis fire warning shots at inspectors to prevent them from intercepting vehicles suspected of carrying nuclear equipment.

June 30, 1991 - UNSCOM begins its first missile inspection.

August 2, 1991 - Iraq admits to biological weapons research for "defensive purposes" only.

August 15, 1991 - The Security Council passes SCR 707, demanding that Iraq completely reveal all of its prohibited weapons and weapons programs.

September 6, 1991 - Iraq blocks the use of helicopters by UNSCOM teams.

September 21-30, 1991 - IAEA inspectors discover documents relating to Iraq's nuclear weapons program. Iraqi officials prevent the inspectors from leaving the site for four days.

October 11, 1991 - The U.N. passes SCR 715. It outlines the plans for ongoing monitoring and verification in Iraq. In response, Iraq says that SCR 715 is unlawful and that it's not ready to comply.

March 19, 1992 - Iraq declares that it once possessed 89 missiles and chemical weapons, but destroyed them in the summer of 1991. This unilateral destruction of weapons is a violation of SCR 687.

June 1992 - Iraq delivers its first "Full, Final and Complete Disclosure" on its chemical weapons programs.

July 1992 - UNSCOM destroys some Iraqi chemical weapons and production facilities.

July 6-29, 1992 - Inspectors are prevented from searching the Ministry of Agriculture by Iraqi officials. They stage a 17 day sit-in.

July 5, 1993 - UNSCOM leaves Iraq.

November 26, 1993 - Iraq accepts the terms of SCR 715.

June 1994 - UNSCOM destroys material and equipment relating to chemical weapons production.

October 15, 1994 - SCR 949 passes. The resolution demands that Iraq begin cooperating with UNSCOM and withdraw its troops massed on the border with Kuwait.

March 1995 - Iraq releases its second "Full, Final and Complete Disclosure" of biological and chemical weapons programs.

April 14, 1995 - SCR 986 passes. The resolution allows Iraq to begin exporting oil in exchange for food and medicine.

July 1, 1995 - Iraq admits the existence of its biological weapons program.

August 1995 - Iraq releases the third "Full, Final and Complete Disclosure" relating to its biological weapons programs.

November 1995 - Iraq delivers its second disclosure report on its missile programs.

December 16, 1995 - UNSCOM has the Tigris River near Baghdad searched. They uncover over 200 missile parts, believed to have originated in Russia.

May 1996 - Al-Hakam, a facility used for the production of biological weapons agents, is destroyed.

June 1996 - Iraq releases a revised third "Full, Final and Complete Disclosure" on its biological weapons programs.

September 25, 1997 - During an inspection of a food laboratory, inspectors seize suspicious documents concerning bacteria and chemicals. The documents originate from the Iraqi Special Security Office. UNSCOM is prevented from inspecting SSO's headquarters.

August 5, 1998 - Iraq decides to suspend cooperation with UNSCOM until its demands for an end to the embargo and a reorganization of UNSCOM are met.

September 9, 1998 - The U.N. Security Council passes SCR 1194, condemning Iraq's lack of cooperation.

October 31, 1998 - Iraq stops all UNSCOM inspections.

November 18, 1998 - Inspectors return to Iraq.

December 1, 1998 - Iraq halts cooperation with inspectors.

December 15, 1998 - Chief weapons inspector Richard Butler delivers a report to the U.N. Security Council which details Iraq's lack of cooperation on inspections.

December 16, 1998 - Weapons inspectors leave Iraq.

December 17, 1998 - U.S. and British forces launch air strikes against Iraq. Operation Desert Fox lasts for four days.

January 8, 1999 - The U.S. admits that U.N. weapons inspectors installed surveillance equipment used to spy on Saddam Hussein.

December 17, 1999 - Security Council Resolution 1284 replaces UNSCOM with UNMOVIC.

January 29, 2002 - U.S. President George W. Bush labels Iraq part of an "axis of evil" in his State of the Union speech.

September 16, 2002 - Iraq agrees unconditionally to the return of inspectors.

September 19, 2002 - Iraqi Foreign Minister Naji Sabri delivers a letter to the U.N. from Saddam Hussein stating that Iraq has no chemical, nuclear or biological weapons.

October 1, 2002 - The U.N. and Iraq agree on terms they say are consistent with existing U.N. resolutions. The U.S. threatens to veto unless a U.S. resolution is approved that would allow military action for non-compliance by Iraq.

November 8, 2002 - The U.N. Security Council passes Resolution 1441.

November 13, 2002 - Iraq delivers a letter to UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, accepting the terms set forth in resolution 1441.

November 27, 2002 - Inspections resume in Iraq.

December 7, 2002 - Iraq submits a 12,000 page report on its WMD programs.

January 16, 2003 - Inspectors discover 12 chemical warheads, 11 of them empty, at the Ukhaider ammunition storage area.

January 20, 2003 - After two days of negotiation, Hans Blix, Mohamed ElBaradei, and Iraqi officials reach an agreement about Iraqi cooperation and concessions regarding the inspections.

February 5, 2003 - Secretary of State Colin Powell briefs the U.N. Security Council on inspections. He presents evidence that the U.S. says proves Iraq has misled inspectors and hid proscribed weapons and equipment.

Given Iraq's track record involving WMDs, a reasonable person (but obviously not a drug addict junkie pothead stoner Marxist POS) could conclude that because Iraq strongly resisted inspections and even shot at inspectors, something Iraq didn't want anyone to see must be there. There is also satellite imagery of trucks entering Syria in the days immediately prior to the launching of the U.S. led attacks (See the imagery here:http://www.worldtribune.com/2012/12/07/ ... and-after/ Lucky, not being able to refute the facts will attack the source, a standard libtard tactic). Only a drug addled, junkie pothead stoner Marxist POS would believe this was noting nefarious.

In fact, EVERYONE, including leading Donkey-Rats believed Saddam possessed WMDs. If necessary I'll once again post the list of leading Donkey-Rats and what they had to say about WMDs.

Only a drug addled junkie stoner pothead like Lucky would still be defending Saddam.

[snakeoil]

Intrepid-It's aweful hard to refute the facts isn't it. You should be careful when posting because facts get in the way of some people's rants. LOL

[Clownkicker]

It was very kind of Insipid to post a timeline that supports everything I said. Thanks.

Note that everything on the post is 1999 and earlier, with the exception of what Insipid undoubtedly considers a big "gotcha!" with the 11 empty missiles ( empty missiles are not WMDs) and one presumably viable weapon.
It is almost impossible for any government to keep track of every last weapon it holds. It is possible that they were just lost in the system, the way we had lost vials of smallpox in a low level lab in the U.S. until it was just recently stumbled upon 50 years later. A few years ago we had live nuclear weapons flown across the U.S. without authorization and against all the rules. A SNAFU. It happens.

After that minor find in 2002 (by the inspectors successfully doing their jobs) a further agreement was reached to allow inspectors to continue their jobs.
Well hell, I guess we better invade, right?
And especially we should invade a week before the report from our own guy comes out which was going to say there were no longer any WMDs in Iraq.

I honestly don't understand how you clowns can insist that EVERYONE believed there were WMDs in Iraq, because i know for a fact that our own U.S. weapons inspectors didn't. I heard it from the horse's mouth a week before the invasion.

Now to Insipids 'case'.

"Given Iraq's track record involving WMDs, a reasonable person... could conclude that because Iraq strongly resisted inspections and even shot at inspectors, something Iraq didn't want anyone to see must be there."-Insipid

There is the entire case from the reactionaries for invasion. "Saddam was a bad guy who thumbed his nose at us. He doesn't like us. Can you imagine the nerve of that guy? I just don't like that smug SOB. Let's take him out." "Oh, and he drives trucks around in convoys. I don't know what he's got in there but I don't like it." "Why the fuck should I listen to our own weapons inspectors? Fry that mofo."

That's a perfect rendition of you Duck Dynasty Right Wing Bozos.
Why don't you clowns ever bring any relevant facts to back up your wobbly, propped-up, duck-taped partisan opinions?
There's never anything to hold them together except wishful thinking and fantasies.

[sillydaddy]

Clown wrote:

"At the time, the last thing Clinton wanted was a diplomatic solution to Iraq ."-sillydope

And yet, over the next two years Clinton didn't invade, did he, so your comment does nothing to argue for RealTool's moronic thesis that Clinton was "beating the war drums".

Note that the Clinton speech is dated 2/17/98.

Clinton ordered the bombing of Iraq to begin on December 16,1998.