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By anon8490
#16125
Watching the aftermath of the school shooting, the grief, horror and revulsion of a nation caught up in the inevitable consequence of arms proliferation, it is a privilege to live in a country where guns have become such an irrelevance to everyday life.

I watched a programme on the tv the other day where a 74 year old US granny was purchasing her first handgun. She was afraid, buying for personal protection and quite prepared to shoot the crap out of any intruder. She had no idea how to use the weapon beyond the instructions given in the shop and yet she could walk out of the mall with a stash of ammo... you guys have a serious problem when the mindset of little old ladies degenerates to this level.

Living in fear is a consequence of the gun culture.

Fear is the sales pitch of the NRA.

More guns is not the answer... it just exacerbates the problem.

Yet it seems the US has travelled so far down the road of "personal freedom" and the "right to bear arms" that no one inside the US can see the insanity it has created.

My son will probably live his life and never see a handgun in this country. He will certainly never see a semi outside the military or airport security.

That is a comfort and makes me proud to be British.
By snakeoil
#16129
Anon8490-If you want a real picture of our gun culture you should come to US and go to one of our gun shows. It will scare you.
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By brandon
#16132
She was afraid.. buying for personal protection...... to shoot the crap out of any intruder.
Seriously, I don't think you gave much "thought" to what you posted? Granny bought a gun because she is fearful of intruders. Like in criminals and crime. She bought the gun to STOP a crime. And protect her life.

Damn dude. :P
By BilboBagend
#16133
Always missing the point that the gun is necessary for defense only because the guns are available to wackos and malignants and in types that are me4ant only for mass murders.
By DarknLadyJedi
#16134
In the US the DOJ reports that there are between 950,000 and 1,400,000 defensive uses of guns each year to stop crimes.

In 2011 in the US the rape rate was 26.8/100K
In 2011 in the UK the rape rate was 100/100K

The chances of being murdered in a mass killing have been compared to the chances of being struck by lightning.

The chances of being raped in the UK is 4 times higher than in the US. Good to know that the rapists don't have to worry about being hurt while doing their thing.

Since the Sandy Hook massacre there have been an estimated 2350 rapes in the US.

Taking the ability of a woman to defend herself from a person who is simply stronger than her is not the solution to creating less victims.
By elklindo69
#16144
RealJustme wrote:
Living in fear is a consequence of the gun culture.
Not if you have a gun and know how to use it! :D
Well if security against a gun was to have a gun then we would all have guns?

Right?

It's that simple because the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, according to the NRA.
By anon8490
#16159
The chances of being raped in the UK is 4 times higher than in the US. Good to know that the rapists don't have to worry about being hurt while doing their thing.
Not true unless you cherry pick stats and ignore reporting methods etc... and in any case irrelevant. And I don't really get your point either. Most rapes are perpetrated by people known to the victim. Husbands, ex's, boyfriends, colleagues, acquaitances etc... very few are by intruders. The idea that these can be prevented by women owning guns is ludicrous. In any case the stats show that there is no significant difference and that guns do not protect women...
Seriously, I don't think you gave much "thought" to what you posted? Granny bought a gun because she is fearful of intruders. Like in criminals and crime. She bought the gun to STOP a crime. And protect her life.
No, I thought about it very carefully. Yes, she is afraid. Like you she has been brainwashed into believing that she needs a gun to protect herself. Like you she sees it as the only solution. Driven by fear she feeds the NRA propaganda machine and perpetuates the madness of proliferation. Life becomes cheap, kill or be killed, the societal values of animals prevails and the US slips further down the slope of moral decline.

Happy holiday fellas....
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By RealJustme
#16163
Well if security against a gun was to have a gun then we would all have guns?

Right?
I see you your point...outlaw guns so only outlaws have them, what an original thought. Why don't liberals put as much effort into enforcing current gun laws and take the guns away from the felons as they put into trying to keep guns out of the hands of good people? I'd bet a million dollars that if law enforcement started searching the homes of felons for guns liberals would go ape shit.
By anon8490
#16166
I see you your point...outlaw guns so only outlaws have them,
Outlaws? Was the guy who shot all those kids an "outlaw"? No, a young man who had access to a small arsenal of LEGALLY held weapons. A collection of weapons that far exceeded anyone's NEED for personal protection but gave him the means to slaughter more than 2 dozen people.
Why don't liberals put as much effort into enforcing current gun laws and take the guns away from the felons as they put into trying to keep guns out of the hands of good people?
Isn't it already ilegal for felons to obtain guns? And so your current "control" does not work.

The number of guns that are held in the US can not be justified on the basis of personal protection... nor the type of weapons nor the volume of ammunition. When a young, disturbed man can get his hands on a variety of guns, a stash of ammo and vent his anger on a school full of innocent kids no ammount of pontificating on the justification for more weapons will stop him. I am certain that we have just as many disturbed individuals in the UK, the difference is they just can not access the means to wreak such carnage.
By 2X8
#16167
SOOOOOO, you think the US should aspire to be more like the UK? Really? As of 20009 , anyway, no thanks.


....It means there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the UK, making it the most violent place in Europe.

Austria is second, with a rate of 1,677 per 100,000 people, followed by Sweden, Belgium, Finland and Holland.

By comparison, America has an estimated rate of 466 violent crimes per 100,000 population...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... urope.html
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By RealJustme
#16173
By comparison, America has an estimated rate of 466 violent crimes per 100,000 population...
What closed mind liberals refuse to acknowledge is that in every city in America where guns were banned our violent crimes have sky rocketed. Look at DC, New york, Chicago, Detroit, there are many sections of those cities where even the police won't go without SWAT backup. Look at Countries were guns are banned, violent crime is just as high as in our cities where guns are banned. Then compare the violent crime rate to cities were guns are permitted...violent crimes are a fraction of those areas where only criminals are carrying guns.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the truth, but it does take an open mind and saddly Obamabots are small minded idiots.
By snakeoil
#16181
Bradey Commission on MSNBC @ 10:45-Since the Sandy Hook shootings 100 Americans have died of gun violence.
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By RealJustme
#16183
Bradey Commission on MSNBC @ 10:45-Since the Sandy Hook shootings 100 Americans have died of gun violence.
What MSNBC left out is the same commission found that 94 of those 100 shootings happened in cities where guns are already banned. In other words you're 10X more likely to get shot in a city where weapons are banned than in cities where good citizens are allowed to have guns. ;)
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By Shimmer
#16195
Here is the letter I just sent off to Dianne Feinstein in response to the weapons ban bill she will submit in a couple of weeks.

"Greetings Ms Feinstein,

I just read about your proposal on gun bans and have to ask if you are insane? The problem we have in this country is not one of weapons but one of a national mindset where humans are of little or no value. It's tragic that those children and teachers were killed a couple of weeks ago but a knee jerk reaction to ban weapons is not the answer and will not work. Your proposal will cost jobs at a time when we need to be expanding the tax base not decreasing it.

We have a true National Tragedy every single day where nearly 1,000 children are brutally executed with no chance of appeal all in the name of choice for their mothers. If someone else killed these children it wold be considered murder yet we believe that a mother can commit the same act with impunity? This shows that the most innocent are nothing more than garbage just on the whims and convenience of the mother.

We have a culture where you folks in congress and even the President spew hate filled rhetoric pitting American against American, where the President talks of getting revenge against his opponents where he says that if his opponents come with knives that his supporters should bring guns. You talk of each other as enemies and accuse people of racism and bigotry just because they differ in opinion. This has an affect on the national mindset and further reduces the value of fellow humans in peoples eyes. It helps people come to the conclusion that they can commit crimes against others because they are bad people for having differing ideas.

We have dozens of video games that make a sport of hunting down and killing people in the name of entertainment, and thousands of Movies and TV shows that make extreme violence even more mainstream as entertainment. Yet you seem to think this has no effect on children and people in general, yet companies pay $3.8 million dollars for a 30 second ad during the Superbowl because they know the influence media has on people. The exposure to all this violence desensitizes people to it and once again contributes to the national mindset that people are worthless.

In the name of inclusion we have children brought up where failure is blameless and in many cases they are still praised for trying in the name of protecting their self esteem. In the real world you only get rewards for excellence and only have a strong self esteem if you have dome something worthy of it, by coddling kids and telling them they are great even when they have done nothing praise worthy they gain a sense of entitlement. As they grow it manifests it's self as people who expect everything to be given to them without working for it or earning it. With the help of Congressional and Presidential rhetoric we are turning into a society where hard work and industriousness is looked on as greedy and the rewards from it are unfair. Every day you demonize successful people and push for redistributing wealth in the name of fairness, confusing equal opportunity with equal outcome which makes the entitlement crowd keep getting more and more angry at the “haves” since they are the “have nots.”

You in congress can't even do your most basic job of formulating and passing a budget, yet seem to thrive on your manufactured crisis such as "the fiscal cliff" because it gives you the opportunity to blame others, and then you jump all over a real crisis and tragedy, to not let it go to waste to ram ill conceived and malicious bills down out throats that erode the freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution and Bill Of Rights. Every day we see members of Congress trying to blame other people for their inaction and failures, every day we see you demonizing your opponents. This propensity to blame everyone else for your failures seeps into society as a whole and in a country where everyone is blameless, it's no wonder that a mentally deviant person could conceive within his mind that killing his mother and then children and teachers is somehow OK.

Within minutes of the news coverage starting over the shooting we had the reporters and pundits looking for blame everywhere when the blame lay squarely with the shooter, who was shaped in part by the national mindset where people are just worthless piles of garbage to be thrown away that Congress and the President helped shape. The fact that it was all over every media outlet with the same theme of the shooter being blameless adds to the shameful national mindset and plants the idea to other disturbed people that they can do the same thing with no blame being laid in their direction. It tacitly encourages such acts so we will have more crisis for you to jump all over.

We hare a Nation that was founded on religious principles yet the state was kept out of the churches business and vice-verse, yet we have a near all out assault on the values that the country was based on. Every single day we see news stories about the erosion of religious liberties and assaults made on Christianity. Even the President has been attacking the fundamental beliefs and rights of the 78% of the people who by census are still Christians of some denomination or another. We live in a country where only 4% of the people say they are atheist or agnostic yet we are letting them make the national agenda which includes the destruction of the family, the destruction of basic morality and the destruction of basic humanity. Even without religion, once a nation loses it's moral compass, which Congress has been contributing to, it is doomed to failure because the most basic ideas of human dignity, compassion and humanity go away. Once they are gone people openly and freely denigrate others and do as they please everyone else be dammed.

If you want to do something that will prevent this kind of tragedy from being repeated, then you need to start within the halls of Congress and tone down the flame wars, finger pointing and demonizing of your opponents. Next you can start doing the job you were elected to do instead of continually forcing crisis and then exploiting the crisis to get your way. You can cooperate and compromise in everything you do in our names instead of trying to force things on us and blame others when they don't work. You can stop spending too much money and saddling people with a hopeless level of debt. After that you can start addressing the mental health issues that you have helped cause and perhaps people needing help can finally get help.

We are all in this together and we are all interested in the country doing well economically, politically and spiritually and it will take a change back to some of the traditional values, civility and humanity that served us well in the past. You can help fix it, but throw away you gun ban and start focusing on the root cause of the problem as I have outlined above.

Thanks for your time and service, and I hope you start actually doing the peoples work.

Sincerely,"
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By RealJustme
#16202
"GREAT" letter but this corrupt regime is going to place you on the watch list, disobedience will not be tolerated.
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By brandon
#16221
No, I thought about it very carefully. Yes, she is afraid. Like you she has been brainwashed into believing that she needs a gun to protect herself. Like you she sees it as the only solution. Driven by fear she feeds the NRA propaganda machine and perpetuates the madness of proliferation. Life becomes cheap, kill or be killed, the societal values of animals prevails and the US slips further down the slope of moral decline.

You hear about a little old lady buying a gun to protect herself and that's your big thought? She was brainwashed by the NRA? She becomes like an animal, and she contributes to America's moral decline.

Really?


:lol:


So glad you're staying in your beloved Britain.

DTFF :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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By RealJustme
#18007
Bradey Commission on MSNBC @ 10:45-Since the Sandy Hook shootings 100 Americans have died of gun violence.
98 ut of those 100 of those murders were black and hispanic gang members killing other black and hispanic gang members. 100 out of 100 of those gun murders were by illegal gun owners committing crimes.

The liberals solution is to take guns from legal gun owners while sueing police departments who may harass minority gang members doing the gun murders.

Is there a bigger cuck piece of shit?

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