[johnforbes]

So Trump fomented Opeation Warp Speed, which yielded covid vaccines.

Neither dementia Joe nor Willie Brown's girlfriend would take those shots, they said in Sept 2020.

Thoughts?

[johnforbes]

Well, my initial thought is that this is a good thread.

[Clownkicker]

Yes, johnny, it is a good thread to showcase your partisan proclivity for lying.

The proof you lied is that both Biden and Harris took the shots produced by Operation Warp Speed.

They never said they wouldn't take the shots produced from Operation Warp Speed. If they had, you would prove it.

But you won't because you can't.

[johnforbes]

No, it proves they were spectacular hypocrites.

When Trump was president, both Joe and Kamala said -- in September 2020 -- that they would not trust covid shots developed under Opn Warp Speed.

From May 2020 onward, the Left said a vaccine could not be developed so quickly and, if it was, it wouldn't be safe.

Today, the Left says the vaccines are safe and everyone should be ordered to get them.

[Clownkicker]

"When Trump was president, both Joe and Kamala said -- in September 2020 -- that they would not trust covid shots developed under Opn Warp Speed."-johnfibs

They never said that. It never happened. You simply made it up.


"From May 2020 onward, the Left said a vaccine could not be developed so quickly and, if it was, it wouldn't be safe."

They never said that. It never happened. You simply made it up.


Why is it you never have anything but made up stupid shit, johnny? Why does reality frighten you so much?

[johnforbes]

I will accept Clownslacker's apology when he is man enough to give it:

1)

Dana Bash: "Let’s just say there’s a vaccine that is approved and even distributed before the election. Would you get it?" HARRIS: "Well, I think that’s going to be an issue for all of us. I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump... I will not take his word for it."

2)

In this interview in September of 2020, Biden outright suggested it would be unsafe to take a coronavirus vaccine shot because then-President Donald Trump “continues to mislead and lie.’ “An enormous pressure put on the CDC not to put out the detailed guidelines. Enormous pressure being put on the FDA to say the following protocol will have a giant impact on COVID. All these things turn out not to be true, and when a president continues to mislead and lie,” he said.

[Clownkicker]

I am very sorry that johnforbes' education is so lacking that he cannot comprehend the meaning of his mother tongue. It's tragic, and I weep for his intellectual deficiencies.


"I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump... I will not take his word for it."-Harris

Notice that Harris nowhere said she wouldn't take a vaccine. johnny made it up. She only said she would not take Donald Trump's word for its safety and efficacy. She immediately followed up with a comment about how she WOULD get a vaccine on a recommendation from Fauci or some other reputable medical authority.

Thank you for once again providing the proof of your lie, johnny. It's always funny when you do that.


As to Biden's quotation, nowhere in it does he say he would not get a vaccine either. NOWHERE. He merely shared his concern that Trump would play politics with the vaccines (which he did.) But fortunately the CDC rightly shrugged of Trump's insane political pressure to prematurely clear the vaccines for emergency use.

As we see from his inability to provide ant evidence for his claims that Biden and Harris said they would not get a vaccine, johnfibs simply made it up, as he makes up all his dishonest propaganda.

[johnforbes]

Both Joe and K said they did not trust politicians on the covid vaccine.

Which is PRECISELY what they now ask us to do.

[Clownkicker]

"Both Joe and K said they did not trust politicians on the covid vaccine."-joihnfibs

NO, neither of them said any such thing. You made it up. They only said they wouldn't trust "Donald Trump" you lying sack of shit. They didn't say anything about not trusting "politicians."

The fact that you couldn't find a single quotation of either of them saying it should convince you that you are simply lying.

Your handlers told you something and you regurgitated it without question. And you are still regurgitating the same lie.


Regardless, who cares what some politician says, dimwit? I (and they) keep telling you to get your medical information from medical experts.

[johnforbes]

My mother tongue is Latin.

That aside, nothing can save Clown here from the simple facts -- both Joe and Kamala said they would NOT trust a politician trying to get them to take covid shots.

They said this on TV repeatedly in Sept and Oct of 2020.

[Clownkicker]

"...both Joe and Kamala said they would NOT trust a politician trying to get them to take covid shots."-johnfoibles

Yes, when the politician is "Donald Trump" they said you shouldn't trust the guy who happens to be "a politician."

They specifically singled out "Donald Trump." They said nothing about trusting any other people who also happen to be politicians.

Stop playing your desperate partisan semantics games, scumbag. You're killing people with your dishonesty.

[johnforbes]

But that doesn't let Dems off the hook for their hypocrisy.

In Sept and Oct, less than a year ago, Joe and Kamala clearly said they didn't trust Trump who was the president.

Half the country doesn't trust Joe or Kamala now, so the situation is identical.

This is hypocrisy on the part of Dems, and I say that as a pro-vaccine person who not only got the Moderna shots but got them ASAP.

[Clownkicker]

"In Sept and Oct, less than a year ago, Joe and Kamala clearly said they didn't trust Trump who was the president.
Half the country doesn't trust Joe or Kamala now, so the situation is identical."-johnreallyfuckedupinthehead

johnny, for the situation to be "identical" both Biden and Harris would have to be "Donald Trump" but they aren't Donald Trump.

They both said they themselves, and only they themselves, wouldn't listen to "Donald Trump." Neither would I and neither would you.

Neither Biden nor Harris ever said people shouldn't listen to their government representatives. You made it up.

They did say they themselves would listen to medical authorities, and then they proved it by listening to the medical authorities and they both got the vaccine. That is not hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy, thy name is"johnforbes."

[johnforbes]

Yep, the situation is identical.

Trump was pres, and Joe and Kamala said they would not trust or take a vaccine he recommended.

The shoe is now on the other foot, and they are recommending vax and trying to order it on the other 1/2 of the country.

[Clownkicker]

"Yep, the situation is identical."-johnfibs

No, it not only isn't "identical", it isn't even remotely similar.

For the situations to even be similar, Biden and Harris would have had to have spent the past seven months ridiculing Fauci, the CDC, and NIH the way Trump did, ignoring their recommendations, and undermining trust in those institutions by the general public. But Biden and Harris didn't do that. They did just the opposite.

Then there would need to be some Republican telling us he wouldn't follow the recommendations of Biden and Harris and that he would only follow the recommendations of Fauci, the CDC, and the NIH. In other words, he would need to say he wouldn't follow the recommendations of Biden and Harris but would only follow the recommendations of Biden and Harris--because their recommendations were the same as those of Fauci, the CDC, and the NIH.

Do you see how nonsensical that is, dimwit?

The two cases are not remotely similar, let alone "identical."

[johnforbes]

Fauci undermined trust in Fauci.

He lied about masks through March 31, 2020, then admitted he had been conserving masks for doctors.

He lied about herd immunity percentage, then admitted he wanted more people to get shots

He lied about not funding gain of function research, but he did.

[Clownkicker]

So you concede that the two situations are not "identical" or even similar.

Thanks for being intelligent for a change, even if you did intentionally misrepresent what Fauci did and said.

[johnforbes]

Joe and Kumela spent 4 years from 2016 to 2020 ridiculing Trump.

In 2020, they said Opn Warp Speed could not develop a vaccine and, if it did, they would not trust or take it given the Trump-related origin.

So they are spectacular hypocrites.

[Clownkicker]

Now johnfibs is making up THREE partisan stupid shit lies instead of just the one.

To this day Bidne and Harris are saying exactly what they said for the past four years. That is not hypocrisy, it's consistency.

Tripling down on your lie doesn't make you look any better, dimwit. Just the opposite.

Why is it that johnfibs can never back up a single thing that he claims?

[johnforbes]

The debates leading up to the 2020 Democrat nominations are not secret.

Anybody can see Kumela essentially calling Joe a racist for working with certain senators like Byrd.

Anybody can look at both of them saying they did not trust, nor would they take, a vaccine developed by Trump's Opn Warp Speed.

This is not ancient history -- it happened last summer and early autumn.

[elklindo69]

"Well, I think that's going to be an issue for all of us. I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump. And it would have to be a credible source of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he's talking about. I will not take his word for it. He wants us to inject bleach. I — no, I will not take his word."

[Clownkicker]

Stop with the facts already, elklindo.

johhnforbes don't need no steenking facts.

Though, admittedly, they never stop him from repeating his unsupported lies.

[elklindo69]

Johnnie's whole life has been a lie.

Johnnie....you can come out of the closet already.

[johnforbes]

The quality of Elkin's postings has gone down more than a Clinton intern.

The debates leading up to the 2020 Democrat nominations are not secret.

Anybody can see Kumela essentially calling Joe a racist for working with certain senators like Byrd.

Anybody can look at both of them saying they did not trust, nor would they take, a vaccine developed by Trump's Opn Warp Speed.

This is not ancient history -- it happened last summer and early autumn.

[Clownkicker]

Only it didn't happen, johnny.

And the proof that it didn't happen is the fact that you can't find any record or video of them saying it.

Repeating your lie doesn't make it true----well, except in a delusional Trump supporter world, I suppose.

[johnforbes]

Both of them did many interviews, and it is very easy to find them saying they would not trust, or take, a vaccine developed under Trump, which is the present vaccine.

Their point was they didn't trust a politician they didn't like, which is the precise situation they themselves are in now -- extremely partisan Democrats urging people to get covid shots for political reasons.

[Clownkicker]

"Anybody can look at both of them saying they did not trust, nor would they take, a vaccine developed by Trump's Opn Warp Speed."-johnfibs

Once again, thank you for providing the proof of your lies, johnny.

As we see in your own video, she never said she wouldn't take a vaccine developed under Operation Warp Speed. You made it up.

She said just the opposite, that she WOULD take a vaccine developed under Operation Warp Speed if Fauci and the public health officials said she should.

"If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell me we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely."-Harris in johnlyingfornbes' own video speaking to the question whether she would take a vaccine developed under Operation Warp Speed.

Thanks, as always, for proving you're a lying partisan piece of shit, johnny. I always like to have you personally corroborate my low opinion of you.

Now let's watch johnny repeat his moronic lie yet again even after he just provided the proof it's a lie; that Harris never said she would not take a vaccine developed under Operation Warp Speed. She actually, specifically, said exactly the opposite, that she WOULD take a vaccine developed under Operation Warp Speed if public health officials said she should.

That is what Harris and Biden are now saying, that people should do as public health officials tell them, exactly as they have always been saying. Stop making up stupid shit, johnny.

[johnforbes]

It isn't my video.

There are many, many videos relating to the 2020 contest, and Joe and Kumela said what I said they said.

They said what they said, and I say they said what they said, and they did not say what you said they did not say, sayeth I.

[Clownkicker]

"There are many, many videos relating to the 2020 contest, and Joe and Kumela said what I said they said."-johnfibs

The fact that you can't find any to support your partisan delusions tells us all we need to know about your made up stupid shit, johnny.

And the fact that what you DID find exposes your lie is hilarious.


"They said what they said,..."-johnflubs

Yes, they did. All the video proves it. So why lie and say they said something else than what is in the well documented news footage? The truth is so much simpler.


"...and I say they said what they said, ..."-johnflubs

Yes, and that and $4.00 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. Nobody cares what YOU said. We only care about what you can prove THEY said.



"...and they did not say what you said they did not say, sayeth I."-johnfibs

She said it right there in the video you posted, dimwit; exactly what I said she said, that she always said she would take the vaccines developed under Operation Warp Speed if Fauci and public health experts recommended it. I even quoted what she actually said back to you because you apparently don't understand spoken English.

Your endless string of lies to the contrary will not suddenly alter reality, johnny. There is too much evidence out there that you simply made it up and NONE AT ALL that supports your idiotic fables.

[johnforbes]

But Trump was the politician behind Fauci, and it was precisely under Fauci's tenure that both Joe and Kumela repeatedly said they did not trust, nor would they take, the Operation Warp Speed vaccines.

They made repeated statements on this, on video, in Sept and Oct of 2020.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, your desperate contortions of the English language to try to be correct SOMEHOW is ridiculous.

Your own video showed Harris said the opposite of what you claimed she said.

She ALWAYS said she would take vaccines developed under Operation Warp Speed if Fauci and health experts said we should take them. You lied and said she said she WOULDN'T take a vaccine developed under Operation Warp Speed.

No idiotic hemming and hawing on your part, looking for a semantic loophole that doesn't exist, will change that fact.

You're a liar. You know you are a liar. The fact that you still can't admit in the face of clear evidence that you are wrong about this proves you are an willful liar.

Go slither around somewhere else. Nothing further you can say about this topic will change this reality.

[johnforbes]

Joe and Kumela said they would trust the scientists, not the politicians.

Now Joe and Kumela, who said they didn't trust President Trump on the vaccine, are asking Americans to trust them as politicians.

After they themselves said don't trust politicians hawking vaccines.

[Clownkicker]

"After they themselves said don't trust politicians hawking vaccines."-johnfibs


Oooooh, so close, johnny.

The trouble with your new lie is that neither of them ever said they don't trust "politicians" on the vaccine. You made it up, as you make up all your stupid partisan shit.

Watch your own video again. Note the Harris does not say "politicians" she says "Donald Trump."

Those terms are not interchangeable, dimwit. All politicians are not "Donald Trump" as you are pretending they are. But you already know that. You are just flailing about looking for a lie you think no one will catch you on.

But you will always be caught no matter how you try to twist the truth because it's so easy to simply play your video evidence and see that whatever words you are desperately trying to put into Harris' mouth simply never came OUT of her mouth in the first place.

Stop lying, johnny. Just stop it, you fucking dishonest weasel.

[johnforbes]

Sure, both Trump and Biden were politicians.

Joe and Kumela said they didn't trust Trump, and he was president.

Presidents are politicians (sad but true).

Joe and Kumela both said, in Sept and Oct 2020, that the didn't trust the president, and didn't trust the vaccine he was developing under Operation Warp Speed, and those are the vaccines Joe and Kumela are now hawking.

[Clownkicker]

Geezus, johnny, give it up already.

You lied. You provided the proof that you lied.

It's over. You're a liar. Don't keep making it worse.

[johnforbes]

Heavens to Betsy, CLowntoker's skull is dense.

There were many interviews done in Sept and Oct 2020, and they all reveal the same thing -- that, just as I said, Joe and Kumela said, over and over, that they would not trust vaccines developed by Trump.

Those are the very same ones now being urged by Joe and Kumela.

I shall accept Clown's apology when he is man enough to give it.

Or, in his case, boy enough.

[elklindo69]

Harris was asked in an Oct. 7, 2020, vice presidential debate if she would take a vaccine if the Trump administration approved one. Referring to the leading government epidemiologist Dr. Anthony Fauci, she said:

"If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I’m not taking it."

[johnforbes]

That proves my point.

Trump was the president and she said she would not heed the advice to take the covid shot from President Trump.

Now she and senile Joe hold those positions, but are urging people to get the shot, so they have no credibility.

As for myself, I got the shots out of the hope that they might lessen symptomatology in the event of necessity, and that seems a sound theory even with the delta variant.

[Clownkicker]

"Anybody can look at both of them saying they did not trust, nor would they take, a vaccine developed by Trump's Opn Warp Speed."-johnfibs

You said it, johnny.

They NEVER said it.

You lied.

Nothing can change that.

Harris and Biden are still saying exactly what they said last year, and thus are not hypocrites on the issue.

You're a moron, johnny.

Let me know if you want me to state some more obvious facts.

[johnforbes]

No, the many videos from Sept and Oct 2020 said it.

Joe and Kumela said they would not trust a vaccine developed under Trump, and it was his Opn Warp Speed which developed our present vaccines.

Wriggling away is not possible here; they said what they said.

[elklindo69]

Harris’s comments are more easily defensible. She was asked specifically about a pre-election vaccine — a timeline that would have been faster than virtually any expert suggested was possible, and that some suggested might have indicated the vaccine would be rushed to benefit Trump’s reelection bid — and her comments were focused on Trump. She added that she “would trust the word of public health experts and scientists” such as Anthony S. Fauci, “but not Donald Trump.” (President Biden also later offered some clarification about his ticket’s stance, saying, “I trust vaccines, I trust scientists, but I don’t trust Donald Trump.”)

[johnforbes]

Probably every person on this forum believed it was impossible to develop vaccines that quickly.

Certainly all the scientists said so, and Trump was laughed at nightly on CNN and MSNBC for naively believing a vaccine could be developed in 2020.

Joe and Kamala were atttacking Trump on everything, so naturally they jumped on board to say they wouldn't trust his ultra-fast Operation Warp Speed.

But they did say they wouldn't trust or take a vaccine urged by a politician, President Trump, and now they themselves are politicians urging people to take those very vaccines developed under that.

Call it an irony of history, or the fact that ALL politicians (of every party) are hypocrities.

[Clownkicker]

"Probably every person on this forum believed it was impossible to develop vaccines that quickly."-johnfibs

Don't be stupid. Nobody "believed" that, dimwit. I knew perfectly well that vaccines could be developed that fast. (Roughly a year)

If the drug companies said they could do it if regulations were loosened, only a moron would "believe" they couldn't do it.

In other words, YOU are a moron.


"Certainly all the scientists said so,..."jophnfibs

NO SCIENTIST SAID SO, johnny. You made it up.

ALL SCIENTISTS knew vaccines could be developed that fast. (Roughly a year without all normal trial requirements in place.) What is wrong with you.



"...and Trump was laughed at nightly on CNN and MSNBC for naively believing a vaccine could be developed in 2020."-johnfibs

No, dimwit, he was laughed at for saying it could be done in three months, which it couldn't, it's physically impossible, and which is what EVERY scientist knew couldn't be done.

You really need to stop listening to your handlers and start listening to actual news reports about what the scientist actually said instead of simply swallowing the lies from your handlers, dummy.



"Joe and Kamala were atttacking Trump on everything, so naturally they jumped on board to say they wouldn't trust his ultra-fast Operation Warp Speed."-johnfibs

Neither of them EVER said they didn't trust Operation Warp Speed. You made it up.



"But they did say they wouldn't trust or take a vaccine urged by a politician,..."johnfibs

NO, neither of them EVER said they wouldn't trust a vaccine urged by "a politician." You made it up.

Every politician IS NOT Donald Trump. You need to stop lying about something so obviously false. Any child can tell you every politician is not Donald Trump. Some are Nancy Pelosi, some are Mitch McConnell, some are Kevin McCarthy, some are Jim Clyburn. Neither Harris nor Biden EVER said they would not trust a vaccine urged by any of those people. You need to learn the English language. You made it up.


"Call it an irony of history, or the fact that ALL politicians (of every party) are hypocrities."johnflubs

Call it an irony of history, or a fact that ALL johnforbes (of the Republican Party) are hypocrites.

[johnforbes]

No vaccine in history had been developed with such rapidity, and -- factoring in the empirical and other processes -- CNN and MSDNC said throughout the spring and summer of 2020 that Trump was naive to dream of getting a virus in 2020.

Unless YouTube had gone on another rampage of cowardly censorship, all of the videos proving what I just said are still up.

[elklindo69]

Well Trump got the virus in October 2020.

Apparently the hydroxychloroquine didn't work out for him. Perhaps he should have injected bleach or something?

[johnforbes]

It never worked lated, only early.

Why did the 1.8 BILLION who got early HCQ have a 69 percent lower mortality rate?

Leftists like Elkin simply don't care about public health.

[elklindo69]

If Johnnie and fellow conservatives are going to insist that hydroxychloroquine and injecting bleach is effective in treating and that COVID-19 vaccines turn you into a big ass fucking magnet. Then I will assume that your opinion on Afghanistan is equally moronic.