[johnforbes]

when I saw the bright comment from Travis Tritt that America should return to paper ballots and in-person voting with photo ID

[Clownkicker]

Only everyone can't vote in person, dummy. That's "CAN'T". Why do you want to disenfranchise the disabled, sick, elderly, those out of town, and those tied up in essential jobs that don't let them get to the polls?

Even Trump doesn't vote in person and you have no problem with that. You actually support him.

And every state already has paper ballots. Every single one of them.

[johnforbes]

But what we have seen this year, with mass mail ballots, has been chaos and fraud.

Senators Warren and Kobuchar correctly noted this early this year.

Now, 1/2 of all Americans believe the 2020 election was stolen by crooked Democrats, and they have ample reason to believe that.

That isn't good for America.

[Clownkicker]

"But what we have seen this year, with mass mail ballots, has been chaos and fraud."-johnfibs

And yet Giuliani and Trump can't produce any evidence to back that lie.


"Now, 1/2 of all Americans believe the 2020 election was stolen by crooked Democrats,..."-johnfibs

You just made that up. There is no poll that shows that to be the case.

"Among Trump voters, 26% are angry that the incumbent lost, but more (36%) are angry at the idea that Biden won. While 60% of Americans believe Biden won the election fair and square, 32% say he only won it due to voter fraud."-Monmouth University poll

32% is not "1/2 of all Americans" dimwit. 60% is the percentage who believe Biden won fair and square.


"That isn't good for America."-johnflubs

What isn't good for America is all you Trump supporters believing that Republican governors, Republican Secretaries of State, Republican Senators, Republican judges, Bill Barr, and many others are all in a criminal conspiracy to defeat Trump and give the election to Biden.

Another thing that isn't good for America is for Trump, Giuliani, and YOU to frivolously undermine faith in our electoral process without any evidence whatsoever. The damage that has done will take 20 or 30 years to undo.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[johnforbes]

Dems should be ashamed of stopping voting in the key states in order to cheat with Dominion voting machines.

[Clownkicker]

Dems didn't stop voting in the key states for any reason whatsoever. You simply made it up.

When you're called on your first batch of made up stupid shit your only response is to make up more stupid shit. You have no intellectual integrity whatsoever. You're atypical Trump supporter.

But you're too big a pussy to tell us why you believe that Republican governors, Republican Secretaries of State, Republican Senators, Republican judges, Bill Barr, and many others are all in a criminal conspiracy to defeat Trump and give the election to Biden.

You actually believe that idiotic delusion makes sense. How can you hold your own party in contempt, johnny?

[johnforbes]

That should have read stopped the vote counting.

I shall chastise my staff for incompetence, and also chastise Clownslacker for failing to read the clear intent of my salient and trenchant posting.

[Clownkicker]

As we see her, johnforbes is still too big a pussy to tell us why he believes that Republican governors, Republican Secretaries of State, Republican Senators, Republican judges, Bill Barr, dead Venezuelan communists, and many others are all in a criminal conspiracy to defeat Trump and give the election to Biden.

And he won't explain it either because he knows how stupid trying to explain his delusions would make him look.

[Clownkicker]

Another Trump-appointed judge turns traitor to America and joins the massive Republican conspiracy to put Biden in the oval office!

"However, the Trump campaign already suffered defeat at the Wisconsin Supreme Court this week. And in federal court, District Judge Brett H. Ludwig expressed skepticism Friday about Trump’s arguments as he held an initial status hearing in a suit seeking to overturn Biden’s victory there.

While the hearing largely dealt only with setting a rapid schedule of filings and hearings next week, Ludwig — a Trump nominee who took the bench only in September — noted that the president has requested “extraordinary” relief.

He added that he had a “very, very hard time” seeing why Trump brought the action in federal court. Ludwig also termed a Trump request to “remand” the election back to the state legislature “bizarre.”-Washington Post

It's tragic to see so many corrupt Republicans stab Trump in the back, isn't it, johnny?


"Meanwhile, in Arizona, Judge Randall Warner of the Maricopa County Superior Court ruled Friday that he found “no misconduct, no fraud and no effect on the outcome of the election” in a suit brought by the Arizona Republican Party and its chairwoman, Kelli Ward.

Warner found that GOP lawyers had identified nine mistakes during an inspection of 1,626 ballots that had been duplicated because the originals were damaged or could not be scanned. But those few errors did not amount to a widespread problem that cast doubt on Biden’s winning margin of more than 10,000 votes — or demand the “extraordinary act” of annulling the more than 3.3 million votes cast by Arizonans, he ruled.

But other Republicans in the state have made clear the election is over. On Friday, the GOP speaker of the Arizona House firmly rejected calls from Trump’s campaign for the legislature to disregard the popular vote and declare Trump the winner of the state’s 11 electoral votes.

“As a conservative Republican, I don’t like the results of the presidential election. I voted for President Trump and worked hard to reelect him,” Speaker Rusty Bowers said in a statement. “But I cannot and will not entertain a suggestion that we violate current law to change the outcome of a certified election.”

Sadly, yet another traitorous Republican conspirator speaks up. How do we stop all these corrupt Republicans, johnny?

"Oh, the humanity!"-- fateful words from an observer of a previous historic tragedy

[johnforbes]

Yes, it is easier to commit fraud in the dark of night .

But it is hard to not only show fraud, but prove it was large enough to affect the outcome, and that is what the judges are looking at.

As to a remand (don't say "remand back") to the legislature, you'll find that state legislatures tend to have ultimate power to determine electors, and that is why the leftist media (and their servants such as Clownslacker) are trying so hard to discredit Rudy.

[Clownkicker]

"But it is hard to not only show fraud, but prove it was large enough to affect the outcome, and that is what the judges are looking at."-johnforbes

FINALLY, johnforbes admits Trump lost the election because Trump and Rudy have no evidence that can stand up in a court of law. And we all know how much johnforbes values rulings made purely on the rule of law.

Way to go, johnny. Growing up and facing reality can sometimes e painful.


What worries me now is that you feel the media can do anything to discredit Giuliani.

If you mean they put on clips of him actually talking, then yes, I guess that could discredit Giuliani. He's certifiably nuts, but johnforbes doesn't seem to notice. What does that say about johnforbes' unstable mental state? I guess it explains why johnforbes couldn't cut it as a lawyer if he thinks Giuliani represents a sound legal mind.

[johnforbes]

You misunderstand the legal issue here.

Of course, there is evidence of fraud, but the question before those tribunals is whether said fraud is sufficiently large to alter the outcome.

The answer is "yes" but of course Democrat judges don't agree.

[Clownkicker]

And the Republican judges don't agree either, dummy. Trump has lost nearly 50 lawsuits and many were handled by Republican judges.

How can Trump have 100% of his lawsuits thrown out of court that you say are valid unless there is a broad Republican conspiracy to oust trump and put Biden in the oval office.

How, johnny? You never say.

[johnforbes]

Well, you must realize that overturning election fraud is difficult.

The question now is not whether there was fraud -- there was -- but how much and of what impact.

The sad thing is that Biden and his supporters SHOULD SUPPORT finding out what happened so that Biden will not be viewed as a fake president if he slithers in.

But, so far, the 2020 election will go down in history -- much like Monica Lewinsky.

[divermouse]

we know what happened. more people voted for biden in key geographic areas of an archaic land mass over people scheme. this time millions more votes for the other guy did not make you in charge, like the last four times it worked. and now your all upset cause your afraid your tiny dicks gonna fall off.

umpteen lawsuits and ZERO , zip point nada, null no charges, just hyperbolic, tax wasting field pies surrounded by sparkle pony patriots sniffing the aroma of planed disfunction to benefit of putins pals and make you feel all macho with nothing but the bill.

[johnforbes]

That is unknown.

Look at Ohio, which is demographically akin to PA.

Biden only "outperformed" in key states (translation: fraud).