[johnforbes]

HCQ, available since WW II and costing only 5 cents per tablet, is an old anti-malaria drug.

New study reveals it is 90 percent effective against coronavirus.

Perhaps the FDA could wake up and get it tried?

[Clownkicker]

I hope it proves effective.

If it is, the one thing we can be sure of is that each pill will suddenly cost 5o cents thanks to our capitalist health care system.

Martin Shkreli is the Republican poster boy for capitalism at its best.

[johnforbes]

The Stanford sampling, though limited, was very promising, but the approval process will likely be too slow.

HCQ is cheap, nickel a tablet, and widely available in standard lists of drugs which should be kept on hand for possible need.

But the media outlets promoting panic seem unwilling to report on any possible good news because they are hoping a bad economy might dislodge Trump from the Oval Office.

[Clownkicker]

^^^^^^^ See? johnforbes couldn't even pretend to deny that the price would suddenly go way up when the drug is actually needed by our health care system.

[johnforbes]

Oh no, I agree with you on that point.

The price will go up if that old drug proves efficacious.

In WW II, America had (and needed) an Office of Price Administration to prevent cynical folks from exploiting the war effort for too much profit, and if the coronavirus were a long term thing that might be necessary there too, but I suspect April will solve it.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, you would do well to remember that April is the cruelest month.




Just a heads up for the dimwitted anti-science Trump supporters out there.....

[johnforbes]

Yep, but it also serves to breed lilacs from the death land.

Speaking of HCQ, I was just looking up what we had available in Africa and Asia, and it was the malaria pill chloroquine, and that (along with zinc) was apparently the method used by China to bring its far larger coronavirus problem under control.

[elklindo69]

HCQ, available since WW II and costing only 5 cents per tablet, is an old anti-malaria drug.

New study reveals it is 90 percent effective against coronavirus.

Perhaps the FDA could wake up and get it tried?

No studies were performed. Those results were anecdotal in nature.

No controlled clinical trials were performed. So you can't say anything about it.

[johnforbes]

A M.D. I was talking to this afternoon said different, but I would like the see the citation too.

[elklindo69]

So the M.D. said they performed clinical trials for this drug? That's not what Dr. Fauci said during Trump's press conference.

[johnforbes]

As far as I can tell, some fellow with MD and PhD degrees conducted a clinical trial in France.

I would also like to know the details, but I don't know them.

In any event, any doctor can Rx this, and it has been available since 1944 with no serious side-effects, so as Trump said we really have little to lose.

Also, any M.D. could simply spent 5 days with one fairly healthy patient and measure the viral loads over 5 days.

Wouldn't that be possible?

[elklindo69]

Johnnie....there were no clinical trials performed. If there were, then we would have known by now.

From what I understand, clinical trials are being performed in China and they have not released any results which will take a number of months to complete....

[johnforbes]

Didier Raoult, MD, PhD conducted this trial with the remarkable results with a combo of available, known pills (HCQ plus an antibiotic).

Dr Oz, the TV guy, is funding at Columbia a genuinely randomized trial of HCQ.

Teva Pharm is donating at least 6 million HCQ pills, so we shall see if they work for this purpose (they are now given for rheumatoid arthritis, malaria, and sometimes for lupus).

Dr Fauci wants perfect data, and that is understandable, but this is an immediate need and there seems to be little downside to giving HCQ a whirl.

[johnforbes]

The results of the clinical trials in China seem to have vanished.

Sure, months would be desired, but you can tell with coronavirus in 5 days if the viral loads have been reduced.

[johnforbes]

There are some who say HCQ plus zinc was used by South Korea to resolved its coronavirus crisis.

[Clownkicker]

"There are some who say..."-johnflubs

Uh oh, johnny's getting his medical information from FOXnews again.

Be sure to have your family post your funeral information here, will you?

[johnforbes]

As indicated many times, I rarely listen to Fox.

Besides, Fox has many anti-Trump people now (Cavuto, Nap, Chris Wallace, formerly Shep, Brazile, Harf, etc.).

As to what I posted above, it was -- as ever -- factual.

Why would Clown or any other leftist be opposed to finding some cheap, good solution to coronavirus assuming one might be available in the form of HCQ or something else?

[elklindo69]

"Some who say"

So who's"some who say"?

Are you cherry picking nonsense off the right wing blogosphere again?

What is it that Dr. Fauci clearly stated....there needs to be clinical trials to PROVE that any particular drug treatment works. The only thing you are doing is just regurgitating nonsense spouted by Trump and his dimwitted cronies.............

[Clownkicker]

"There are some who say HCQ plus zinc was used by South Korea to resolved its coronavirus crisis."-johnfibs
"As to what I posted above, it was -- as ever -- factual."-johnfibs

johnforbes doesn't seem to get his news from any reputable sources. Since South Korea has not "resolved" its coronavirus crisis, your post is not "factual".

South Korea appears to has flattened the curve of the outbreak which only takes pressure off the available hospital beds. This does not "resolve" its coronvirus crisis and no one is saying it has. It just makes the crisis more manageable.

Your post is -- as ever -- not factual at all.

[johnforbes]

Clown never learns.

First he said there was no French study, and there is of course one just as I said.

Both China and South Korea have resolved the issues in bulk, and it remains to learn what medicinal regimen was utilized.

Come on Clown, try to be an adult for once and get in gear on this coronavirus issue which isn't even political.

[Clownkicker]

"Clown never learns.
First he said there was no French study, and there is of course one just as I said."-johnfibs

Of course, I NEVER said any such thing. As always, johnforbes is simply making up stupid shit like ALL Trump supporters make up stupid shit.


On top of that, South Korea has certainly NOT "resolved its coronavirus crisis." No one in the infectious medicine field will support that idiotic statement. Only the imaginary "Some who say" say stupid shit like that.

You made it up, johnny. Made up stupid shit is all you have.

[johnforbes]

Clown, like most leftists, seems to want this virus problem to linger on and not be resolved.

Clown never learns.

First he said there was no French study, and there is of course one just as I said.

Both China and South Korea have resolved the issues in bulk, and it remains to learn what medicinal regimen was utilized.

Come on Clown, try to be an adult for once and get in gear on this coronavirus issue which isn't even political.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, provide a quotation from one of my posts that says anything remotely like "there was no French study" or shut your fucking mouth.

The number of times you have lied about things I never said makes EVERYTHING you post irrelevant.

You demonstrate time after time that facts and truth mean nothing to you.

When will you grow up?

[johnforbes]

One of the purported Chinese studies we would all like to read closely:

Beakthrough: Chloroquine phosphate has shown apparent efficacy in treatment of COVID-19 associated pneumonia in clinical studies.
Gao J1, Tian Z2, Yang X2.
Author information
Abstract
The coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) virus is spreading rapidly, and scientists are endeavoring to discover drugs for its efficacious treatment in China. Chloroquine phosphate, an old drug for treatment of malaria, is shown to have apparent efficacy and acceptable safety against COVID-19 associated pneumonia in multicenter clinical trials conducted in China. The drug is recommended to be included in the next version of the Guidelines for the Prevention, Diagnosis, and Treatment of Pneumonia Caused by COVID-19 issued by the National Health Commission of the People's Republic of China for treatment of COVID-19 infection in larger populations in the future

[Clownkicker]

Yeah, that's what I thought, johnny. You've got nothin'.

[Clownkicker]

"Clown, like most leftists, seems to want this virus problem to linger on and not be resolved."-johnfibs

I challenge you to produce any quotation from my posts on this thread that indicates in any way that I want this problem to linger and not be resolved. You can't.

You made that up along with your other made up stupid shit, johnny.

You also can't produce anything I posted on this thread that politicizes this crisis in any way. Your snooty comment here only shows that you are the one who desperately needs to grow up and try to be an adult.

[johnforbes]

Predictably, when I said there was a French study, the leftists here said it didn't exist.

So I produced the details, and the study does exist, and it exists from one of the world's eminent scientists.

The Chinese studies also exist, or existed before they were deleted for some reason by China.

Instead of making dumb remarks, the leftists here could actually do a little research of their own.

[Clownkicker]

Predictably, johnforbes couldn't find a thing to support his lies about me.

Instead of making dumb remarks, johnforbes could argue with the things I actually say instead of impotently making up stupid shit and then running away with his tail between his legs.

[johnforbes]

This has nothing to do with people babbling on the Internet, but about how to help sick people.

Here is one of the purported Chinese studies we would all like to read closely.

It did exist, and perhaps still does somewhere.

Beakthrough: Chloroquine phosphate has shown apparent efficacy in treatment of COVID-19 associated pneumonia in clinical studies.
Gao J1, Tian Z2, Yang X2.
Author information
Abstract
The coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) virus is spreading rapidly, and scientists are endeavoring to discover drugs for its efficacious treatment in China. Chloroquine phosphate, an old drug for treatment of malaria, is shown to have apparent efficacy and acceptable safety against COVID-19 associated pneumonia in multicenter clinical trials conducted in China. The drug is recommended to be included in the next version of the Guidelines for the Prevention, Diagnosis, and Treatment of Pneumonia Caused by COVID-19 issued by the National Health Commission of the People's Republic of China for treatment of COVID-19 infection in larger populations in the future

[Clownkicker]

"This has nothing to do with people babbling on the Internet,..."-johnfibs

But for some reason you always turn it into babbling because you want to tell pointless lies about other posters.

Additionally, you post nonsense like this-- "There are some who say HCQ plus zinc was used by South Korea to resolved its coronavirus crisis."

And what is that, johnny? It's people babbling on the internet. Duhhh....

[johnforbes]

No, it was doctors discussing.

That is a bit above the Left Wing pothead level of, say, young Elkin.

[Clownkicker]

"There are some who say..."-johnflubs <-----what johnforbes actually said

"No, it was doctors discussing."-johnflubs

Let me help johnforbes with his middle school English: you did not say 'There are some doctors who say' <----what johnforbes pretends he said previously though he didn't
If you had, then all we need is a source or link to your alleged source so that others can check in on the discussion. I suspect there IS no source beyond your usual radical Right Wing Authoritarian Trump-supporting sites that say the things you claim.

Regardless, johnny, if you can't say what you mean, it's better not to say anything. Otherwise you'll end up like RealTool and sillydummy. You'll say any old nonsensical thing and dig yourself a hole you can't get out of.......like the one you dug for yourself on this thread; just more of you babbling on the internet.

[johnforbes]

Let me explain how discussion here works.

My assumption is that others here have some basic understanding of the news of the day.

I don't run a newspaper or news service.

[Clownkicker]

And yet you ask others for links to sources like the hypocrite you are.

I guess that's fine for you because understandably nobody assumes you have any basic understanding of the news of the day, right? You show no indications of it so you expect a pass for your ignorance.

But when someone does provide the source you ask for, you simply shrug it off as being biased. You can't refute anything said in that source, of course, and you can't provide any checkable facts to the contrary. You only add your own small malodorous dump to the shit mountain of all those "people babbling on the internet."

[johnforbes]

I don't believe I've ever asked anybody for a link.

There's a link to everything nutty under the sun on the Internet.

Bear in mind, you are not having trouble arguing with me because I don't have an education, but because I do.

[Clownkicker]

I have no problem whatsoever arguing with you, johnny.

You say something stupid and unsupported by any reputable source. I destroy your ignorant post with facts. You whine and run away, resorting to irrelevant childish insults as you leave.

That's how it goes, not because you are educated, but because you never learned the rules of argument or logic.

And saying you don't believe you ever asked for a link is just more of your dishonest semantics game. What you have asked for more than once is a source. A link is a source provided in a courteous manner, just as an attribution is a source in a more difficult manner for the other person.

So add your dishonesty to your ignorance and ANYONE would

[johnforbes]

No, you have a terrible disadvantage attempting to argue with me.

I won't explain all the reasons, but you and Elkin have only a few arguments (conservatives are dumb, they have no credentials, etc).

And your fundamental problem is that you wouldn't have any difficulty at all if my credentials were fake. These past 42 years would have been a breeze for you.

That is because somebody with credentials is forum-izing in first or second gear...

[Clownkicker]

"you...have only a few arguments (conservatives are dumb, they have no credentials, etc)"-johnfibs

No, dimwit, I have as many arguments as I require to dismantle your lies and bullshit. I use facts and evidence and reason.
I never claim you're wrong because you're dumb. And I've never claimed you were wrong because you lack credentials. (That's your idiotic ploy which you use repeatedly as a substitute for argument of the issue.) I claim you're wrong because nothing you say is supported by reality. Then I provide the reality for you, which you then simply ignore because you don't have the brain power to refute it or even process it.

YOU are the one who simply resorts to arrogant, simplistic, unsupported pablum and personal attacks.

You just did it again. You can't refute anything I said, so you try to divert with the only weapon of the arrogant -- impotent condescension in place of reasoned argument.

[johnforbes]

Oh, come on.

People here are just kidding around on the Interwebs.

Every now and then, somebody will be serious, of course, and it isn't impossible to have a serious or semi-serious discussion.