[johnforbes]

Unemployment down to 3.8 percent.

Now I'm always a skeptic on that figure, but even the U 6 is down to 7.6 percent.

Hardly perfect, and the U 6 should be a bit lower, but we all remember Obama claiming nothing could be done, all the jobs had fled overseas never to return...

[Clownkicker]

That would be a good point if Obama had ever said such a thing, but he didn't.

Made up stupid shit just doesn't fly here, johnny.

Try to be honest for once in your absurdly partisan life.

[johnforbes]

Obama, and most Dems, claimed high unemployment to be the "new normal" (Gross et al. said it too).

I do appreciate claiming a new normality for what you can't fix, but still...

[Clownkicker]

What nonsense are you talking about, johnny? When Obama left office unemployment had been reduced YUGEly from the previous terrible Bush/Republican years and was on it's way to these lows regardless of who got elected.

If you can't produce a quotation from any Democrat saying what you claim they said, then I fart in your general direction.

[johnforbes]

Certainly.

Schumer: "The general trend of higher unemployment may be, as some financial analysts say, the 'new normal'."

[RealJustme]

Hardly perfect, and the U 6 should be a bit lower, but we all remember Obama claiming nothing could be done, all the jobs had fled overseas never to return...

Yep that's because he thought Hillary would be taking his seat and he was covering for them both because he knew they would be taking America even lower as part of the agenda.

[Clownkicker]

So no Democrats said it. All you have is some financial analysts said it.

Got it, johnny.


By the way, there are no hits on your 'quotation' when it's put into a search engine. Please provide your source.

Thanks in advance.

[johnforbes]

You asked for a quotation directly on point from a Dem leader, so I provided one.

Doubtless there are others, but the simple truth is that Dems generally accepted the new normality notion and felt nothing could be done.

Obama waxed eloquent on the topic about the futility of thinking American manufacturing, or jobs, could ever return given the changed vocational outlook.

He was wrong.

[Clownkicker]

I asked for a quotation from a Democrat that supported your claim, yes.

Your claim was "Obama, and most Dems, claimed high unemployment to be the "new normal""

You gave me nothing from Obama and failed to provide any quotation from a Democrat which claimed he believed high unemployment to be the new normal.

Instead, you produced a quotation from one Democrat reporting what some analysts believed might be the "new normal" instead of what the Democrat himself believed was the "new normal".
"The general trend of higher unemployment may be, as some financial analysts say, the 'new normal'."

And the only thing Obama said was that most of the coal mining jobs were gone for good. You're making the rest up.


"Obama, and most Dems" :lol:

Honestly, johnny. You couldn't produce a single supporting quotation from the hundreds of Democrats who supposedly espoused the belief that high unemployment was the "new normal".
That should tell you something about your silly and erroneous partisan beliefs.

[RealJustme]

Obama said it couldn't be done, now that Trump did it, Obama is claiming he set the economy on the right course so is taking credit for what he claimed couldn't be done. :lol:

[Clownkicker]

Of course, Obama never said it couldn't be done.

More made up stupid shit from "The Tool". :lol: :lol:

[johnforbes]

Gwen, whom Imus once said looking like a cleaning lady, is with insufferable pompous Barry:

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[Clownkicker]

I love how you can rely on dimwitted conservatives to produce evidence that they think supports their claims but instead absolutely disproves what they were claiming.

Take johnny's Obama video. Not only does Obama not even mention high unemployment as being the "new normal", he does quite the opposite, being optimistic about all the jobs created under his tenure and about workers training to succeed at those getting the many jobs of the future that we would be creating in the U.S.

Again, johnny, show us a video of Obama or a Democrat claiming high unemployment to be the "new normal".
Not to worry, I'm not holding my breath because no such video or quotation exists.

But I realize there is nothing that can ever change you stilted mind. At some point your handlers said it was true so you believe it, and no facts to the contrary can sway you from that partisan conviction.

[johnforbes]

That was but one example of many where Obama -- who, to be fair, had no education in economics whatever -- was utterly and completely wrong.

Again, though, let's be fair, Obama was completely unqualified for the job and the only case to be made for him was that he was half-black.

Other than his non-entity time as a "legislator," what earthly rationale was there for his ascendency?

[Clownkicker]

johnny, 100% of what Obama said in your video was correct.

You can't quote a single thing he said in it that was "wrong" so why keep embarrassing yourself?

Again, though, let's be fair, Trump was completely unqualified for the job and the only case to be made for him was that he grabbed pussies, was divorced and married multiple times, he bankrupted several casinos, steak, and vodka businesses, lied about his business school and had to pay a settlement for it, was a TV game show host, and hates the people he hires almost exclusively to clean and serve food at his golf courses.

Other than his utter lack of political experience and an inability to work with others to arrive at a consensus, what earthly rationale was there for his ascendency?

[johnforbes]

What rationale?

Border security, economic growth, a rebirth of manufacturing, a return of American interests to foreign policy, a buildup of the military, a tougher stance on N Korea, etc.

As to success, Trump took a million dollar loan, turned it into billions.

Obama, when asked what success he had had, said he ran a good campaign. True, but he had the least experience of any president in the last half-century at least.

[elklindo69]

As to success, Trump took a million dollar loan, turned it into billions.

Unfortunately for you Johnnie, that's a lie. But don't let the truth get in your way. Trump's the only buffoon who ran 5 casinos straight into bankruptcy.

[johnforbes]

Unfortunately, what you said about the casinos was a lie.

The pothead from a private school in Hawaii even had to hang around the racist Wright to gain street cred.

[elklindo69]

OH excuse me...I missed one, there were six casinos run into bankruptcy by Trump.

:lol:

[johnforbes]

Elkin, surely you are a millionaire at least in net worth?

If so, haven't you ever made an investment which did well, then did poorly, until finally you sold it and squared your shoulders and moved on?

[elklindo69]

In those casino bankruptcies Trump pissed away billions in debt and equity.

Then he had to go to the Russians for financing because everybody finally figured out that he fucked up anything he touched.

The Art of the Deal.

MAGA!

[Clownkicker]

"Obama, when asked what success he had had, said he ran a good campaign. True, but he had the least experience of any president in the last half-century at least."-johnflubs

That was true, johnny, until Trump became President. Now Trump has the least experience (none) of any President in the last half-century at least.

I noticed you baled on trying to back up your silly claim that "Obama, and most Dems, claimed high unemployment to be the "new normal"".
That's the way it goes when you're peddling a lie, johnny. All you can do is slink away and hope no one notices. :lol:

[RealJustme]

That was true, johnny, until Trump became President. Now Trump has the least experience (none) of any President in the last half-century at least.

Dude, Trump is the most qualified candidate to ever run for President. Obama was the least qualified, he had never managed anything.

[johnforbes]

Clownslacker, I must agree with you that I have baled much hay in my time.

However, I did not bail out of my assertion above, which was -- and remains -- quite correct.

[Clownkicker]

So produce a link or a video or an actual quotation that supports your silly claim, johnny.

The video you linked refuted your claim, and everything Obama said in it was true. There was nothing about a "new normal" high unemployment.

Why are you having so much trouble when you insist so many Dems made such a claim?

[elklindo69]

That was true, johnny, until Trump became President. Now Trump has the least experience (none) of any President in the last half-century at least.

Dude, Trump is the most qualified candidate to ever run for President. Obama was the least qualified, he had never managed anything.

So according to conservatives...managing 6 casinos into bankruptcy qualified Trump to be the president?

:shock: :roll:

[johnforbes]

Clown, grow up.

First, most of the history of the world existed before the Internet. It is childish to insist things are not true absent a link.

Secondly, what I posted was true and many links support it. But what is the point of me posting links to a leftist ideologue?

[Clownkicker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, johnny, ya gots nuthin'.

We know. For some mysterious reason you can never back up anything you say with a real quotation or link.

Surely, if it's not on the internet, then you have a newspaper or telegram quotation, gramps.

There are no links because it never happened. You made it up in your wishful-thinking, delusional, reactionary mind.

[namngulfvet]

That was true, johnny, until Trump became President. Now Trump has the least experience (none) of any President in the last half-century at least.

Dude, Trump is the most qualified candidate to ever run for President. Obama was the least qualified, he had never managed anything.

So according to conservatives...managing 6 casinos into bankruptcy qualified Trump to be the president?

:shock: :roll:

You got your ass handed to you on this subject once before Elkcrap.. Do you really wanna go there again...

[namngulfvet]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, johnny, ya gots nuthin'.

We know. For some mysterious reason you can never back up anything you say with a real quotation or link.

Surely, if it's not on the internet, then you have a newspaper or telegram quotation, gramps.

There are no links because it never happened. You made it up in your wishful-thinking, delusional, reactionary mind.

You know for someone who pulls shit out of his asshole to use as facts should never demand links from anyone...

[Clownkicker]

You do it nearly every day, namandgulfdumbfuck.

Take your own advice, dummy. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[namngulfvet]

You do it nearly every day, namandgulfdumbfuck.

Take your own advice, dummy. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

More whining from the left wing loon asshole licker who knows 99.9% of my post have links cry for us clown waaaaaaaaaaaaa

[RealJustme]

Just came out today, for the first time in our history there are more unfilled jobs than there are unemployed. KAG

[johnforbes]

Wow, Clown has called me "gramps"?

I shall certainly have to check my will to make certain he is not in it, except perhaps via exclusion.

Clownslacker should know that when the phone from the estate lawyer doesn't ring, it's me.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, nobody expects to see a nickel from you.

You're going to be buried in a large crate filled with gold bars in a futile attempt to "take it with you."

[namngulfvet]

johnny, nobody expects to see a nickel from you.

You're going to be buried in a large crate filled with gold bars in a futile attempt to "take it with you."

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Thats still more then you as a low life union slug will ever have... Except in your dreams :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Clownkicker]

^^^^^^^ Another broke conservatard living on government handouts who also aspires to "take it with him." :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[namngulfvet]

^^^^^^^ Another broke conservatard living on government handouts who also aspires to "take it with him." :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You mean a Vet who did 3 tours in combat defending his country. Who became disabled due to chemicals and shrapnel embedded in him. preventing him from working the rest of his life. A Vet who is now Diabetic, has kidney issues to you is a freeloader. While you think some union slug to should have it all or some lazy ass liberal Snowflake should be entitled. Only an American hating Marxist traitor lazy ass union slug whit the name of Clown would think like that

[Clownkicker]

Freely admitting that you live on government handouts doesn't make you look like less of a freeloader, dimwit.

You can't see how hilarious it is that you despise people living on government handouts, and then admit you live on government handouts exactly like those you despise. You also admit you despise a union worker who actually works a full-time job his whole life instead of living on government handouts. Unbelievable. And to top it off, you cheer a six-time draft dodger as a great American while showing utter contempt for a Bronze Star winner.

Only an America-hating, military-hating, self-hating commie traitor lazy ass Trump supporter with the name namandgulf would think like that.

[namngulfvet]

Freely admitting that you live on government handouts doesn't make you look like less of a freeloader, dimwit.

You can't see how hilarious it is that you despise people living on government handouts, and then admit you live on government handouts exactly like those you despise. You also admit you despise a union worker who actually works a full-time job his whole life instead of living on government handouts. Unbelievable. And to top it off, you cheer a six-time draft dodger as a great American while showing utter contempt for a Bronze Star winner.

Only an America-hating, military-hating, self-hating commie traitor lazy ass Trump supporter with the name namandgulf would think like that.

Thanks for show how much you hate Vets Clown. there are thousands of Vets are not capable of Fiscally working and here you are making fun of them. Show the world how much you hate us for doing something you never had the guts to do. Many of us did not ask to be on VA assistance. We were forced to take it. So please if it makes you feel like a big man Clown then continue to show how much hate you have for us. Yet you go out an rally for Illegals to take what is not theirs, forcing them to go to jail and leave their kids behind.

OH ya Clown your a real pile of crap for a human being.

[Clownkicker]

"Many of us did not ask to be on VA assistance. We were forced to take it."-namandgulf

Now namandgulf is trying to tell us the military police showed up at his door and dragged him to the VA at gunpoint. :lol:

Of course you asked to be on VA assistance. Vets who don't ask aren't on it. Why lie about it?
You were eligible, so you asked. And you're lucky your fellow Americans offer that entitlement to you or you would be without care. They don't have to offer it. It's not spelled out in the Constitution. But it's what socialized health care is all about. You are an American who needs care, so America provides that care, as it should.

But while you benefit from socialized health care every day, you ridicule and despise the rest of America for wanting what you have.

There are millions of Americans like you who, through no fault of their own, are sick or homeless or poor or unemployed due to health issues, but you heap vitriol on anyone who suggests they have the same right to care that you have.
It demonstrates a contempt for you fellow man that is truly mind-boggling. You of all people should know better.
But you still consider yourself an example of a good human being. I bet you're a Christian as well. They are the only one's who behave that despicably toward "the least of my brothers".

[johnforbes]

But this harkens back to the thread where Mueller's background was being touted as a reason to believe that he was entirely genuine and fair and credible and neutral in his investigation.

The Left has nothing but contempt for veterans UNLESS the particular veteran happens to be a leftist.

[namngulfvet]

There are millions of Americans like you who, through no fault of their own, are sick or homeless or poor or unemployed due to health issues, but you heap vitriol on anyone who suggests they have the same right to care that you have.

Where did I say that Asshole licker.. Show me the quote

[Clownkicker]

Look at namandgulf's adult life:

He was in the military--a socialist government organization--and then worked in law enforcement---a socialist government organization---he now lives on Social Security---a socialist government program---and gets his health care from the VA---a socialist government program. If he gets any pensions from the military or police, they are also socialist government programs.

So namangulf has lived his entire adult life suckling at the government teat off socialist programs, but then calls me--someone who hasn't worked a government job or taken any government money since I was 16 working at a state park in the summer--a "Marxist". He also has the gall to insult others who rely on socialist government programs exactly as he does. :shock:

namandgulf epitomizes the cognitive dissonance of the typical Trump supporter. Large numbers of them believe they hate government handouts even as they depend on taxpayers for everything they have. Remember that ignorant Republican rally sign "Keep government out of my medicare! You damn socialists!"https://www.google.com/search?q=keep+yo ... KWzAWQV_M:
It could have been namandgulf himself carrying that sign. He sees himself as the rugged individualist fighting for freedom from government; the government he literally can't live without.

You also have RealTool who can't post without making up stupid shit, and johnforbes, who can't post without being a hypocrite as he fails to produce any evidence for the ridiculous things he believes. As well as sillydaddy who is actually smug and proud of being a racist.


And none of them can see the absurdity of namandgulf the "socialist freeloader" criticizing someone for being "Marxist" who is actually far less socialist than he himself is.

[namngulfvet]

Look at namandgulf's adult life:

He was in the military--a socialist government organization--and then worked in law enforcement---a socialist government organization---he now lives on Social Security---a socialist government program---and gets his health care from the VA---a socialist government program. If he gets any pensions from the military or police, they are also socialist government programs.

So namangulf has lived his entire adult life suckling at the government teat off socialist programs, but then calls me--someone who hasn't worked a government job or taken any government money since I was 16 working at a state park in the summer--a "Marxist". He also has the gall to insult others who rely on socialist government programs exactly as he does. :shock:

namandgulf epitomizes the cognitive dissonance of the typical Trump supporter. Large numbers of them believe they hate government handouts even as they depend on taxpayers for everything they have. Remember that ignorant Republican rally sign "Keep government out of my medicare! You damn socialists!"https://www.google.com/search?q=keep+yo ... KWzAWQV_M:
It could have been namandgulf himself carrying that sign. He sees himself as the rugged individualist fighting for freedom from government; the government he literally can't live without.

You also have RealTool who can't post without making up stupid shit, and johnforbes, who can't post without being a hypocrite as he fails to produce any evidence for the ridiculous things he believes. As well as sillydaddy who is actually smug and proud of being a racist.


And none of them can see the absurdity of namandgulf the "socialist freeloader" criticizing someone for being "Marxist" who is actually far less socialist than he himself is.

Thats right Clown stomp your feet and spew your hate. Show us all how much you hate Vets, Cops and first responders... Spew your toxic hate and lies Clown :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Clownkicker]

^^^^^ Obviously I hit a nerve. namangulf is melting down.

Show me anything I said in that post which could be construed as hate towards Vets, Cops and first responders. You can't.
The only reason you feel that way is you consider "socialist" to be a dirty word. It isn't.
You're living the socialist dream by the grace of taxpayers, and yet you spew epithets at me for some reason. Show us what I actually said that upsets you so much. Copy-and-paste even one sentence into your next post. But you won't because you can't. You just spew mindless bile.

I've been here supporting your socialist life while Trump and Republicans want to do away with it, but amazingly you're upset at me for some reason. Do you see the perverse beauty of the conservative approach that makes you applaud and support their desire to eliminate socialist programs while you are angry at those who make your socialist life possible? They're even trying to take the socialist VA away from you by privatizing it. This means corporations will be skimming billions off the top in profits as they pretend they can provide the same care you have been receiving with billions less money available to provide it. And when they reduce the level of care you receive, you are still going to blame Democrats for it. :shock:

[johnforbes]

It is foolish to describe the VA system as "socialist."

The VA is instead a moral obligation to people you ask to take the greatest risk to protect society.

[RealJustme]

Clown socialism would be giving people access to the VA who aren't vets. I can't make it any clearer.

[Clownkicker]

"The VA is instead a moral obligation to people you ask to take the greatest risk to protect society."-johnforbes

That's what I said, johnny---socialism, where the means of production, distribution, and exchange of health care is owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

It is foolish to NOT describe the VA system as "socialist."

What I can't figure out is how you can't see that the same moral obligation applies to all of our citizens.
Your untenable position is that some human beings deserve health care more than others.

[namngulfvet]

"The VA is instead a moral obligation to people you ask to take the greatest risk to protect society."-johnforbes

That's what I said, johnny---socialism, where the means of production, distribution, and exchange of health care is owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

It is foolish to NOT describe the VA system as "socialist."

What I can't figure out is how you can't see that the same moral obligation applies to all of our citizens.
Your untenable position is that some human beings deserve health care more than others.

Socialism would mean it applies to everyone..
so·cial·ism
[ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
NOUN

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.


The VA is not run by the community moron. Its a branch of the Military.. But thanks for admitting your so fucking stupid a pile of dog shit is smarter then you.

please continue to stomp your feet and make a fool out of yourself POS Traitor