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#92081
Dog, johnny's misrepresenting the normal everyday public endorsement by a foreign leader as "influencing the election."

He actually equates a perfectly legal open endorsement with illegal computer hacking, leaking doctored material, receiving stolen property, and being accessories after the fact in order to undermine the electoral process.

That's what johnforbes' touted legal training has reduced him to; always the dishonest partisan hypocrite.
#92082
Of course, there's no evidence in the instance of Trump.

But Ukraine did help Hillary, and the Podestas did lobby for Russia, and Hillary did sell 1/5 of the US uranium to Russia in exchange for donations to the Clinton Foundation.
#92090
"...and Hillary did sell 1/5 of the US uranium to Russia in exchange for donations to the Clinton Foundation."-johnfibs

Johnny, that's just an outright lie. You should look into it. Clinton was one of nine people that had to sign off on the sale.

"Among the ways these accusations stray from the facts is in attributing a power of veto or approval to Secretary Clinton that she simply did not have. Clinton was one of nine cabinet members and department heads that sit on the CFIUS, and the secretary of the treasury is its chairperson. CFIUS members are collectively charged with evaluating the transaction for potential national security issues, then turning their findings over to the president. By law, the committee can’t veto a transaction; only the president can. According to The New York Times, Clinton may not have even directly participated in the Uranium One decision. Then-Assistant Secretary of State Jose Fernandez, whose job it was to represent the State Dept. on CFIUS, said Clinton herself “never intervened” in committee matters."

So it's utter bullshit that Clinton "sold" uranium to the Russians. Under the law, she never had the power to stop the sale even if she wanted to.
If you want to blame Obama for failing to veto the sale, then fine, but it isn't Clinton's fault.

And the uranium can't leave the U.S.. In other words, the U.S. still controls the uranium.

"NRC’s review of the transfer of control request determined that the U.S. subsidiaries will
remain the licensees, will remain qualified to conduct the uranium recovery operations, and will continue to have the equipment, facilities, and procedures necessary to protect public health and safety and to minimize danger to life or property. The review also determined that the licensees will maintain adequate financial surety for eventual decommissioning of the sites. Neither Uranium One nor ARMZ holds an NRC export license, so no uranium produced at either facility may be exported."-https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML1033/ML103300018.pdf

And the donations don't fit on a timeline. The bulk of money was given before she became Sec. of State and after the donor had anything to gain form the sale.

"Of the $145 million allegedly contributed to the Clinton Foundation by Uranium One investors, the lion’s share — $131.3 million — came from a single donor, Frank Giustra, the company’s founder. But Giustra sold off his entire stake in the company in 2007, three years before the Russia deal and at least 18 months before Clinton became secretary of state."-

But you probably knew all that and are merely trying to do that old partisan douche bag thing you do.
#92093
There's PLENTY of evidence that the Dump had influence from Russia. It's all around us. In fact, I'm really tired of all the new evidence, so they should just go ahead and squash his stinkin orange ass.
#92102
"Hillary was just one of the people signing off?
No, that is not true."-johnfibs

Yes, it IS true, johnny.
https://www.treasury.gov/resource-cente ... in-US.aspx
https://www.treasury.gov/resource-cente ... mbers.aspx

The nine member CFIUS is run by Treasury, not State. (The Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States )

State (i.e.Clinton) had no veto power; only non-binding advisory power. She couldn't have stopped the sale even if she wanted to.
Regardless, the uranium is in U.S. control. It can't be exported. So your idiotic propaganda that it went to the Russians somehow is just another of your handlers' lies for the party simpletons.

You can't simply keep repeating made up stupid shit from your partisan handlers.
You're a dimwitted dupe, johnny.
#92103
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There's that.

AssClown Cornholio, if a Republican Sec. State were involved in selling uranium you and all your phony Donkey-Rat cohorts would be screeching that he personally delivered the yellow cake in wheel barrow loads

Your hypocracy would be stunning were it not so predictable.
#92117
What is idiotic is that Hillary -- wife of a president, US Senator, and serving Sec of State -- is just another unimportant person signing off.

That is simply a lie.

She was the Sec of State and a future presidential candidate with enormous influence.

Hillary did, in fact, sell 1/5 of the US uranium supply to Putin.

And the Clinton Foundation was indeed rewarded with about 146 million.
#92123
As we see here, the AssClown Insipid couldn't refute a thing I posted.

Thus it is safe to conclude that he agrees with me about Hillary not having any veto power over the sale.
If he didn't, he would be smearing his Depends all over the wall here.
#92124
Nobody ever said, or suggested, Hillary acted alone.

But pretending the wife of the president and a potential future president was not in a crucial decisional position is just a lie and a bad one.

She sold 1/5 of the US uranium supply and her foundation got over 100 million and her husband doubled his Russia speaking fees.

It screams out for a special counsel.
#92179
"Hillary was just one of the people signing off?
No, that is not true."-johnfibs

"Nobody ever said, or suggested, Hillary acted alone."-johnfibs

Yes you did, johnny. You just "said or suggested" Hillary wasn't just one of several people signing off.
But I proved to you that she was. And yet you keep yammering.

It's unbelievable anyone can be that obtuse.
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