Open Discussions about the VoyeurWeb.com site
#7697
redruggers wrote:
Leadfingers wrote:No, he can't.
Well don't feed him, then.
Got it. I'm trolling. Right. Because anybody who disagrees with supposed facts, is trolling. Well let me ask ya this ... Did any of you know that for YEARS (up until 4/12) some dude with a German IP addy was uploading all (and I do mean ALL, including PAID) content from VW to a crapload of torrent sites?

Know how he did it? He paid for a subscription to VW, downloaded all the content on a monthly basis, uploaded it to the torrent sites on a monthly basis, and made it freely available to anyone who knew where to look.

Again. That's not VW's 'fault' How the hell could they have possibly prevented that from happening?

I'm gonna say this just one last time and you can believe it or not. ANYTHING you upload to the Internet is your property. However, it is NOT the responsibility of the website you upload it to, to protect it. THAT is on YOU.
#7698
VW Admin,

You have made public a massive amount of material that contributors posted on the assumption that it would be kept within a closed membership area. We and many others object to this in the strongest possible terms. That material is now subject to mass theft and duplication. It is also freely available to minors, without the slightest barrier to entry.

I have been trying to get a response from you on this extremely urgent issue all day. Are you all asleep?!

PLEASE RECTIFY THIS SITUATION BY CLOSING THE MEMBER SECTIONS IMMEDIATELY!!
#7699
redruggers wrote:VW Admin,

You have made public a massive amount of material that contributors posted on the assumption that it would be kept within a closed membership area. We and many others object to this in the strongest possible terms. That material is now subject to mass theft and duplication. It is also freely available to minors, without the slightest barrier to entry.

I have been trying to get a response from you on this extremely urgent issue all day. Are you all asleep?!

PLEASE RECTIFY THIS SITUATION BY CLOSING THE MEMBER SECTIONS IMMEDIATELY!!
:lol: I'm gonna sell all yer shit now at 100% profit since I got it all for free! :lol:

No. I won't. Because I have integrity. Not only that? I'm not even into HC porn. I only ever came here for the small tits with big nipples but alas, the tit-flash page is no more. :roll:
#7702
Somebody's got his panties in a bunch.[/quote]


That's right, we do have our panties in a bunch. And great, this is a "beta version" so something you can address IMMEDIATELY is restoring the log-in features to the pay sections of this site. Or is this the promised 90 day extension to our accounts?

Please VW, we are imploring you to help us support you with our contributions by supporting us with the term and agreements under which we feel comfortable contributing.

Thank you Rugrollers, for stepping up and speaking out on this important issue.
#7706
Please email me if you want to help convince VW to help themselves by reversing this decision to open the private sites to public access.

rugrollers at gmail dot com
#7708
Rug,

You really should stop posting stuff. Since the collapse you're stressing both boards.

What do you want? For sure attention - on other hand you want to be hided. Don't fit in my opinion. Instead asking others for help fixing your personal trouble you should take action on your own like consulting a lawyer for eg.

Regarding the open ex members only areas - did anyone realise thats no working payment/CC processing on the site????? This flashes tons of redlights to me, that a halfrotten old version on a low perfrmance box from the site is taken live even more . It's hard to get a merchant acct today and your biz need to be sober to get one....

Also suspicious: Reopening and no officials are online to answer questions.

It don't stop stinking here. Out of the legal, serious biz world for sure.
#7712
All their domain names have been transferred today. See here
Domain Name: VOYEURWEB dot COM
>>> Last update of whois database: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:50:47 UTC <<<
Domain Name: HOMECLIPS dot COM
>>> Last update of whois database: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:50:47 UTC <<<
Domain Name: REDCLOUDS dot COM
>>> Last update of whois database: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:50:48 UTC <<<
Domain Name: FUNBAGS dot COM
>>> Last update of whois database: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:50:48 UTC <<<

You can check godaddy whois to look it up yourself.

Exposing all their hardcore contributors to public and to the search engines is not meant as a "thank you" but is their final "fuck you all".
#7733
Dude wrote:Rug,

You really should stop posting stuff. Since the collapse you're stressing both boards.

What do you want? For sure attention - on other hand you want to be hided.
Actually he's just trying to be heard over all the troll noise... The man's got skin in the game, literally, pun intended! And all these trolls are trying to give him a lecture on the wild wholly internet...

YOU ALL MISS THE POINT - yes the Internet is lawless, but that doesn't excuse VW/VC violation of THEIR OWN RULES!

Why all you trolls are attacking the person who's GIVING you the porn you desire makes no sense, you should have this guys back and thank him for his bravery to share intimate photos and videos with you all.
#7757
chancelot wrote:If it's on the Internet ... It's NOT exclusive to any particular site so long as thieves exist. What is it for some 'pirate' to pay 20 bucks a month for "exclusive content" from ANY site when he knows he can download 30 days worth and sell it all over the WORLD for 10, 20, maybe even 100 times what he paid for his 1 month subscription? Does this not occur to anyone other than me?
Do you lock your car doors when you drive downtown? Why? Any thief with a brick can break into your car. Makes no sense to lock your car. What about your house when you leave on vacation? Do you lock the front door? Any thief can break inside and steal everything. You might as well leave the doors and windows open for them. That is your logic here.

Providing a little security goes a long, long way of sending the thieves to look at easier places to rip off. Yes, a few thieves do download RC and HC material and post elsewhere. Often those sites are discovered, and the former LEGAL@voyeurweb.com team would quickly help to address the issue. Limited exposure, limited damage.

With the front door wide open, the bots are crawling. Now, a simple search in any popular search engine might produce the full explicit images of a contributor who preferred a little plausible denial.

The problem is not that someone could steal the content. The problem is the probabilities of someone discovering that you'd not want to see your pics/clips. Previously, the probability was low. This increases that probability dramatically.

Add to that, the broken trust of the agreement over the years between VW and contributor.
#7760
redruggers wrote:--snip--
I've written to Katherine (vwadmin@voyeurweb.com), ghost (ghost@voyeurweb.com) and one other I have a private address for. Does anyone have other addresses? Anybody reading this know a way to get through to JA himself in case he wasn't directly involved in this decision or doesn't really understand it?
--snip--
add diego@voyeurweb.com

and maybe someone is still reading email to remove@voyeurweb.com
Since you are more concerned with homeclips, also see if contri@homeclips.com is still functional.

VW has made a calculated decision. We are told all these decisions are not made by one person, but by a Board. The one owner sits on top of that Board.

I believe your fastest remedy is to request removal of content. It will be quite telling to see how quickly VW/HC responds to that request. Once upon a time, urgent requests were given a high priority knowing serious personal damage could be done.
#7778
Since VW came back up I have gotten emails from three different contributors all basically saying the same thing.
They posted to pay sites to allow some form of protection towards the content they were posting.

While I applaud VoyeurWeb for recognizing that they needed to do something I now feel that the opening of Redclouds, Homeclips, and Funbags in such an unrestricted manner is a bad idea. Especially in light of what Canada is currently experiencing with Justice Douglas.

I believe that if VW wants to provide a free trial membership to these areas it should at a minimum do so by making people register, even without a credit card. Providing some form of protection in the form of captcha software would at least slow down the more basic bots. Forcing a $1 membership fee for a select amount of time would do much more for providing safety and security for these areas.
#7809
Hi all,

In this continuing drama, the board style templates have been messed up and anyone who was using a different style template can no longer log in to the board. It's a catch-22, they need to log in to change it and they can't log in because of it. This also makes it rather difficult to make this known other than by e-mail to the admins whose responsiveness has been .... less than adequate perhaps.

Rug Rollers (aka Red Rugger due to purgatory) are unfortunately among those who have this issue. Hence he has suddenly gone quiet. He has however been in e-mail communication with VW and has now asked me to post the following.

Cheers,
cerebio

---------------------------------

KATE -- Nothing has changed this morning! No further news from you. All pay sites are freely accessible. The only word from admin on this issue in response to the scores of concerned and outraged posts on the BB yesterday is Ghosts bland statement on the TRUE PEOPLE thread that "we shall take your concerns to vw management," but you told me you already took it to your boss last night and they were deciding what to do about it. So is this the decision then? Do nothing and hope the storm passes?

I also got an absolutely moronic reply from Ghost about this myself -- it's clear he doesn't have the faintest clue what is going on. Is there something wrong with him?

And I seem to be somehow blocked from accessing the BB from my userid -- there's no "banned" statement, just "General Error -- Template path could not be found: styles/subsilver2/template." Am I being silenced again? At least my threads haven't been erased.

Anyway, this is my limit. I told you, this stuff is being harvested and indexed by the minute. I will be sending take downs myself and advising everyone else I know to do the same unless I hear differently within an hour. I will also begin pursuing other legal channels to get this shut down, because I am not confident that my take down requests will be honored.

RR
#7812
The following is copied from "The other site's BB"...I thought it might be of interest to many here...

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As of right now, none of the new VW or RC pages are showing as indexed on Google or Bing. I am not at all sure (OK, I am really just guessing), but I think I recall reading once that in Google a page does not go into the index until it is spidered twice, so there may be a window during which if RC is closed, the pages will not go into the index.

Since people are arguing about just how much of a barrier membership is to spreading pictures over the web, I did a quick check of some private show monthly winners vs redclouds regular monthly winners from about a year ago, using a random picture from the contri (using the monthly winners pages, now uncensored at VW).

The sample size is definitely not big enough to be certain, but Google images was only about 3/4 as likely to find the RC picture elsewhere on the web vs the VW picture. Whereas the PS were almost always scraped from the page (probably by a bot as there were many repeat offenses by the same site) at least half of the copied RC pictures were clearly posted by the model or I strongly suspect actually were published on the web first.

So I I would guess that the membership roughly triples your chance (or better) of your contribution not ending up roaming free. I suspect a closer look would increase that ratio even further.
#7895
I think the question should be not how easy or hard it is to lift images from a paysite. But how many contributors are willing to post to VW after this move to open up the paysites to the general public.

We posted only a few times, but will never post here again. The trust of the community is a big issue for us.
#8061
rugrollers wrote:This matter is now extremely urgent. PLEASE take these sites DOWN NOW!!!!!

Kiki, do you have ANY information for us after yet another whole day of this outrage???? It simply cannot take four days to accomplish this!

Rug Roller
Rug Rollers, I have a question for you. Even when they eventually figure out how to take these site down (it's not that hard)..... how can any contributor have a shred of trust in the team that is running VW?
#8064
BigRich25 wrote:Rug Rollers, I have a question for you. Even when they eventually figure out how to take these site down (it's not that hard)..... how can any contributor have a shred of trust in the team that is running VW?
Good point, but frankly I'm worrying about one thing at a time here.

I just checked my direct links and they appear to finally be blocked. Would any of the rest of you please try yours and see if you get the same results? Thanks.

RR
#8065
I have been in touch with many of you through private messaging throughout the day about this issue, where I explained that I did not want to put up any information publicly without concrete evidence and exact details. Now I have proper information. From what I have seen and been told things are just about in order and the paid sites should be completely private again, other than HomeClips which is almost finished. Please help me out in ensuring all avenues have been blocked, PM if you find a way to get in without a password. Thanks.
#8068
Kiki wrote:I have been in touch with many of you through private messaging throughout the day about this issue, where I explained that I did not want to put up any information publicly without concrete evidence and exact details. Now I have proper information. From what I have seen and been told things are just about in order and the paid sites should be completely private again, other than HomeClips which is almost finished. Please help me out in ensuring all avenues have been blocked, PM if you find a way to get in without a password. Thanks.
My RC and FB avenues are all blocked. HC is still wide open. Kiki, at least your information seems to correspond with what is actually going on, which is somewhat reassuring.

Isn't anybody else checking this? Possibly everybody is trying to say something but stuck in purgatory... (I'll have to work up a Dante version of this entire saga once my blood pressure returns to normal)
#8069
BobToolong wrote:completely private is right the paying members can't even see it.
PLEASE DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW!

Read the thread and try to understand the stakes for those of us who supply the stuff you like to look at! Do we exist? Are we people with lives to protect????!!!!
#8076
I know this seems to be a difficult problem to solve, so I'll just through out an idea (perhaps a silly one) in case it might help. I've been unable to access the pay sites for a while now...but others seem to be able to with relative ease. Is it possible that whatever changes you've made to block access isn't installed correctly on every server in your system? I don't know how many servers you are using, but I believe VW used to use a fair number of them worldwide. Perhaps if you could isolate which region the people that are still able to get into the restricted areas are from, that might point to where the hole(s) is.
#8080
Good morning from Europe. At this moment in time. funbags seems secured properly, but HC and RC still allow access via direct links. Note that even when they show security popups here and there, simply canceling those seems to allow access.

Techie bit:
This means that at the web server level, the access permissions are not configured correctly. Start reading the manual for chmod/chown in California there. Preferably the nginx manual too. I haven't check where your .htaccess file sits, but if it is in the default location someone will pick up on that soon.
#8096
cerebio wrote:Good morning from Europe. At this moment in time. funbags seems secured properly, but HC and RC still allow access via direct links. Note that even when they show security popups here and there, simply canceling those seems to allow access.

Techie bit:
This means that at the web server level, the access permissions are not configured correctly. Start reading the manual for chmod/chown in California there. Preferably the nginx manual too. I haven't check where your .htaccess file sits, but if it is in the default location someone will pick up on that soon.
I am not seeing the access that cerebio was getting in the night. I only have the main index page for RC and that's closed, but I don't have any direct links to individual contris. For HC I have individual contri urls, and at one point this morning I was able to get the main index page. But when I try to click on a contri I get blocked every time, and cancelling or closing the pop-up doesn't get me through. Same thing for the individual contri urls. If anyone has RC contri urls, please try them and see whether you can get through.

Somebody better figure out what that techie bit means, because I sure can't.

If Jammer is right there may still be servers that aren't synced, so people should please keep spot checking.

Why has admin gone silent this morning? That always worries me -- bad things have tended to happen when admin goes mysteriously silent.
#8099
Looks like it may finally be locked down properly.
I can't get in via the links that worked yesterday.

Maybe this post will actually make it to the boards - but I doubt it. These admins seem to censor everything I have to say for no apparent reason.
#8103
My apologies for the silence, I have been working all morning. I will be looking into what Jammer has stated. Has anyone else been able to access it via direct links or by canceling the security popup other than Cerebio? When I try the VW paid sites do not allow any of these things. Please let me know.
#8122
I retried it just now and at this point everything seems more properly secured. Direct links will get to the overview page, but no longer to the individual contributions. That's progress!!

Short of a full blown hack the current situation seems sufficient to keep bots, crawlers, leechers et al. away.
#8124
MrCuke wrote:I haven't been able to get in via cancelling the security popup either.
Same here. Zardoz also confirms.

But all our confirmations seem to be from the US. Can we hear from a few distant places? Tonga, perhaps...?

Cerebio, what are you seeing now?
#8125
MrCuke wrote:Ummm.

Looks like it is open again on HC -- I just got into the members area - No Username/Password required. Never even got asked for one.
What's going on? Only some servers protected? This is just getting ridiculous!
Shit! Where are you Cuke?
#8127
MrCuke wrote:Looks like it is open again on HC -- I just got into the members area - No Username/Password required. Never even got asked for one.
What's going on? Only some servers protected? This is just getting ridiculous!
Are you also managing to get into individual contris from the main page, or are those at least blocked?

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