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#67646
Three illegals from other countries killing Americans, captured now back on the streets to kill more Americans. Our government should be taking measures to keep illegals out of our country and if they managed to sneak in, deport them immediately. If it saved just one life, it would be the right thing to do.

A question for Obama is "How many American lives, is ignoring our immigration laws worth; give us a number?"
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Authorities are continuing to search for three inmates who escaped from a Southern California maximum-security jail by cutting through half-inch steel bars and rappelling from the roof by a makeshift rope.

"It was very well-thought-out and planned," Orange County sheriff's Lt. Jeff Hallock said Saturday at a news conference.

The inmates — one of whom is an alleged killer — were last seen at 5 a.m. Friday at the Orange County Central Men's Jail in Santa Ana, about 40 miles southeast of Los Angeles. They could have escaped any time between then and late Friday night.

"The inmates cut through half-inch steel bars to facilitate their escape," Hallock said.

They also cut through plumbing tunnels and finally made it to an unguarded area of the roof where they were able to rappel to the ground using some kind of makeshift rope, Hallock said.

They were last seen wearing orange jail jumpsuits, he said.

The inmates were seen at a 5 a.m. inmate count and were discovered missing at the 8 p.m. count, Hallock said.

Before the nighttime count, there was some kind of disturbance at the jail that may have been part of the escape plan, Hallock said.

It slightly delayed the discovery that the men were missing, he said.

Some "small pieces of evidence" have been collected and investigators will be looking at surveillance camera footage, Hallock said.

Earlier, Hallock said it was the first escape from the 900-inmate facility in 20 years.

Investigators were working around the clock with other county agencies, the FBI and U.S. marshals, Sheriff Sandra Hutchens said in a statement.

"I am confident that this collaborative effort will result in returning these inmates to where they belong- behind bars," she said.

The inmates include 20-year-old Jonathan Tieu, an undocumented immigrant, was being held on a $1 million bond since October 2013 on charges of murder, attempted murder and shooting at an inhabited dwelling. His case is believed to be gang-related.

Hossein Nayeri, 37, had been held without bond since September 2014 on charges of kidnapping, torture, aggravated mayhem and burglary. Nayeri and three other men are accused of kidnapping a California marijuana dispensary owner in 2012. They drove the dispensary owner to a desert spot where they believed he had hidden money and then cut off his penis, authorities said.

After the crime, Nayeri fled the U.S. to his native Iran, where he remained for several months. He was arrested in Prague in November 2014 while changing flights from Iran to Spain to visit family.

The third escaped inmate, 43-year-old Bac Duong, was being held without bond since last month on charges of attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, shooting at an inhabited dwelling, being an ex-felon in possession of a firearm and other charges. Duong was an undocumented immigrant with prior violent crime convictions.
#67715
John, I feel that you're right. They came to this country illegally or over-stayed their visa so they are here as people who have broken our laws which makes them illegal in my opinion; hence the term illegal alien fits..
#67722
I distinctly remember him going down to the Texas border and holding the fence up to let those three guys could crawl under. He just sits around in his office all day thinking things up to piss Justme off.
#67728
There are about 1/2 million visa overstays.

Yes, that's correct.

They are in a database, but nobody nowhere is checking it, so this 1/2 million people can wander at will around the country.

Our homeland "security" is a sad joke.
#67730
I'm still waiting for the part about Obama enabling these guys somehow.
Obama’s announcement of executive action on immigration in November of 2014 includes key policy changes from which the results of the report come. Under the changes over 87% of those in the United States illegally will be allowed to remain. Another major change in the administration’s policies that the report addresses is the replacement of the Secure Communities information-sharing program with the new Priority Enforcement Program (PEP), which focuses on targeting individuals convicted of significant criminal offenses. Homeland Security has shut down the Secure Communities program of allowing police departments to detain illegal immigrants.

Carrie Severino, chief counsel and policy director of the Judicial Crisis Network in Washington, said that "the Obama administration's attempt to rule by pen and phone instead of democratic lawmaking is an affront to the Constitution's separation of powers."

"Finally, President Obama's lawless refusal to enforce the law is meeting its match in the courts," she said. "Both of the federal courts to examine this latest example of lawlessness have concluded that the administration's program is illegal, and the Supreme Court is likely to do the same."

Both Severino and Yoo served as law clerks to Supreme Court Associate Justice Clarence Thomas

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#67732
"There are about 1/2 million visa overstays.
Yes, that's correct.
They are in a database, but nobody nowhere is checking it,..."-johnforbes

Yes, it sucks that Republicans have been decimating budgets and reducing the number of government employees to the point where meaningful oversight of anything is pretty much impossible.

You get what you pay for, don't you, johnny?

But will you argue for new government spending and new government hires to deal with the problem?
Of course not. You're your usual hypocritical self.
#67733
Again, Tool, how does putting illegals into maximum security prisons "enable" murderers?
You clowns have been yelling to have the illegals put in jail for breaking the law.
But when they are put in jail, you bitch and moan about it.

And now the Republicans control both houses and still have done nothing at all about what they have all been claiming is a critical existential problem of high priority.
There isn't even a bill written to deal with the immigration issue yet. Never mind a debate or vote on the issue.
You're bitching that nothing is being done. Then when Obama does something because Congress refuses to do anything, you bitch about Obama not doing what the Republicans only pretend they want done. :lol:

It just shows once again that there is nothing, NOTHING, Obama can do that you won't criticize him for, even if it is exactly what you have been calling for for years.
Stop bitching impotently about Obama and start bitching about the hypocritical Republican limp dicks in Washington D.C..
#67735
Paul Ryan just helped out Obama-Pelosis with a 1.1 trillion spending "deal."

There's no shortage of spending for Obama's agenda, but said agenda does NOT include controlling the border or mandating E-Verify.

What Democrats want are MORE ILLEGAL ALIENS, more uncheckable Syrian refugees, more chaos, more anarchy, more sanctuary cities.
#67736
Again, Tool, how does putting illegals into maximum security prisons "enable" murderers?
Dude, they should have never been allowed in or to stay, every illegal needs to be deported before they victimize Americans than get free room and board in our comfy prisons. Now they're back on the streets and more Americans will be victims...thanks to Obama and his policies.
#67737
johnny, Ryan really had no choice when he came in. He told everyone that that was a condition of accepting the job; that they wouldn't argue with him about cleaning up the mess they had made. The Republicans refused to pass individual portions of the budget in a timely fashion and instead let them all pile up until a shutdown would occur if an omnibus bill wasn't passed, which benefits no one but extremists.

Now Ryan is positioned to get the next budget done in smaller pieces that may be horse traded, amended, and voted on on their merit.
That's how it should be done in the first place. You shouldn't hold up the military budget because you can't agree on a farm subsidy bill. You shouldn't hold up transportation infrastructure appropriations because you can't agree on welfare reform.

Ryan now has a sort of "clean slate" position. If he doesn't pull his guys into line this year and start the next budget negotiations early and in smaller portions, like they should always be done, then start criticizing him.
For now, give him the benefit of the doubt.
As it is, he stopped you lunatics from shooting us all in the foot simply for ridiculous partisan posturing.
If you think that makes him "spineless" then you don't understand Washington and what it took for him to achieve it.

Get over yourselves and start compromising.
You win some, you lose some, but the country is better off as a whole.
It's the American way.
#67738
Every person has a choice every day.

Paul Ryan did nothing but fund Obama's agenda because he was spineless.

They talk about not having a veto-proof majority, but Boehner had no desire or understanding of the need to fight for principles, and Ryan apparently doesn't either.

And the National Review will defend Ryan but condemn Trump.

O tempora, o mores.
#67754
Last time Repubs shut down the govt, media outlets screamed.

And Repubs were "punished" by an enormous victory in Nov 2014.

Obviously, Paul Ryan should have used the power of the purse to NOT fund Obama's agenda.

Just as obviously, a person who wants to fight should actually fight -- not just grow a bear and natter on about it, which is all Ryan did.

So far, Ryan looks as spineless as Boehner.

Now, as to shutting down the govt, that is often misunderstood. Essential workers always report anyhow, so the word "shutdown" is misused, although clearly Clowntoker wouldn't know that.
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