[RealJustme]

PoliceOne, the largest organization of police officers in the US, recently asked its 450,000 members: “Considering the particulars of recent [mass shooting] tragedies like Newtown and Aurora, what level of impact do you think a legally-armed citizen could have made?” Eighty percent said: “Casualties would likely have been reduced.” Time after time, mass public shooters openly admit to targeting gun-free zones. Eighty nine percent said "Gun free zones are less safe since they are much more likely to be targeted by both criminals and terrorists."

Since at least 1950, all but two of the mass public shootings in the U.S. (and every single one in Europe) has occurred in a gun-free zone.

[sillydaddy]

Open carry became legal in Texas today January 1st. Private property owners can still ban guns or ask the person to leave. I understand some large retailers will ban open carry in their stores.
I myself will not open carry....I don't care to advertise that I have a gun.

Obama has long threaten to disarm us all and he plans to work toward that even after he leaves office.
The world sees us as a violent, gun happy country.....yet they can't wait to get here!

[RealJustme]

I live in an open carry State but you very seldom see anyone open carry (hardly ever) I don't open carry since I don't want to draw attention to myself, plus don't want to get sued by some libtard that has a heart attack upon seeing a real gun on a real man. None of the businesses I'm aware of have signs prohibiting open carry, one did a few years ago but they lost so much business they took the sign down. It's not that customers wanted to open carry while shopping there, it's just they didn't want to shop at a business that would prevent them from doing so.

[Grog]

How many crimes have you personally thwarted, JustFreedManMe?

Just a ballpark estimate is fine.

[RealJustme]

How many crimes have you personally thwarted, JustFreedManMe?

Through my community and Shriners involvement it's really hard to put a libtard label on it. If you're looking for numbers your hero Obama can tell you exactly the number he's personally thwarted.

[snakeoil]

Think of how many people you know that you would not want to carry a gun!

[RealJustme]

Think of how many people you know that you would not want to carry a gun!

Snake I don't hand out with your crowd, I'm fine with my friends carrying a gun.

[johnforbes]

How many rational conversations has Grog personally thwarted?

[snakeoil]

Justme...You seem to suggest the PoliceOne is some sort of an official or semi-official organization, far from it. PoliceOne is an online forum/blog for police officers to vent their views/frustrations. It is not an official anything. If you peruse the site you will find that there is much for sale; ergo this is a money making website. I do feel that many police will visit the site. I visit websites that cater to the work that I do.

Knowing the above, I am a bit hesitant to take "facts" or "polls" from this website. I am not saying that these facts or polls are wrong, it is just that I am hesitant to accept them as absolute. Too many times we have seen facts and polls manipulated to suit the outcome the organization wants.

http://www.policeone.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(Click on the "products" section.)

[Clownkicker]

RealTool is unaware of what he should look for in his propaganda.

For example, his article says "PoliceOne, the largest organization of police officers in the US, recently asked its 450,000 members:" but it doesn't say how many of them actually responded. I wonder why?

It could be that only 10,000 (or fewer) bothered to answer the poll questions, but we'll never know.
RealTool is also unaware of the "self-selected sample" concept. They really get you with that one.

You need to keep in mind that your handlers are not your friends, Tool.
They're using you for their interests, not yours.

[tvd]

Too many times we have seen facts and polls manipulated to suit the outcome the organization wants.

Oh, you mean like the global warming data that was alterred to suit ...how did you phrase it...."the outcome the organization wants". Like that?

[tvd]

RealTool is unaware of what he should look for in his propaganda.

For example, his article says "PoliceOne, the largest organization of police officers in the US, recently asked its 450,000 members:" but it doesn't say how many of them actually responded. I wonder why?

It could be that only 10,000 (or fewer) bothered to answer the poll questions, but we'll never know.
RealTool is also unaware of the "self-selected sample" concept. They really get you with that one.

You need to keep in mind that your handlers are not your friends, Tool.
They're using you for their interests, not yours.

I guess Clown doesn't believe in statistics...i.e. statistical sampling.
Cause that's what asking 450k ppl, and getting a sample response is.....
Doofus.

[RealJustme]

Clown thinks people who get caught driving under the influence should be charged with assault with a deadly weapon, that's how far out there he is. Why not charge them rape while we're at it?

[sillydaddy]

Clown....do you open carry?

[Clownkicker]

No, I think people who open carry are fools.

Not only do they make people uncomfortable (how do you tell the difference between a "good" NRA member and a "bad" Right Wing militia extremist? They look alike to me) but average people carrying openly would be like giving criminals a smorgasbord of weapons for their crimes. Criminals wouldn't need a black market any longer.

It's like the news story two years ago about the guy who bought a new sidearm and was wearing it to show off.
Another guy said it was cool and asked to see it, the owner let him, then the guy turned it on the owner and stole it.
And even if the owner had refused to let the guy handle his gun, the guy might have just pulled out his own concealed gun first and taken it, or he might have sucker punched him and taken it.
There is no upside to open carry.

Also, open carry lets a criminal or terrorist know who to shoot first. Why would you want to give them that information?
That's just plain stupid. Your firearm wouldn't just not protect you, but it would increase the likelihood that you get killed first over someone else.

Concealed carry for self defense is the only sensible plan.

[Clownkicker]

"I guess Clown doesn't believe in statistics...i.e. statistical sampling.
Cause that's what asking 450k ppl, and getting a sample response is....."-reallystupiddaddy

silly, demonstrating that you don't understand the terms "statistical sampling" and "self-selected sample" doesn't make me look like a doofus.
It only proves you are the doofus.

[tvd]

Doofus....I said the quote you ascribed to silly.
That makes you a doofus in its own right.

But the first two paragraphs of your post above indicates a ridiculous position to take regarding statistics.
Your sole intent when mentioning 10000 ppl, the sample count, etc is an attempt to fly your opinion over Tools head.

It would take only 500 or so responses from a population of 450k to get a very accurate picture statistically of the full 450k. I dont want to get my calculator out, but it will be very close.
You were trying to slide one in there, and I called you on it.

Also...where do you get off ASSUMING that I don't know the diff between statistical sampling and self selected sample? Thats YOUR assumption, that is all it is.

I'll give you an example of self-selected sample for your enjoyment....

THE FUCKING GLOBAL WARMING DATA as reported by your EXPERTS a few years back.
Try that example on for size, doofus.

You know, I bet you (Clown) were despised as a kid, even now, for always having to be right. The smartest doofus in the room. He who never loses an argument, who is always right, and makes sure everyone knows it.

Bwwwwahaaaahaaaa :lol: :lol:

[johnforbes]

98 percent of all dentists responding to a recent survey concluded that Clownhicker was a dolt.

[Clownkicker]

tvd, for all you know only TEN people responded.
You don't know and no one else here knows.
If so, the results of the poll are not statistically significant.

"Also...where do you get off ASSUMING that I don't know the diff between statistical sampling and self selected sample?"-tvdunce

It isn't an assumption.
Your own post proved it, just as your last post proves it further.

"It would take only 500 or so responses from a population of 450k to get a very accurate picture statistically of the full 450k."-tvdimwit

If the responders are self-selected, 500 is not a statistically valid sample, moron.
Neither would 10,000 be a statistically valid sample if self-selected.
The sample must be random and large enough to be meaningful.
And you have no idea whether the poll is statistically meaningful. We haven't been given the information, which means you're making an ass of yourself no matter what you know about statistics.

In other words, the one thing we do know is you don't know what the fuck you are talking about, as always.

[elklindo69]

A poll of cops asking their opinion is not scientific.

So why not ask a scientific organization, such as the CDC, to conduct research on gun violence. OH wait...they were defunded by the NRA...

[tvd]

What the hell are you smoking?

YOU are the one that brought up self-selected samples....not me. Self- selected samples are fraud.
Just like the g;obal warming stats, by the way. (Why did you ignore that, doofus?)
YOU are the one that brought up 10000 respondents.

You have no idea how many have responded. I never said I did.

What i said simply is that it takes a sample of 500 responses from 450k to get a very tight accuracy on the statistical picture of the whole 450k. Again...that is fact, I will not teach you stats. I ain't getting out the calculator, I will leave it to the students to verify this as a homework assignment.

[tvd]

A poll of cops asking their opinion is not scientific.

So why not ask a scientific organization, such as the CDC, to conduct research on gun violence. OH wait...they were defunded by the NRA...

OH wait....why don't you just shut the fuck up? You have nothing of value to add, all you know is what your "handlers" have told you to say....bwwaahhhhahhhahhhaaaaa:lol::lol::lol:

[Clownkicker]

Of course I brought up self-selected samples, dimwit, because RealTool had no idea they even existed or what they mean.
And you still don't understand that 500 self-selected respondents have no statistical value, though you seem to think they do.
I was trying to teach imbeciles that articles in a Right Wing propaganda rag are not what they pretend to be.
The 10,000 was a random number pulled out of the air without any significance. It was just an example. Why you are trying to give it some significance is a mystery to me.

Whatever responses they got to the questionnaire were a self-selected sample and no stats were given about the size of that sample, so the article means very little.
And whatever conclusions you clowns draw from the questionnaire 'results' don't mean jack shit statistically, though RealTool tried to use them that way, as we see by the thread title.

If you knew anything about polls and statistical analysis you would be agreeing with me before you pretend I'm wrong instead of just pretending I'm wrong because you are ignorant. :lol:

[RealJustme]

And you still don't understand that 500 self-selected respondents have no statistical value, though you seem to think they do.

Clown where in my post does it indicate that they selected 500 people to complete the survey? That's something libtards do, make up shit, dude try and think before you post we're not libtards so don't buy into your bull.

[johnforbes]

Hard to tell if Clownhicker is talking about stratification?

In any event, every person who picks up a phone and decides to cooperate with a pollster, or does so in some other form such as online, is self-selecting too.