[johnforbes]

Isn't it undeniable that Hillary and other Democrats started the "Birther Movement" to tarnish Obama and try to beat him in primary races?

Isn't it true that Obama's academic records, his courses, his SAT and GRE and LSAT, are all still sealed and secret?

Why wouldn't he want to reveal them and display his high intelligence?

[Intrepid]

The Clinton's know where all the bodies are buried.
And caused a lot if them to require burying.

[Clownkicker]

Who started the birther movement?

Are you kidding me?
Obama isn't running for anything, you dodo.
Nobody cares about your moronic conspiracies.
Well, except Insipid. He'll swallow anything stupid you can come up with.

[sillydaddy]

The media are the idiots on this!......they will try anything against Trump.

But it backfired on them because....Trump reminded them the Hillary camp started it...

now Hillary will have to relive every attack she made against Obama.

[johnforbes]

When Hillary saw in the primary contests that Obama was doing well, she and her staffers decided to try the approach of saying Obama was a foreigner and not quite the good Arkansas folk the Clintons were.

So all these questions about "Who is Obama?" and "Why are his school records STILL secret?" started with Hillary Clinton and her team.

[Clownkicker]

"When Hillary saw in the primary contests that Obama was doing well, she and her staffers decided to try the approach of saying Obama was a foreigner..."-johnforbes

Untrue. You made it up. (Or should I say Trump made it up and you swallow it without question.)

"Penn was not a birther. His memo didn’t raise the issue of Obama’s citizenship. Furthermore, he was acutely aware of the political danger that a Democrat would court by going after Obama in this way, even subliminally: “We are never going to say anything about his background,” he wrote."-Bloomberg Business

And they never did.
They tried to suggest that Hillary was 'middle America' and by harping on it, the gullible would fill in the blanks themselves: if Hillary was middle America, then Obama must not be. (You know, the way you clowns are gullible on this topic and you eat up anything Trump tells you.) It took the dishonest Republicans to say Obama was a foreigner when they knew it wasn't true. The Democrats never did.

Now if you're saying the Republicans are such malleable tools that they can be made to do the bidding of the Democrats, then just say so.
Otherwise, make them responsible for their dishonesty and lies.

[johnforbes]

No, the split between Hillary and Obama began in that primary battle.

Hillary's strategists sought to portray Obama as strange and foreign, and mentioned his father as a failed, alcoholic Kenyan socialist.

And there was merit to that view.

What was Obama's SAT score?

His LSAT score was what?

Why are they STILL secret?

[Clownkicker]

OK, johnny, post one quotation of a Democrat saying Obama is a foreigner.
You said "When Hillary saw in the primary contests that Obama was doing well, she and her staffers decided to try the approach of saying Obama was a foreigner..."

Or are you going to back-peddle on us again?
Put up or shut up.

"Why are they STILL secret?"-johnforbes

Because they are irrelevant and nobody who's intelligent at all cares.

[johnforbes]

We know the SAT scores of Al Gore and Bush Jr, both of which were mediocre.

Both relevant to people aspiring to be a powerful public figure.

There is only one reason a politician -- a person who wants to strut and fret on the public stage -- would hide academic potential test scores.

That's if said scores reveal him to be a person of mediocre ability who needs affirmative action.

[Clownkicker]

So don't vote for Obama, dimwit.

I take it you concede the fact that no Democrat called Obama a foreigner. :lol:

[johnforbes]

Wanda Jackson was voted into the rock Hall of Fame.

Clownswisher is a certified member of the forum Hall of Shame.

[elklindo69]

Two Republican presidential candidates claim the so-called “birther” movement originated with the Hillary Clinton campaign in 2008. While it’s true that some of her ardent supporters pushed the theory, there is no evidence that Clinton or her campaign had anything to do with it.

In an interview on June 29, Sen. Ted Cruz said “the whole birther thing was started by the Hillary Clinton campaign in 2008,” and earlier this year, Donald Trump claimed “Hillary Clinton wanted [Obama’s] birth certificate. Hillary is a birther.”

Neither Cruz nor Trump presented any evidence that Clinton or anyone on her campaign ever questioned Obama’s birthplace, demanded to see his birth certificate, or otherwise suggested that Obama was not a “natural born citizen” eligible to serve as president.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hi ... l-birther/

[johnforbes]

Most of these "fact check" outfits are just liberal ones designed to spread lies.

The reality is that political opposition research starts in primary contests. You can see the most vicious attacks on Trumps made by Repubs who see their own presidential hopes going down the drain.

Hillary was shocked and angered that young, inexperienced leftist Barry O sought the presidency because, after all, Queen Hillary saw that as her own right.

So she, and her staffers, sought to discredit Barry and asked the same sorts of questions which linger today.

I repeat this simple query: What was Barry's SAT score? Why is it STILL secret?

[Clownkicker]

Two opponents provide evidence to support their position.

johnforbes, as always, can provide nothing to support his position but innuendo, Donald Trump, and chirping crickets. :lol:

It must hurt being such an ignoramus, johnny. How do you stand it?

[johnforbes]

Most of these "fact check" outfits are just liberal ones designed to spread lies.

The reality is that political opposition research starts in primary contests. You can see the most vicious attacks on Trumps made by Repubs who see their own presidential hopes going down the drain.

Hillary was shocked and angered that young, inexperienced leftist Barry O sought the presidency because, after all, Queen Hillary saw that as her own right.

So she, and her staffers, sought to discredit Barry and asked the same sorts of questions which linger today.

I repeat this simple query: What was Barry's SAT score? Why is it STILL secret?

[Clownkicker]

Yes, johnny, you've got nothin' but innuendo, Donald Trump, and chirping crickets.
We got it already.

Of course, I didn't reference any "fact check" outfit.
I referenced a respected news source that contradicts your droning unsupported partisan propaganda.

So what do you have to say about their reportage? I mean, besides just more nothin'.

[elklindo69]

I don't ever remember the time when Clinton ever demanded to see Obama's birth certificate!!!

:lol:

[johnforbes]

The reality is that political opposition research starts in primary contests. You can see the most vicious attacks on Trumps made by Repubs who see their own presidential hopes going down the drain.

Hillary was shocked and angered that young, inexperienced leftist Barry O sought the presidency because, after all, Queen Hillary saw that as her own right.

So she, and her staffers, sought to discredit Barry and asked the same sorts of questions which linger today.

I repeat this simple query: What was Barry's SAT score? Why is it STILL secret?

[sillydaddy]

I have always believed that Hillary started it....

it may be argued that some anonymous Hillary campaign worker issued the email....but it the candidate

that is ultimately responsible for what is said in their name.

But this article seems to bring it closer to Hillary than anything else..

http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/hollywood-pr ... neligible/

[elklindo69]

I have always believed that Hillary started it....

it may be argued that some anonymous Hillary campaign worker issued the email....but it the candidate

that is ultimately responsible for what is said in their name.

But this article seems to bring it closer to Hillary than anything else..

http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/hollywood-pr ... neligible/

You can believe whatever bullshit you want.

Since when did Clinton ever demand to see Obama's birth certificate?

[Intrepid]

If AssClown Loser Lucky hadn't destroyed his memory by smoking bales of the sacred herb he would remember a picture of his Beloved Messiah, Hussein MaoBama, dressed in full muslim regalia. A variation of this picture, as a drawing, was published on the cover of the New Yorker magazine, or Harper's or one of those other liberal rags. AssClown Loser Lucky will correct me if I'm wrong about which magazine and then do his little victory dance.
At any rate, this photo was released by the Clinton campaign in an obvious attempt to suggest Obozo wasn't really an American. I dearly hope AssClown Loser Lucky will challenge me on who released this photo. I so much enjoy grabbing him by his little stoner ponytail and slamming his face against the cold, cruel iron anvil of the Painful Truth.

And now we see, despite his adamant denials, he comes to once again rushing to the defense of that hag, Hillary Rotten Clinton.

So predicable, so sad.
So owned.

[elklindo69]

Trump said that Clinton started the birther movement and "was all in."

It’s an interesting bit of history that the birther movement appears to have begun with Democrats supporting Clinton and opposing Obama. But Trump, and others who have made this claim, neglect to mention that there is no direct tie to Clinton or her 2008 campaign.

The story appears to have started with supporters of Clinton, an important distinction.

Trump goes on to completely distort the chain of events by claiming Clinton "was all in" on the birther movement. Most of the talk started after Clinton suspended her presidential campaign. And the only thing she officially has ever done is deny any accusation of starting a whisper campaign.

We rate this claim False.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... act-check/

[Clownkicker]

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that Assclown Loser Insipid's rambling rant was directed at my spot-on postings.

He stops in here to verify that he couldn't find any examples of Democrats calling Obama a foreigner either and to support what my source already said here, that Hillary was trying to look mainstream-middle-American while giving the impression that Obama was something other than that, and that her campaign never said Obama was not a citizen eligible to be President.

But what always stumps me about the way these clowns rant is while they are kind enough to verify what I said to be true, all the while they try to make it look as though I were the one that is wrong instead of the clown that posted the unsupported lie.
It's really puzzling that they hate the messenger of the facts so much. One would think they would be grateful after enduring the non-stop lies of RealTool and johnforbes.

But thanks for backing me up and making johnforbes look like the partisan-propaganda-swilling tool that he is, Insipid. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Intrepid]

^^^Owned.
With emoticons.

[johnforbes]

Clownhicker has gone out on many a limb.

With a saw.

[Clownkicker]

"^^^Owned.
With emoticons."-Insipid

^^^^^^^So predicable, so sad.
So owned. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[johnforbes]

Clownhicker has gone out on many a limb.

With a saw.

[Intrepid]

Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery AssClown Loser Lucky, and with anyone other than you I would be flattered to be imitated. From a junkie, pothead, stoner Marxist? Not so much.

At any rate, you seem to have missed the salient point of the Clinton campaign releasing the photo of your Messiah, Hussein Obozo dressed in full Muslim regalia. Perhaps if you hadn't been stoned out of your mind... but after all, whenever is that?

Nothing, but NOTHING happens inside the Clintonista campaign without the blessing of Her Royal Thighness, the Hildabeast. There has never been a control freak like this bitch. Remember her campaign lackeys herding the reporters down the street behind ropes? Well, tasking your weed erased memory is a bit much, but take my word for it, it happened. In any case, the release of this photo was approved by the Bitch in Chief. So yes, Hillary "rob 'em" Clinton did in fact question the citizenship of the current community organizer in chief, however obliquely.

You have your work cut out for you AssClown Loser Lucky. In the next few weeks Hillary Rotten Clinton will be tested like never before. Daily, her lies are being revealed and it looks like even the Clinton Global Shakedown Initiative has taken hits both in reduced "donations" and in celebrities who no longer respond to "invitations" from the Clintons to attend various fleecing and pocket picking sessions. You will be called on like never before to defend the indefensible. But given enough dope I'm sure you can find a way. Perhaps if you listen to my previous advice and take up meth?
Or have you already?
That would explain a lot.
Cheers.

[Clownkicker]

^^^^^^^So predicable, so sad.
So owned. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

But why are you going to all the trouble of admitting for a second time that I was right and johnny was wrong; that no Democrat ever called Obama a foreigner?
We liberals are smart enough to get it after just one admission.

Or are you doing it again in order to get it through johnny's dense skull?

[Intrepid]

You can stop now, really...it's starting to embarrass me. I know you realize I am so much superior to you, but your tributes are just too much. Please, work on your own style.
Maybe your fellow banishee Grog can advise you...

[Clownkicker]

Diversions, diversions, diversions.
It's all Insipid has when he can't prove me wrong.

So predicable, so sad.
So owned. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[johnforbes]

My hair is dense, but my skull is no more thick than the typical Irish laborer.

I grew up setting locust fenceposts, and Clownsucker's skull resembles one.

But please, let's not have any barbed wire barbs in response.

[Intrepid]

At any rate, you seem to have missed the salient point of the Clinton campaign releasing the photo of your Messiah, Hussein Obozo dressed in full Muslim regalia. Perhaps if you hadn't been stoned out of your mind... but after all, whenever is that?

it may be argued that some anonymous Hillary campaign worker issued the email....but it the candidate

that is ultimately responsible for what is said in their name.

AssClown Loser Lucky, had this been a Republican, you would be screeching and howling about how the candidate is responsible for anything done in their name.

You, me and everyone else knows this is true.

But, as we also know, No libtard, or in your case, a Useful Idiot Marxist can ever be called consistent. With your ilk it's all about political expediency. Only your butt buddy Elkindoofus doesn't realize it (but, as he realizes nothing except what is posted on his libtard websites, this isn't saying much).

You can keep mimicking me if it helps you come up with something, anything to post, but everyone knows you have been beaten down once again.
Make it easier on yourself and just stay down this time.

As AssClown Loser Lucky is incapable of following good advice, he will now throw another tantrum, spew his beloved emoticons and in general continue to make an AssClown out of himself.

The only thing he seems capable of doing well.

Bring on the revolution.

[Clownkicker]

"Your Lordship, had this been a Republican, you would be screeching and howling about how the candidate is responsible for anything done in their name."-Igno-rantFuck

So show us where any Democrat said that Obama was a foreigner, you diverting fuck.
You won't because you can't.
I never claimed, or even suggested, the Hillary campaign was not responsible for the photo.
Why do you keep pretending I did?

Everything I said is true and what johnny said is false.
But I command you to return with more sputtering diversions and name calling; anything except actually addressing the point.
Now dance, dimwit. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[johnforbes]

The reality is that political opposition research starts in primary contests. You can see the most vicious attacks on Trumps made by Repubs who see their own presidential hopes going down the drain.

Hillary was shocked and angered that young, inexperienced leftist Barry O sought the presidency because, after all, Queen Hillary saw that as her own right.

So she, and her staffers, sought to discredit Barry and asked the same sorts of questions which linger today.

I repeat this simple query: What was Barry's SAT score? Why is it STILL secret?

[sillydaddy]

It was settled long ago...Hillary started it....

I don't know why the libs keep bringing it up.

[Clownkicker]

johnforbes is not a lib, dimwit.

He's the one who brought it up.

Can't you even read?

[elklindo69]

Republicans are blaming Hillary Clinton for the ‘birther’ movement. That’s wishful thinking.

Donald Trump no longer wants to be America's birther-in-chief. In a Monday interview with Fox News — which might have been his last — Trump said that questions about President Obama's citizenship "began" with Hillary Clinton, "when she was running against him." On Wednesday, at a rally in South Carolina, Trump emphasized that Clinton was "the original birther" and "the one who started that whole thing."

This was not Trump's first dabble with birther revisionism. At CPAC this winter, he insisted to Fox News host Sean Hannity that he was not the first birth certificate sleuth — only the most successful. "Hillary Clinton wanted his birth certificate," Trump said. "Hillary is a birther. She wanted it, but she was unable to get it."

And more and more conservatives have settled on the Trump line — that the questions about Obama's citizenship were so slimy that they obviously came from the Clinton camp. "The whole birther thing was started by the Hillary Clinton campaign in 2008 against Barack Obama," Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) confidently told Yahoo News this summer.

The problem: This is simply not true. Clinton's campaign, one of the most thoroughly dissected in modern history, never raised questions about the future president's citizenship. The idea that it did is based largely on a series of disconnected actions by supporters of Clinton, mostly in the months between Obama's reaction to the Jeremiah Wright story and the Democratic National Convention. I know, because I spent/wasted quite a lot of time covering this stuff.

[johnforbes]

The reality is that political opposition research starts in primary contests. You can see the most vicious attacks on Trumps made by Repubs who see their own presidential hopes going down the drain.

Hillary was shocked and angered that young, inexperienced leftist Barry O sought the presidency because, after all, Queen Hillary saw that as her own right.

So she, and her staffers, sought to discredit Barry and asked the same sorts of questions which linger today.

I repeat this simple query: What was Barry's SAT score? Why is it STILL secret?

[sillydaddy]

No Clown.....I'm talking about libs like Colin Campbell of the Business Insider and Chuck Todd of Meet the Press..

They keep asking Trump about it.....and he keeps telling them, Hillary started it .....!

[Intrepid]

The photo released by the Clinton campaign:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/f ... ctions2008

[Clownkicker]

So what you're saying is, you still don't have any evidence that Hillary's campaign called Obama a foreigner.

Yes, WE GOT IT ALREADY. Nobody cares about the photo.

Why are you clowns so dense? We heard you the first five times you said it.
You're getting to the johnforbes level of mental retardation, Insipid, saying everything over and over like a dimwitted child.

[Intrepid]

I don't have to say it AssClown Loser Lucky, the Obozo campaign said it for me. They directly accused Hillary Rotten Clinton of broadly suggesting that Hussein Obozo isn't an American.

This your cue to throw your tantrum in defense of the indefensible Hildabeast, your mistress.

Don't leave out the emoticons boy.

[Clownkicker]

"I don't have to say it AssClown Loser Lucky, the Obozo campaign said it for me. They directly accused Hillary Rotten Clinton of broadly suggesting that Hussein Obozo isn't an American. "-Insipid

Then you should have no trouble providing a quotation of them saying so, right?
I couldn't find it.
But you won't provide a quotation. Your ilk never does.
You just pull shit out of your ass and hope no one calls you on it.

But, that said, what does the photo have to do with your supposed point?
Every time I saw that photo in the news, it was always captioned with the information about why he was wearing it.
It never occurred to me that the photo indicated he wasn't American.

Are you saying you're so stupid that it made you consider your ridiculous 'Birther' position?

[johnforbes]

The reality is that political opposition research starts in primary contests. You can see the most vicious attacks on Trumps made by Repubs who see their own presidential hopes going down the drain.

Hillary was shocked and angered that young, inexperienced leftist Barry O sought the presidency because, after all, Queen Hillary saw that as her own right.

So she, and her staffers, sought to discredit Barry and asked the same sorts of questions which linger today.

I repeat this simple query: What was Barry's SAT score? Why is it STILL secret?

[sillydaddy]

Of course, there's the video of Obama arriving in Kenya and saying he is so proud to come back home....

then there's Michelle Obama's speech where she says, "when we took our trip to Africa and visited his home country in Kenya......"

[Clownkicker]

^^^^Another Birther reveals his stupidity.

That, or you speak English about as well as RealTool. :lol:

[Intrepid]

"I don't have to say it AssClown Loser Lucky, the Obozo campaign said it for me. They directly accused Hillary Rotten Clinton of broadly suggesting that Hussein Obozo isn't an American.

Read the story that accompanies the photo AssClown Loser Lucky. But you won't because then you won't be able to continue to bleat your tired, worn out lines.

You are a master of twisting others words, manipulating posts, being deliberately obtuse, breezing right past what does not agree with your preconceived notions or the current party line and willfully missing the point....all in an effort to try to claim a victory lap and do your little dance.

However, the Minister of Disinformation and Propaganda is proud of good little Useful Idiots like you.

[Clownkicker]

"Barack Obama, right, is dressed as a Somali elder by Sheikh Mahmed Hassan, left, during his visit to Wajir in northeastern Kenya, near the borders with Somalia and Ethiopia. Photograph: AP "

"Barack Obama's campaign team accused Hillary Clinton's beleaguered staff yesterday of mounting a dirty tricks operation by circulating a picture of him in African dress, feeding into false claims on US websites that he is a Muslim."

From your own article that you apparently didn't bother to read, dimwit.
1. The photo had already been published by AP.
2. The team was NOT trying to suggest Obama was a foreigner. They were trying get the dimwitted to think Obama was a Muslim, which rumor did not start with the Clinton campaign. It was already on Right wing websites.


YOUR OWN FRIGGIN' ARTICLE, you moron. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
That's worth eight emoticons.

[johnforbes]

But, of course, Hillary's campaign was indeed seeking to portray Obama as some weird, foreign fellow with a strange name and cloudy background.

The notion was that Hilly, salt of the earth from Arkansas, would be clearly the better choice.

And the sad things is that, given what we now know about Obama's impact on the country (94 million out of the labor force, 12 million illegals demanding "rights," a disaster in foreign policy), Hilly would have been much better as a choice.