[johnforbes]

So the shooting victims are Ft Hood were disarmed on the theory that soldiers on post could be "protected" by civilian rentacops.

And the Islamic psychiatrist who shot them was shouting the terrorist mantra in Arabic.

And the Administration sought to hide the terrorism as mere "workplace violence."

So why give out Purple Hearts to the victims?

[Clownkicker]

This could be it:

"(6) It is not intended that such a strict interpretation of the requirement for the wound or injury to be caused by direct result of hostile action be taken that it would preclude the award being made to deserving personnel. Commanders must also take into consideration, the circumstances surrounding an injury, even if it appears to meet the criteria."

Seems to indicate some discretion about the letter of the rules.

[johnforbes]

I agree there should be some latitude.

But there seems ample hypocrisy on the part of the Administration to try to cover up the terrorist act at the fort and then award Purple Hts.

[sillydaddy]

What the Administration (Obama) is saying....we are going to give you purple hearts just to shut you up even though it was not a terrorist attack. Obama will never admit Hassan is a terrorist.

[Intrepid]

More covering up for a fellow muzzie. Cruz says he's going to push for the financial benefits they would have been eligible for had they been wounded on a battlefield. I hope that's not just election year hyperbole (Elkindoofus, "hyperbole" means exaggeration).

[Clownkicker]

I don't think "hyperbole" is the right word here because hyperbole is an exaggeration that is not meant to be taken literally.
I think Cruz DOES expect the claim to be taken literally.
And I do think he means it, though it is just campaign politics on his part.


The thing I can't buy into is that an attack against a military base can be called "terrorism".

First, a military base is a legitimate target for an enemy of the U.S., if that's what you perceive the guy to be.
Terrorism is something directed against a civilian population, not an army.
Against an army it would be called "an attack".
Second, it is unlikely that any soldiers are/were actually "terrorized" by such violence. They are trained to face it as part of their job and to deal with it.
They don't sit quaking in their boots, immobilized, and fearing another attack as civilians might. They confront it with courage.
A single man with a gun cannot "terrorize" the greatest army in history. Such a claim renders the language meaningless.

This situation doesn't fit any convenient pigeonhole of the past, thus the need for latitude in applying the criteria for Purple Heart eligibility.
Besides, it is unlikely that the President personally had anything to do with the awards. That is usually decided by a different pay grade.

And it should occur to you guys that a Commander in Chief publicly recognizing the attack as "terrorism" only plays into the hands of radical terror groups. Once it is acknowledged as a successful terrorist attack, Al Qaida and such ilk can then brag about how successful they are at striking to the very heart of "The Great Satan".
Why would any responsible CinC hand such powerful recruiting and morale-building propaganda to these groups on a silver platter? It would be stupid to do so, not to mention disrespectful of the fortitude of the soldiers involved.

Publicly 'shrugging it off' is more like swatting an annoying gnat.
It is our military being unconcerned by a futile threat.
Don't voluntarily hand these guys psychological power over us.

[RealJustme]

A single man with a gun cannot "terrorize" the greatest army in history. Such a claim renders the language meaningless.

Nah, killing 13 people and wounding 39 more civilians and military members , all unarmed, while yelling Allahu Akbar had nothing to do with a terrorist action, he was just a blue blooded Christian mad because the lines were so long. :shock:

Dude, hate to bust your bubble but that was a terrorist action.

[Clownkicker]

Tool, go troll somewhere else.

[RealJustme]

Tool, go troll somewhere else.

Clown, u da troll & u node it.

[johnforbes]

You cannot defeat an enemy if you can't even recognize his existence.

Obama has been hoping to deny the existence of terrorism, which was why he lied about Benghazi and Ft Hood.

But the U.S. was attacked by terrorists long ago (e.g., the first World Trade bombing), so fighting terrorism does not create more of it.

[Clownkicker]

So what does your partisan position on terrorism have to do with Purple Hearts for the Ft.Hood victims?

Is an army a legitimate target of the enemy or not?
Is it your position that an attack against a military installation should be considered "terrorism"?
If so, then the U.S. must be found guilty of global terrorism.

[RealJustme]

Clown sees terrorists as freedom fighters and tries to compare them to our men and women proudly serving our country and protecting his right to be stupid. :shock:

Clown I thought you would use your Elk sign on to post something that stupid.

[sillydaddy]

Is it your position that an attack against a military installation should be considered "terrorism"? ~~ Clown

Remember Lebanon, Bombing of U.S. Embassy and Marine Barracks, and the USS Cole ?

[Clownkicker]

Tool, go troll somewhere else.

[Clownkicker]

I remember, sillydaddy.

What's your point?

[johnforbes]

Clownslacker's teeth are like stars -- they shine, and they come out at night.

[Clownkicker]

One would think johnforbes could refrain from his childish schoolyard personal attacks on his own thread, but when he's got nothing intelligent to contribute on the subject of wounded and dead servicemen, what else can he do?

[johnforbes]

I apologize for mentioning Clowngummer's edentulous status.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, this thread proves precisely who lacks "teeth" in their political discussions.

Read this thread from the top. Then tell us:
Who is civil?
Who does the trolling?
Who actually discusses the topic?
Who resorts to petty personal attacks because they lack the intellect to make an argument in support of their position?

There isn't a conservative here who can discus this (or any) topic, even as they pretend they want to.
You pretend I am the one disrupting discussion here when every last one of you, without exception, is incapable of presenting a point of view and then defending that position with reasoned thinking.
Your mind is full of nothing but programmed platitudes and truisms of which you can't even recall their blurry origins.
You accept everything you believe without question and resent anyone who makes you think beyond your simplistic and pretentious "Weltbild".

I leave most threads alone, letting you clowns show us exactly what your minds are capable of.
They're a bunch of 4-post jokes of nothing but talking points and party lines that quickly drop off the first page.
They reflect the substance of your days that suffer the same fate; insignificant and quickly forgotten.
The only threads that go anywhere are the ones I contribute to.

When you can show the dead and wounded some respect on this thread through civil discussion of their fates, I'll contribute a different viewpoint. But as I know you don't want to be exposed to different viewpoints, and in fact are offended by any viewpoints that differ from your own because they expose your ignorance by your inability to refute any of them, I won't bother to post on this thread again until someone contributes something that shows the tiniest bit of thought and integrity.

[johnforbes]

Where Clownhicker comes from, the word "toothbrush" has real meaning.

He has but one tooth.

[elklindo69]

The purple heart is traditionally awarded to troopers who sustained injuries in combat. Then you all of a sudden had a situation where a commissioned army officer went off the edge and went postal. Is it a terrorist attack? I don't think so. The army brass had no idea how to classify the incident. So they called it workplace violence, which was correct to begin with in the first place. But the problem was the way the incident was classified, the rules did not allow for adequate compensation for the victims.

Then all of a sudden the pentagon classified the incident as a terrorist attack and awarded them with the purple heart. Was it merited? I don't think so. I personally think the pentagon should have labeled it as a workplace violence incident and provided compensation for the victims, commensurate with the pain and suffering they have endured, and covered all medical treatments...

[RealJustme]

Elk-Is it a terrorist attack? I don't think so.

Clown burns another cookie :lol: :lol: :lol: