[johnforbes]

Of all the slogans emerging for November, so far I like this one the best.

[Clownkicker]

Of course, johnforbes hasn't lost a single one of his doctors because of the ACA, but that won't stop him from pretending it's a huge problem.

That's because his hypocrisy knows no limits.

[johnforbes]

Well, if I needed doctors (which I don't), there would be family members to fill the void.

And, speaking of voids, Clownhicker's skull is a vast, deformed void.

[Clownkicker]

Typical johnforbes:

He hasn't lost his doctor.
I bet no one he knows has lost their doctor either.

But johnny knows there's a big problem because his handlers told him so, and he never questions his handlers.
What a tool.

[johnforbes]

Typical Clownhicker.

Lost in every meaning of the word.

[Clownkicker]

And yet you can never refute a single thing I say.

What does that make you? (I mean, besides a dimwit.)

[tvd]

Of course, johnforbes hasn't lost a single one of his doctors because of the ACA, but that won't stop him from pretending it's a huge problem.

That's because his hypocrisy knows no limits.

My wife lost her doctors. GP, Obgyn, dermatologist. The Obamacare plan that she selected didn't have her set of doctors in the approved provider list for that plan. It was NOT the cheapest plan either. I wasn't "in the loop" on her selection of plans, but I know for sure it was not the bargain basement plan...it was up at around $350.00 a month for just her.

Her docs, the closest hospital to us, none of that was on the provider list. She lost her doctor. Period.
Even tho she was promised that if she liked her doctor, she could keep him. Right? Period.
The "Affordable Care Act" was not affordable....go figure.

Her insurance was previously provided by her employer, which shut down operations at KSC when the shuttle program was retired, leaving her unemployed after 25 years, AND OBAMA SCREWED THE WHOLE SPACE COAST BY KILLING THE SHUTTLE FOLLOW ON KNOWN AS CONSTELLATION!!!!!
God Damn lying bastard. (That rant was for Grog.)

As an aside, I know many many people without HC insurance right now. I thought it was a law that they had to sign up....hmmm....where could this utopian plan possibly have gone wrong....????

One guy, 50 yrs old, is having rectal bleeding. Serious, dark red blood, sometimes bright red. He has no insurance, and this type of ailment is not going to be cheap. But he has no insurance.....so, the ACA was supposed to handle that, wasn't it? Get those uninsured people insured? Right? WTF???? Why didn't he sign up?
Not affordable, that's why. Not just one guy....I know a whole bunch of them.....

I tell ya....anytime the government gets involved, things go to hell.

[johnforbes]

For any American who wants to look into the future of Obamacare as it evolves toward single payer, just look at the mess in VA hospitals.

[elklindo69]

Yup the VA is "overstaffed."

[johnforbes]

Certainly it is overstaffed in bureaucrats.

But we see, with the VA, the future of single payer in the U.S., the goal to which all good liberals aspire.

[elklindo69]

Anybody who makes a halfassed effort in coming within an earshot of objectivity knows that the VA hospitals don't have the staffing levels to provide immediate care.

They are probably better off outsourcing care to the private sector.

[johnforbes]

Elkin, if you made a slight effort to read, you would know that there is rather wide agreement that the VA, like any bureaucracy, is bloated.

It has plenty of staff, and plenty of money, but not enough medical personnel in the proper places.

Besides, giant VA hospitals are archaic. Just give vets a card to get treatment anywhere.

[Clownkicker]

^^^^^^You saw it here first, folks.

johnforbes comes out in support of single payer socialized medicine.
It's good enough for vets, but not other citizens? :lol:

[johnforbes]

Nobody wants Clownhick to come out of the closet of gayness and ignorance in which he lurks.

Leftists like Obama desire single payer.

Obama has admitted that is the main goal of Obamacare -- an opening wedge.

[Clownkicker]

"Just give vets a card to get treatment anywhere."-johnforbes

^^^^That's single payer, you stupid fuck.
You said it. I point it out to others.
You start talking gay shit.
You stupid fuck.

[elklindo69]

Elkin, if you made a slight effort to read, you would know that there is rather wide agreement that the VA, like any bureaucracy, is bloated.

It has plenty of staff, and plenty of money, but not enough medical personnel in the proper places.

Besides, giant VA hospitals are archaic. Just give vets a card to get treatment anywhere.

Are you trying to play some stupid shell game? Do you think there will be less bureaucracy if they decide to give out cards? Is the SS administration more efficient than the VA? Not to mention the potential for fraud.

Regardless, the government still pays for it you jackass.

[johnforbes]

Elkin, you've always been silly, but you seem to have gotten more delusional in your futile attempt to defend Obama.

The VA hospital system was a bloated, archaic mess 40 years ago. It still is, despite the many promises of Obama to fix it.

The VA setup shows the flaws of single payer, and Obama's failure to fix it underscores the fundamental flaws of Obamacare.

As Obama explained to Kucinich to get his vote on that plane ride, Obamacare is merely one stage along the path to the socialist goal of single payer. To his credit, Obama and Pelosi et al. have admitted that that is their real goal.