[elklindo69]

Favored by Republicans, holds that Mr. Stevens died in a carefully planned assault by Al Qaeda to mark the anniversary of its strike on the United States 11 years before. Republicans have accused the Obama administration of covering up evidence of Al Qaeda’s role to avoid undermining the president’s claim that the group has been decimated, in part because of the raid that killed Osama bin Laden.

The investigation by The Times shows that the reality in Benghazi was different, and murkier, than either of those story lines suggests. Benghazi was not infiltrated by Al Qaeda, but nonetheless contained grave local threats to American interests. The attack does not appear to have been meticulously planned, but neither was it spontaneous or without warning signs.

http://www.nytimes.com/projects/2013/be ... #/?chapt=0

[RealJustme]

Elk still thinks it was because of a movie. :lol:

[johnforbes]

What has the Times "exposed"?

Obama, Hillary, and Rice clearly lied. State knew almost instantly that the attack was coordinated, done by terrorists, and they just made up the movie story later.

And the usage "Benghazi Truther" is labored nonsense of the sort found on leftists web sites.

All any reasonable person wanted was for Obama to tell the truth all along about Benghazi. The security situation there was deteriorating, and it was widely known, but still the embassy outpost was not secured, the ambassador was killed, no help was sent, and Obama-Rice-Hilly all embarked on coordinated lies afterward.

[Grog]

We should wait for Fox News' critical analysis of this reportage. Fox has spent many, many millions of dollars via thousands of hours of air time to the Betrayal and Butchery in Benghazi, as such their assessment will Fair, Balanced and Unafraid.

[johnforbes]

It would be a disgrace for any president to lie about a dead ambassador and dead people who tried to save those at the embassy/outpost.

Obama is making Nixon look good.

Obama lied repeatedly about Benghazi, the IRS, Obamacare, etc.

[2X8]

Bob: "Hey Jim, did you hear about the Obama administration scandal?
Jim: "You mean the Mexican gun running?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean SEAL Team 6?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Obama saying the avg family would save $2,500 on their premiums?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Forcing businesses to violate their religious beliefs by paying for drugs that abort the unborn?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Violating the rights and sanctity of our Churches?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Spending $634 million on a website that doesn't work?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Obama calling for an increase in our debt when he lambasted Bush for the very same thing?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Obama having NSA spy on 124 Billion Phone Calls in One Month?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Saddling our kids with $17 trillion in debt of which they can
never get out of and will not have as good a life as we have?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Bailing out Detroit after decades of corrupt Democratic management?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean the State Dept. lying about Benghazi?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean voter fraud?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Intentionally trying to hurt Americans during the sequester?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Blocking veterans who secured our freedoms from their monuments but giving the green light for Illegal’s to use Monument Mall?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Denying school kids the ability to tour the White House but still spending lavishly on his parties?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean Obama saying we can keep our insurance and doctors if we wanted to?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean the military not getting their votes counted?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The NSA monitoring foreign diplomats?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean the use of drones in our own country without the benefit of the law?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Giving 123 Technologies $300 Million and right after it declared bankruptcy and was sold to the Chinese?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean the president arming the Muslim Brotherhood?"
Bob: "No the other one.
Jim: "The IRS targeting conservatives?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The DOJ spying on the press?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Sebelius shaking down health insurance executives?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean Obama spending $3.7 Trillion on Welfare Over Last 5 Years"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Giving SOLYNDRA $500 MILLION DOLLARS and 3 months later they declared bankruptcy and then the Chinese bought it?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The NSA monitoring our phone calls, emails and everything else?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Millions of Americans losing their health care coverage?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Forcing Americans to include coverage in their insurance policies of items they do not want?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Ordering the release of nearly 10,000 illegal immigrants from jails and prisons, and falsely blaming the sequester?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Denying Arizona the right to protect its borders?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Providing weapons to Syrian rebels many of whom apparently are Al Qaeda"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The president's repeated violation of the law requiring him to submit a budget no later than the first Monday in February?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The 2012 vote where 115% of all registered voters in some counties voted 100% for Obama?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The president's unconstitutional recess appointments in an attempt to circumvent the Senate's advise-and-consent role?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The State Department interfering with an Inspector General investigation on departmental sexual misconduct?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Clinton, the IRS, Clapper and Holder all lying to Congress?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The President using nearly $1 trillion dollars of stimulus money to fund his cronies?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean Fast & Furious?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "I give up! ... Oh wait, I think I got it! You mean that 65 million low-information voters who don't pay taxes and get free stuff from taxpayers and stuck us again with the most pandering, corrupt administration in American history?"
Bob: "THAT'S THE ONE!

[elklindo69]

Elk still thinks it was because of a movie. :lol:

So what has your buddy Issa uncovered?

It seems that a journalist just schooled him...

:lol:

[RealJustme]

So what has your buddy Issa uncovered?

Obama lied, Americans died.

[elklindo69]

What has the Times "exposed"?

Obama, Hillary, and Rice clearly lied. State knew almost instantly that the attack was coordinated, done by terrorists, and they just made up the movie story later.

And the usage "Benghazi Truther" is labored nonsense of the sort found on leftists web sites.

All any reasonable person wanted was for Obama to tell the truth all along about Benghazi. The security situation there was deteriorating, and it was widely known, but still the embassy outpost was not secured, the ambassador was killed, no help was sent, and Obama-Rice-Hilly all embarked on coordinated lies afterward.

What terrorists?

So al qaeda was involved?

Says who? Even faux news didn't even go that far...

[johnforbes]

The usage "Benghazi Truthers" is the sort of childish stuff found on leftist sites.

The best evidence suggests that the outpost in Benghazi was being scouted in advance, with one defender there mentioning suspicious photo-taking from nearby in the days before.

Very few people carry rocket launchers in their jeans pockets, or any of the other tools used over the many hours of the attack, so State -- and Obama and Rice and Hillary -- knew almost instantly it was NOT a spontaneous attack caused by a video.

A crucial election was looming, so they lied.

Rice lied on 5 or 6 shows the next Sunday, and Obama lied in the Rose Garden despite the best effort of Candy Crowley to bail him out.

[elklindo69]

The usage "Benghazi Truthers" is the sort of childish stuff found on leftist sites.

The best evidence suggests that the outpost in Benghazi was being scouted in advance, with one defender there mentioning suspicious photo-taking from nearby in the days before.

Very few people carry rocket launchers in their jeans pockets, or any of the other tools used over the many hours of the attack, so State -- and Obama and Rice and Hillary -- knew almost instantly it was NOT a spontaneous attack caused by a video.

A crucial election was looming, so they lied.

Rice lied on 5 or 6 shows the next Sunday, and Obama lied in the Rose Garden despite the best effort of Candy Crowley to bail him out.

Lying to congress is a crime. So why didn't Issa charge her?

[johnforbes]

Whew, what a dumb remark.

[elklindo69]

White house doesn't dispute the NYT report.

So either you lie or they lie?

Where's Issa? He knows....

[johnforbes]

"Benghazi Truthers"? That iss the sort of childish stuff found on leftist sites.

The best evidence suggests that the outpost in Benghazi was being scouted in advance, with one defender there mentioning suspicious photo-taking from nearby in the days before.

Very few people carry rocket launchers in their pockets, or any of the other tools used over the many hours of the attack, so State -- and Obama and Rice and Hillary -- knew almost instantly it was NOT a spontaneous attack caused by a video.

A crucial election was looming, so they lied.

Rice lied on 5 or 6 shows the next Sunday, and Obama lied in the Rose Garden despite the best effort of Candy Crowley to bail him out.