[RealJustme]

White House admits Obama's plan won’t balance budget.

From the March 12, 2013 White House press conference:

Q: “When you say balanced, you don’t mean balanced …”

White House press secretary Jay Carney: “I mean a balanced "approach" to deficit reduction that includes asking everyone to pay their share.”

Q: “But it won’t be a balanced budget, right?”

Carney: “No.

[BilboBagend]

Obama's budget is as he targets the importance of economic recovery vs deficit reduction. There is nothing magical about absolute deficit elimination, contrary to the delusional fantasies of some people.

Now, Ryan's "budget" isn't even a budget by his own admission. He calls his budget "an expression of ideals", not a economically working or for that matter a mathematically working budget. It's full of ridiculous assumptions, delusional expectations, and bad math. Just a malignant fantasy.

Then there is the constant dishonest chant we have heard for years that neither Obama of the Democrats in Congress have come up with a budget in forever. Simply a bold faced lie. Each has come up with budgets each year and each has published those budgets and each has proposed them to the House. Republicans simply ignore their existence and say they don't exist. A simple bold faced lies to the morons on this board who eat up all the lies they are handed. Do ya justupid.

You keep this up justupid. You nail down you delusional, dishonest reputation with every post.

[RealJustme]

Obama's budget is as he targets the importance of economic recovery vs deficit reduction. There is nothing magical about absolute deficit elimination, contrary to the delusional fantasies of some people.

Come on just spit it out, Obama wants to tax and spend more, that's his budget.

[DarknLadyJedi]

Actually Obama has been putting out a budget every year. The Senate refuses to even consider it as it would work towards cutting the deficit.

Some of his ideas are actually pretty good if you read his budgets.

[Freedman]

Actually Obama has been putting out a budget every year. The Senate refuses to even consider it as it would work towards cutting the deficit.

Some of his ideas are actually pretty good if you read his budgets.

I agree Obama's budgets would have had us on track and under deficit had Congress acted upon his suggestions.

[Leroy]

Actually Obama has been putting out a budget every year. The Senate refuses to even consider it as it would work towards cutting the deficit.

Some of his ideas are actually pretty good if you read his budgets.

I agree Obama's budgets would have had us on track and under deficit had Congress acted upon his suggestions.

You should go back and read them again, you're completely wrong. His budgets increase spending beyond cuts, they only cut insignificant amounts OVER A DECADE OR MORE, and they harm this country.

[Freedman]

You should go back and read them again, you're completely wrong. His budgets increase spending beyond cuts

What you non numbers guys don't understand that there a point where spending actually creates more jobs and encourages businesses to expand, thus brings in more revenue than the spending. I feel it would have worked but we'll never know because republicans wanted Obama to fail and they wouldn't allow his plans to pass. The mess we're in is 100% the republican's fault.

[Leroy]

You should go back and read them again, you're completely wrong. His budgets increase spending beyond cuts

What you non numbers guys don't understand that there a point where spending actually creates more jobs and encourages businesses to expand, thus brings in more revenue than the spending. I feel it would have worked but we'll never know because republicans wanted Obama to fail and they wouldn't allow his plans to pass. The mess we're in is 100% the republican's fault.

What you liberals don't understand is there is only CREATING JOBS when it doesn't cost tax payers MORE THAN THEY ARE WORTH - in other words, government jobs only grow and cost the middle class tons of money, but, if you were to say that "Private Sector" investment and spending creates jobs, you would be mostly right, as long as it's not done with government funds that are not repaid.

That's what you liberals don't understand, you can't continue the spending without continuing to harm the country.

[Freedman]

What you liberals don't understand is there is only CREATING JOBS when it doesn't cost tax payers MORE THAN THEY ARE WORTH - in other words, government jobs only grow and cost the middle class tons of money

Wrong, well paid Federal workers contribute a lot to this Country, the money they spend actually creates non government jobs which results in more revenue. Take away money from Government workers and they end up with less money to spend, therefore less non Government jobs = less revenue. Plus what you fail to acknowledge is that well paid Government workers pay taxes themselves, those taxes pay for other Government workers, so you have Government workers actually paying for other Government workers who all spend money and create non Government jobs. Win, win, simple economics.

[Leroy]

What you liberals don't understand is there is only CREATING JOBS when it doesn't cost tax payers MORE THAN THEY ARE WORTH - in other words, government jobs only grow and cost the middle class tons of money

Wrong, well paid Federal workers contribute a lot to this Country, the money they spend actually creates non government jobs which results in more revenue. Take away money from Government workers and they end up with less money to spend, therefore less non Government jobs = less revenue. Plus what you fail to acknowledge is that well paid Government workers pay taxes themselves, those taxes pay for other Government workers, so you have Government workers actually paying for other Government workers who all spend money and create non Government jobs. Win, win, simple economics.

Wrong, every penny paid to a federal worker comes off the backs of non-gov workers, hurting non-gov workers more and more as the gov increases in size, demanding more and more from non-gov workers to keep it going - and Fed workers are paid more and provide less benefit than private workers.

Without Gov workers, privatizing it, the country would save tons of money and it would operate more efficiently.

Gov jobs, other than National Defense, are a waste of tax payer money.

[Freedman]

Wrong, every penny paid to a federal worker comes off the backs of non-gov workers

You start your statement off with a lie. Government workes also pay taxes, the rumour that Government workers don't pay taxes is also a lie. The taxes they pay also goes to pay for other Government workers.

[Leroy]

Wrong, every penny paid to a federal worker comes off the backs of non-gov workers

You start your statement off with a lie. Government workes also pay taxes, the rumour that Government workers don't pay taxes is also a lie. The taxes they pay also goes to pay for other Government workers.

Nope, your statement is a lie - they can't pay taxes unless they get money from the non-fed workers that are taxed. The money the fed worker pays in taxes came from the non-fed worker - dumbass.

Face it, a Fed Worker can't be a Fed worker without non-Fed workers paying for them.

[Freedman]

Face it, a Fed Worker can't be a Fed worker without non-Fed workers paying for them.

But it's true that Federal workers " pay taxes" that goes towards the salary of other Federal workers and Federal workers spend money "that means more jobs" and "more revenue"...basic economics Sherlock!

[DarknLadyJedi]

Freedman is not a liberal. At least liberals can claim that that want to better the US.

Freedman openly supports the illegal overthrow of the government and the destruction of the United States.

[Leroy]

Face it, a Fed Worker can't be a Fed worker without non-Fed workers paying for them.

But it's true that Federal workers " pay taxes" that goes towards the salary of other Federal workers and Federal workers spend money "that means more jobs" and "more revenue"...basic economics Sherlock!

You just don't get it, let me explain it like this:

Non-Fed worker makes money from private companies
Non-Fed worker is taxed many times, multiple ways
Non-Fed worker has their income diminished by taxes
Gov collects taxes from Non-Fed worker even if worker disagrees with the tax
Fed worker works, gets paid by Government
Fed workers wages, paid by Government, are completely derived from taxes paid by Non-Fed workers
Fed workers wages, taxed, are the product of money paid to the government by Non-Fed workers

In essence, while Fed workers are charged tax on their earnings, since their ENTIRE WAGE is derived from taxes paid by Non-Fed workers, the Gov is effectively collecting taxes on taxes.

So, the amount of Taxes paid by Fed workers is only possible because a Non-Fed worker was taxed in order to provide those wages to the Fed worker.

So, in simple terms, all FED workers are a drain on Non-Fed workers, they are harming the economy, they are costing tax payers increased amounts for less and less return, and they are often paid 15-30% more than their non-Fed worker counterparts. That also means that our taxes are being wasted paying people wages that could be billed to private companies at a lower rate, saving tax payers even more money.

[Freedman]

So, in simple terms, all FED workers are a drain on Non-Fed workers, they are harming the economy

No Government workers actually provide mcuh needed services while paying taxes and spending money that creates more jobs and revenue. Economics 101.

[Leroy]

So, in simple terms, all FED workers are a drain on Non-Fed workers, they are harming the economy

No Government workers actually provide mcuh needed services while paying taxes and spending money that creates more jobs and revenue. Economics 101.

No, government workers increase the cost of almost every service that could be provided by private companies, stifle competition, and force the tax payers to pay more and more and more.

The government worker actually, in almost every case, provides a LOSS to tax payers.

Government workers use tax money to pay their taxes, dumbass. Government workers don't create NET jobs better than the private companies do.

Economics 301.

[elklindo69]

It's always academic until the vomit doesn't get scraped off the park benches, the roads don't get plowed, or if the vermin are copulating on the trash bags in the front of your house, which hasn't been picked up by the sanitation dept because the teabagger on the local city council defunded the DPW budget....

[Leroy]

It's always academic until the vomit doesn't get scraped off the park benches, the roads don't get plowed, or if the vermin are copulating on the trash bags in the front of your house, which hasn't been picked up by the sanitation dept because the teabagger on the local city council defunded the DPW budget....

Maybe you missed it, but I said that Fed/State government workers, the majority, could be replaced by cheaper private companies - and in case you've missed it also, many areas have private refuse collection companies.

[RealJustme]

or if the vermin are copulating on the trash bags in the front of your house, which hasn't been picked up by the sanitation dept

???don't know about your sanitation department but mine won't get of their truck to pick up any trash in front of anyone's home. If you don't have the trash can lined up perfectly for their lift forks when they drive by, they skip your trash can, if you have so much trash in the can that the lid doesn't close completely they charge you extra. Getting out of their truck to pick up trash in front of someone's home isn't in their contract and they won't even slow down when they drive by. Our trash guys are paid $80.00 an hour to operate the lift.

[BilboBagend]

Here's the most amazing fact. The most highly praised budge proposal (when evaluated for it's proposals, but not when evaluated for it's authors) is the progressive caucus budget proposal. The progressive caucus budget proposals are the proposals most favored by economists and business people. They are in fact the most rational and fact based budget proposals available and lead to the greatest real long term deficit reductions and the greatest real long term economic growth.

But that is what you get when you deal in real facts and rational proposals.

[RealJustme]

The best plan form America and our future is not to pass a buget and continue to allow the sequester to force cuts. As long as the sequester is in effect, politicians won't dare hold extravagant meetings or send their teenagers to Cancun and their wifes to Aspen on the tax payers' dime. Michelle has to be foaming at the mouth that she can't use Air Force Two on her New York shopping sprees and had to cancell her Spain vacation planned for next month.

Even the DOW agrees the sequester is good for America, let it take the next round of cuts...goooooo sequester.