[TheJerk]

As a viewer and several time subscriber to Redclouds and Homeclips for over a decade I would like to know just one thing. Whose idea was it to start MFF. If that was Igor than I will refuse to go to VC. However, if that remains a VW product then off to ******** I go. This site is unique in that people GIVE their contributions to be viewed by all. Redclouds and homeclips already make money through their subscription base. I have subscribed several times and felt with redclouds the value is there but with homeclips I payed too much. The internet is filled with porn. The ENTIRE reason I like this format is because the girls are real. The ones i like the best are the girls who kind of look like my wife. Second runner up are the abnormally attractive women. The ones that you do see on the street from time to time, they're real girls who are brave enough to show their beauty to the world. Any time I see a girl who looks like all the other porn stars out there I skip them. As many of you know this is not a very friendly place for breast implants either, and I think that backs up my notion that the hottest girls are the ones that look more like a normal woman that you might encounter in real life. That is not to say that all the girls in MFF are fake looking, but when you take away the amateur-ness of the photos you take away the key element that this site has to keep people coming back. Furthermore, like I said these photos are gifted, and when there are already two pay sites I, and a lot of other people are insulted and turned off to be asked for more money. So which is it VW, was MFF an Igor thing, or a VW thing.

And PS. I haven't payed much attention lately but CAM used to address everybody as Man, in every photo "Man, those are great hangers" "Man, you have an awesome ass".....it was lame to use that word as much as he did and horrible that he would address women that way, man.

[jwjoe]

I agree, wholeheartedly. MFF was irritating. Theres plenty of professional porn out there already and what MFF was offering wasnt in any way special other than taking up space on the redclouds page.

[wenigs]

I also can only agree with what was said before. I absolutely loved RC. Nothing beats the amateur perspective - simply because it is something one can really relate to. MFF was (will be??) a distraction. One can only hope RC returns for starters, and if so, without MFF.

[seskey]

I wish this board would have been around before such a disaster :roll: might not have taken place.

I agree MFF was kind of scam :evil: for making money. The moment an MFF appeared any sections I used to skip that altogether.

I believe 'TheJerk' have spoken for majority.

Thanks

[ouchita]

The Jerk doesn't sound so jerky to me. The thing that turned me off the most was the MFF contris in redclouds. While all the women were SUPPOSED to be engaged in their chosen sex act, almost every pic had them looking directly at the camera. To me, that isn't the natural thing to do if you are enjoying what you are doing... I know some women do, but that added to the perfect environment, perfect lighting, perfect view of the parts, and perfect models all combined to turn me off.

[abby]

The MMF was the final straw for me like many of you. To me VW has always been about having a secure place to chat and let the alter ego go where it may. I would post and cam when I wanted and even at 50 I knew someone would enjoy it. Over the last year or so VW to me became more of a regret than a place to have fun. I did not renew my membership last month. At this point I guess we just wait and see what happens.

Love you all and hope you get up and running soon.

Abby

[TheJerk]

And let us not forget that a large portion of the pictures were obviously over a decade old. From the ancient computer equipment in the background to the panties pulled up higher than the girls belly button, it is hard to fool a community. The other gripe I had was that the models seemed to cater to the nylon/pantyhose fans. Personally I find the look gross, and it seemed that (unlike a real amateur) they would take pictures specifically for these fetishists.

[katmandu]

I agree DUMP MFF

[DarknLadyJedi]

I agree completely with getting rid of MFF as this should be a site for amateurs, but I don't think they are going to do it.

Latest home page lists VoyeurWeb, Redclouds, Homeclips, Funbags, and Models For Fun.

[Gempix]

I agree DUMP MFF

I concur! And make Funbags a free site, at least to those that subscribe to any of the other premium sites. :-)

[Dude]

Don`t understand where`s the problem not clicking on things you don`t like?? Every sections contris been clearly recognizable and than it`s up to me if I click on it or not. Problem is (like everywhere in life) demanding is much easier than giving and I learned in my life people with biggest demands giving rarely something. So I wondering how many of the haters had a subscription to MFF? Or just pissed to have to pay to see the whole thing instead getting all for free?

It`s allways good to have a wide bandwith off offers - for the site AND for their users. Everybody have this likes and mislikes and so wider the range so bigger the chance to get his very own pick out of it. If they do a section with Grannies - fine with me, I`m sure that there people who love to see Grannies. Not my cup of tea but noone force me to watch them if I don`t like.

If you say there are plenty of pro sites outa there, correct. But there are also a lot of amateursites around, I`m right? But in both cases not a lot good ones.

And it is nice to see clear galleries, a real fuck from dressed until cumshot and every day plenty of updates. So the value been there on MFF with no doubt and the comments mirroring 3 things: 1. that a lot of users liked it 2. some don`t liked it 3.that the comments for one and the same set been going from awesome to crappy BS. One commented I love this outfit, the next I hate it. Impossible to make it right for everyone. So a wide range to choose from and tolerance is the key here in my opinion.

P.S. Last demand over this post: "make Funbags free". Nothing is free in life and I`m certain that noone who is asking for free stuff ever paid employees, servers and I don`t know what. Not ONE here or elsewhere want and can work for free, I`m wrong??

EVERY woman on earth have his own beauty - for every viewer in a different way. Only that this are paid models they have boobs, legs and other nice bodyparts to look at or I`m wrong here?

Back to demanding - if everybody is yelling so strong to straight amateurstuff please get your cam, YOUR wife and SUBMITT instead demanding this and that. Compare numbers of visitors with amount of contris... And than the demand... Every mobile phone makes good pics today and I don`t understand why some Contris are so poor from photo quality. Than I prefer sometimes to look at a semi pro and not on blurry loveless taken pics in 5 same poses.

No offense, just my point of view.

[STCL]

@ Dude....nice post! I agree with you .... I think there needs to be all kinds of variety to encompass everyone's wants and needs!

If you do not want to look at MFF, then simply do not click the link or sign up!

Like I said earlier....I like VW/RC and all that came with it! I think it should be put back just the way it was....


In the mean time, I guess I will just have to work on some contri material!

[drskippy]

MFF could be set up the way RC9 appeared to have been, with "professional" sites that have a contributor relationship with VW. There are some very hot contris from MFF "models", but I'm not yet inspired to bug a whole new membership....

I say drop MFF or redesign it as an affiliation for "professional" models who still wish to contribute while maintaining a business website.

[DarknLadyJedi]

Don`t understand where`s the problem not clicking on things you don`t like??

I had two problems with it:

1) When flipping through contributions from real amateurs these pro photo shoots would show up.
2) A bunch of professionally done photos make the amateurs look bad. And what woman wants to compete with pros? Even if they can't win money they are still setting an example that regular posters can't compete with, and comment posters don't seem to make much distinction between the MFF pro's and the real amateurs.

[Dude]

Hi Lady and Dark,

1. so far I remember there been textlinks and not photos marked with a pink line. So clearly marked and no argument. If Grannysection comes and they are marked green I don`t click on green links, easy.

2. if a wife thinks she`s in competion with a Hollywood star (owerdrawn said) it`s her problem. I also don`t have a problem seeing a Ferrari beside my ordinary car and I don`t compare or get jealous. I know the Hollywwod Diva spends thousands for their look what a ordinary woman can`t afford and a Ferrari costs x times more than my car.

3. a lot of the MFF Ladies been Amateurs - just taking more care to provide good quality photos and nice locations/sets.

The comments: Bad people are everywhere and if everyone can comment freely without registering as anonymous user you get this problem cuz some idiots feel safe in the dark. Like a other poster said here commenting only allowed for registered users and I´m sure 90% of the idiots will run away and the site and contributors will end up with more polite comments. The fact that the rudest comments comes from the free areas underline this fact.

Live and let live.

[machx4]

I don't think that MFF fits. I thought the whole thing was about real women. There are plenty of places to see models with fake boobs and retouched photos.

[LXIX]

Clearly the removal of MFF is a popular subject and will be the determining factor of many, including this couple, as to whether they will continue to support this site or not. The magic of VW, RC & HC was knowing when you logged on, you would get to see what the girls and guys next door had to share. No ficition, no models, just real people having fun, sharing their enjoyment with the rest of us.

To address the "you don't have to click contris marked MFF" solution.

Sure, don't click that contri. However, eventually we will find ourselves having to search everyday for the few contris that aren't MFFs. Mark this couples words. The time will come when the vast majority of content will be this MFF garbage. The wonderful and loyal contributors who built and sustain this community will go away and the magic will be lost. This has happened with many sites in the past. Anyone tried finding a "real" video on youporn in the last 4 years?

So VW, RC & HC, We ask you, please don't let the community we have built here die.

LXIX
Loyal Visitors and paying members since 1999

[Corwin]

I too feel that MFF is not what VoyeurWeb is about. There are lots of websites of models, that is not why we come here. If you feel VW really needs MFF, make it a separate page, don't pollute the amateur pages with MFF.

[Gempix]

I don't think that MFF fits. I thought the whole thing was about real women. There are plenty of places to see models with fake boobs and retouched photos.

That's my point, exactly. VW/RC/HC/FB/etc... this is an amateur site. Not that I don't like MFF, but to me it just goes against the grain. I'd rather MFF stuff be peppered in with the sponsored links, not peppered in with the amateurs.

[Paulbrx]

As someone already suggested, why can't MFF be on its own page? I come hear to interact with real amateur people. There are several ladies and couples that I really enjoy talking to on RC, HC and VW. I don't want to plop down another $19.95 to have access to MFF girls. For that matter, I almost never even look at MFF contris. To me, it just isn't the same as people who freely share their pictures. On a few of the MFF girls who used to be free contributors on VW, I have asked them to visit us on the VW forums. To date, no one has stopped by to visit. My sympathies go to the ladies/couples who socialize with us and become our friends. Whether MFF stays or goes, I will not use it.

Paul

[bk383]

ok, help me out her. What is MFF?

[bk383]

What is MFF?

[DarknLadyJedi]

Dude, if you go through the picture selection by clicking next the MFF titles are mixed in. If you go through them by selecting each individual contri yes, you can avoid them. But I like the next button instead of going back and forth, especially with preview.

MFF is Models For Fun, the professional pictures that are intermixed with the amateur pictures.

[bk383]

Thank you DarkJedi & LadyJedi
I saw the MFF but never paided much attention to it.

[MrBiscuit]

Long time member, 1998. Never went to the MFF site so I can only post one thing. Stay the hell away from it and don't look. When a thread headlines with "How do you like my bitch's fake tits?" I don't look, simple as that. Is there some reason that y'all are all hot to trot on getting rid of whatever this MFF site is? Maybe I'm missing something..... Okay, I'm done bitching.

[jwjoe]

Part of my issue with MFF is that they were trying to upsell the RC members. RC members pay for RC content (probably why they were advertising there and not in the free sections), and I personally did not like the fact that a large portion of the RC space was used for advertising for some other package. I dunno, it has just seemed that VW has been moving away from the homespun amateur site it used to be... to something more polished and commercial.

[Sumfun]

I don't think that MFF fits. I thought the whole thing was about real women. There are plenty of places to see models with fake boobs and retouched photos.

That's my point, exactly. VW/RC/HC/FB/etc... this is an amateur site. Not that I don't like MFF, but to me it just goes against the grain. I'd rather MFF stuff be peppered in with the sponsored links, not peppered in with the amateurs.

I totally agree MFF should be dropped, its is not amatuers and i think it decries from all the fine women on RC

[JJandKJB]

Don`t understand where`s the problem not clicking on things you don`t like?? Every sections contris been clearly recognizable and than it`s up to me if I click on it or not. Problem is (like everywhere in life) demanding is much easier than giving and I learned in my life people with biggest demands giving rarely something. So I wondering how many of the haters had a subscription to MFF? Or just pissed to have to pay to see the whole thing instead getting all for free?

It`s allways good to have a wide bandwith off offers - for the site AND for their users. Everybody have this likes and mislikes and so wider the range so bigger the chance to get his very own pick out of it. If they do a section with Grannies - fine with me, I`m sure that there people who love to see Grannies. Not my cup of tea but noone force me to watch them if I don`t like.

If you say there are plenty of pro sites outa there, correct. But there are also a lot of amateursites around, I`m right? But in both cases not a lot good ones.

And it is nice to see clear galleries, a real fuck from dressed until cumshot and every day plenty of updates. So the value been there on MFF with no doubt and the comments mirroring 3 things: 1. that a lot of users liked it 2. some don`t liked it 3.that the comments for one and the same set been going from awesome to crappy BS. One commented I love this outfit, the next I hate it. Impossible to make it right for everyone. So a wide range to choose from and tolerance is the key here in my opinion.

P.S. Last demand over this post: "make Funbags free". Nothing is free in life and I`m certain that noone who is asking for free stuff ever paid employees, servers and I don`t know what. Not ONE here or elsewhere want and can work for free, I`m wrong??

EVERY woman on earth have his own beauty - for every viewer in a different way. Only that this are paid models they have boobs, legs and other nice bodyparts to look at or I`m wrong here?

Back to demanding - if everybody is yelling so strong to straight amateurstuff please get your cam, YOUR wife and SUBMITT instead demanding this and that. Compare numbers of visitors with amount of contris... And than the demand... Every mobile phone makes good pics today and I don`t understand why some Contris are so poor from photo quality. Than I prefer sometimes to look at a semi pro and not on blurry loveless taken pics in 5 same poses.

No offense, just my point of view.

Dude,
I'm guessing that you have not contributed much in the way of pics or contris.
When the MFF idea was first introduced, we considered stepping up our contributions into live cams, way more explicit content and having fun with it.
Then the MFF models began to appear and our motivation to share went out the door.

The professionals get naked and have sex for money not for the fun, excitement and making new friends.
They represent the exact opposite of what we stand for and why I joined to begin with.

IMO, the MFF models became a part of VW / RC and changed the landscape and quality of the site and they directly ended my contributions.
I personally do not want to be associated the the "professional" models in any way.
Real amateurs is the reason we joined and began to share, if MFF continues to be a part of this site, my pictures will not be.

JJ

[JJandKJB]

VC have also stolen all of my contributions to VW and can kiss my ass!

JJ

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[seskey]

Shall i speak conveniently for every one ... When VW returns there shall be NO MFF section at all. Votes please ..

[cowboy16]

Totally agree with the comments for MFF - very self-serving and truly deviates away from the integrity of what RC was all about.

[Bonestuffer]

GET RID OF MFF!!!! IT DOESEN'T BELONG IN OUR COMMUNITY!!!! :evil:

[Georgieporgie]

I agree with getting rid of MFF? I usually try to avoid the MFF post. At least give it it's own page so anyone who want to avoid MFF can do so simply.

[MadisonWI]

BTW the ancient stuff in the MFF photos is because they were mostly from Russia or Eastern Europe. The photos themselves were in fact new.

[fendt818]

I find MFF okay, but you've right, this have not to be in voyeurweb or redclouds.

[SosaiX]

There's another very valid point being overlooked here in regard to the MFF fiasco; for years, amateur contributors like Lexo and others have graced the pages of RC and loyal paying members like myself have continued to pay our RC dues, secure in the knowledge that our dues will get us access to those shots.

Now, out of nowhere, someone had the bright idea to "move the goalposts" on us by making these contris MFF-only to attempt make an extra quick buck on top of the quick buck you're already making off me. Fine, that's your prerogative as a business. But it's my prerogative as a customer to tell you to go pound sand for so drastically changing the accepted rules after so long.

[stanc22]

I have to agree with what I read as the general tone that MFF is just an attempt to wrangle more dollars from your viewers. I am sorry I signed up and if I could, I would trade back the remaining access time for my money. While I adore HC I am even considering abandoning it and not renewing my subscription because I see MFF as a diversion from the amateur and exciting value of VW.

[SosaiX]

Interesting how over 24 hours have gone by and we still haven't gotten an answer to a very simple question; whose idea was it for MFF; Igor's, or Voyeurweb's?

It's a simple question, VW. Care to let us know?