[Leroy]

It's real simple, Obama has done all he can to lower the standards for our Military in order to make things "Fair" for people that can't meet the standards, and now this:

(CNSNews.com) – Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Thursday that with women now eligible to fill combat roles in the military, commanders must justify why any woman might be excluded – and, if women can’t meet any unit’s standard, the Pentagon will ask: “Does it really have to be that high?”

[DarknLadyJedi]

What I want to know is are the different physical fitness tests for men and women going to be eliminated or are we going to maintain that women doing the same job as men do not have to be as physically capable to do that job?

[Leroy]

What I want to know is are the different physical fitness tests for men and women going to be eliminated or are we going to maintain that women doing the same job as men do not have to be as physically capable to do that job?

And that has been my bitch since I joined - Women come into the military, good jobs that would normally be done by men are assigned to women, so the men get the shit overseas jobs when they would have normally been assigned a good state-side job. And the PT tests, yes, women have a lower PT standard than Men do.

So, take away gender from all Military positions, remove the separate advancement path for women, make the test (all types) the same across the board, and don't lower the test requirements, in fact, increase them, make it so that only the best can pass, not this liberal bullshit of lowering all standards so that everyone can be the same, people are not the same.

[elklindo69]

What I want to know is are the different physical fitness tests for men and women going to be eliminated or are we going to maintain that women doing the same job as men do not have to be as physically capable to do that job?

In the army women have lower requirements to get 100% for PT test.

Army MOS standards are the same for women and men.

[elklindo69]

What I want to know is are the different physical fitness tests for men and women going to be eliminated or are we going to maintain that women doing the same job as men do not have to be as physically capable to do that job?

And that has been my bitch since I joined - Women come into the military, good jobs that would normally be done by men are assigned to women, so the men get the shit overseas jobs when they would have normally been assigned a good state-side job. And the PT tests, yes, women have a lower PT standard than Men do.

So, take away gender from all Military positions, remove the separate advancement path for women, make the test (all types) the same across the board, and don't lower the test requirements, in fact, increase them, make it so that only the best can pass, not this liberal bullshit of lowering all standards so that everyone can be the same, people are not the same.

Leroy...I'm not sure what your talking about? Army MOS standards are the same for both women and men. And Panetta said that the MOS requirements will stay the same for implementation of combat roles. And they are currently, since women already pilot aircraft in combat role.

Now I really don't see what the big deal is over this. Because from serving time in the national guard, the vast majority of women don't want those jobs. And for instance, the vast majority of women who attend Ranger school flunk out anyway.

[DarknLadyJedi]

I can't speak for the Army but I can for the Marines, and since promotion scores factor in physical fitness that means females can advance faster being less fit.

Honestly the only issue I have with females in the military is smell. Females smell different than males and are easier to find in a field environment for males, while most males smell close enough that unless there are major diet differences the natural odor isn't noticeable. I can guess that females may have an easier time locating males by smell so this may cancel itself out. And females in other militaries seem to be doing OK.

That being said, the same standard should be applied across the board for all military members.

[Leroy]

Leroy...I'm not sure what your talking about? Army MOS standards are the same for both women and men. And Panetta said that the MOS requirements will stay the same for implementation of combat roles. And they are currently, since women already pilot aircraft in combat role.

Now I really don't see what the big deal is over this. Because from serving time in the national guard, the vast majority of women don't want those jobs. And for instance, the vast majority of women who attend Ranger school flunk out anyway.

Here is the Marine PT standard for MEN: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/marines/l/blfitmale.htm
Here is the Marine PT standard for Women: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/marines/ ... female.htm

Here is the Navy PT standard for Men: http://www.navy-prt.com/malestandard/20-24.html
Here is the Navy PT standard for Women: http://www.navy-prt.com/femalestandard/17-19.html

Here is the Air Force PT standard for Men: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/army/l/b ... 17to21.htm
Here is the Air Force PT standard for Women: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/army/l/b ... 17to21.htm

I didn't bother with Army, but, did you notice that there is a significant difference between Men and Women for the Standards? Yep, women are not expected to provide as much strength or endurance as Men in the Military - and that figures into Every non-desk job in any branch.

"Just like the Army, the Marines use results from the Physical Fitness Test as part of their enlisted promotion system."

Additionally, the Women get additional time, already, for their CFT Requirement - "Maneuvering under fire" testing - women get more than 30 seconds additional time, closer to 45 seconds in the 17-26 age group.

All of these "Easier" testing standards show that the Military understands that there IS a difference between men and women, which anyone would be stupid to deny, but it also shows that the Military has been polluted by liberal think - meaning that the zealots that lower the stands and then put women in combat with men are not thinking about the PHYSICAL side of combat at all - Do you really believe that your Average woman is going to hump farther, carry a wounded soldier faster/farther, etc... than the Average man in the same branch - NOPE, and that's a reasonable expectation. Worse yet, women, because of the easier standard can get promoted faster than men, and, since Men/Women have separate advancement paths for the same rate/mos, it means that less men get good duty stations as they have to make room for women that can't be assigned some hazardous duty.

To be fair and honest, the Military needs to remove Gender from their testing, all of it, and put both men and women under the same advancement tree, in competition with each other. But we know that this won't happen, being fair, because liberals won't allow it to happen.