[johnforbes]

The main claim, in 2021, was that people who got the covid shots would not get covid or transfer it to others.

This was one of the main reasons for vaccine mandates -- to stop covid spread.

Comes now the admission that there was no science to support this...

[Clownkicker]

"The main claim, in 2021, was that people who got the covid shots would not get covid or transfer it to others."-johnfibs

NO VACCINE MANUFACTURER EVER CLAIMED A VACCINATED PERSON COULDN'T CONTRACT OR SPREAD COVID, YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE.

That's why Faucci told you to continue to wear masks even if vaccinated, you moron. To this day you are complaining and criticizing them all for telling you to wear your mask after you were vaccinated, which proves your lie.

Continuing to spread this lie won't ever make it true, you vile excuse for a human being. Your partisan stupidity is STILL killing people.


"This was one of the main reasons for vaccine mandates -- to stop covid spread."-johnfibs

There were no vaccine mandates, you lying sack of shit. You made it up.

To this day, idiotic Trump supporters are still not vaccinated and no one is going to make them get vaccinated. (Apparently no one even cares if they die.)


"Comes now the admission that there was no science to support this..."-johnflubs

That's exactly what Faucci told you all along, dimwit. And you're just coming to understand it now, when it's too late for the people you infected by your carelessness and self-absorption?

[johnforbes]

Politicians, who created and enforced covid mandates, did of course make those very claims.

The main point of vaccine passports, business closures, and lockdowns was to prevent spread, and people were told to get covid shots not just for themselves but for society at large.

It was leftist authoritarian lunacy, and the Pfizer executive exposed it just the other day speaking with Roos of the European Parliament.

[Clownkicker]

"Johnson & Johnson single-shot vaccine showed strong and long-lasting protection in the real world
The largest real-world evidence study for a COVID-19 vaccine reported to date in the U.S. demonstrated stable vaccine effectiveness of 79 percent (CI, 77%-80%) for COVID-19-related infections and 81 percent (CI, 79%-84%) for COVID-19-related hospitalizations."-Johnson and Johnson-Sept 2021
https://www.jnj.com/johnson-johnson-ann ... in-the-u-s

johnforbes still does not understand the basic facts about vaccines, that an efficacy of around 80%, while good for a vaccine, means that around 20 out of every 100 vaccinated people will still contract COVID. Johnson and Johnson told dimwit johnny this from the start, but johnforbes obviously doesn't understand what "efficacy" means. How many times have I told johnforbes to follow the science instead of taking his medical information from non-scientists?

No scientific person or organization (such as Faucci or the CDC) EVER said that being vaccinated would mean a person can't contract COVID or spread COVID. (Quite the opposite, which is why they recommended that he continue to wear his mask after being vaccinated.) Why johnfibs persists in spreading this partisan lie is a mystery. Is it to parade his scientific ignorance and demonstrate what an obedient partisan tool he is? Perhaps. Trump at least rewards such partisan dishonesty and stupidity. I wonder what's in it for johnofbres?


"This was one of the main reasons for vaccine mandates -- to stop covid spread."-johnforbes
"Politicians, who created and enforced covid mandates, did of course make those very claims."-Dishonestjohn

Notice johnforbes tries to replace his lie about "vaccine mandates" (which never existed in the U.S.) with "covid mandates" and thinks no one will notice. Well, I noticed your lie, dummy. And it IS a lie because I've explained this to you multiple times and you keep repeating something you know is not true anyway. johnforbes was duped by his handlers yet again because he doesn't notice such details when his handlers feed him the bullshit propaganda which he obediently regurgitates.

Even so, even "Politicians" NEVER said that fully vaccinated people couldn't contract or spread COVID. johnforbes simply made it up. He has been threatening for years to produce the evidence for his lie in order to make a fool of me with it, but he still hasn't been able to do it....because he simply made it up.

Regardless, it is what scientists tell us that matters, and no scientist EVER told johnfibs that a fully vaccinated person couldn't contract or spread COVID. Johnson and Johnson told him repeatedly that around 20% of all fully vaccinated people in their trials did in fact contract (and thus possibly spread) COVID.


"The main point of vaccine passports, business closures, and lockdowns was to prevent spread, and people were told to get covid shots not just for themselves but for society at large."-johnforbes

Now johnforbes has finally changed his tune to the actual facts, which is that public health officials took steps to reduce the spread of COVID, and that's ALL they ever did. But he now pretends that this is what he has been saying all along, which it is not what he has been saying. They didn't EVER tell him he couldn't possibly contract or spread COVID if fully vaccinated. That's why public health officials continued to tell whiny little bitch johnforbes to wear his masks to protect himself and others to the greatest extent possible in order to stop the spread of COVID. johnforbes continued to whine about mask recommendations even after people were vaccinated, proving that he knew public health officials never said that vaccinated people couldn't contract or spread COVID but that in fact he should continue to wear his mask.

Then he came here repeatedly lying about how these officials supposedly told him that he couldn't contract or spread COVID when what they actually told him was to continue to wear his mask to protect himself and others.

But johnforbes knows all of this because I have told him all this many times. He just lives for spreading partisan lies about "leftist authoritarian lunacy" that never happened.

Stopping a pandemic is not "lunacy," dimwit.

And you're welcome for your ongoing life and health thanks to the public health measures taken to protect you and your family. If it were up to Republicans, there's a good chance some member of your family would be dead or suffering from "long COVID" by now.

[johnforbes]

In May 2021, Fauci said if you get the shots, you become a "dead end" who can't spread the virus.

Appearing on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” Fauci explained to host John Dickerson that fully vaccinated people can go without masks even if they have an asymptomatic case of COVID-19 because the level of virus is much lower in their nasopharynx, the top part of their throat that lies behind the nose, than it is in someone who is unvaccinated.

“So even though there are breakthrough infections with vaccinated people, almost always the people are asymptomatic and the level of virus is so low it makes it extremely unlikely — not impossible but very, very low likelihood — that they’re going to transmit it,” Fauci said.

[Clownkicker]

How 'bout that, johnforbes is finally admitting that no one said a fully vaccinated person couldn't contract COVID.

In fact, contrary to johnny's long running lie, he now admits Faucci actually said what I have said he said all along, that vaccinated people could still contract COVID.
Meanwhile, johnny conveniently ignored the proof that Johnson and Johnson always said that about 20% of vaccinated people in their trials still contracted COVID because he knows I told the truth and he lied about it all this time as I have explained it to him multiple time and he persisted in repeating his partisan lie.

Now, if johnforbes would only learn to read he his own quotation evidence he would realize that Faucci never said a vaccinated person couldn't spread COVID. He only said it was a "very, very low likelihood that they would transmit it" It's a tragedy that johnforbes cares so little for his own family that he refused to take precautions around them.

Also, johnforbes would realize that he just admitted that Faucci said he could go without a mask if he was vaccinated, then he won't be able to be a partisan whining douche bag any longer and claim that mask mandates were unreasonable "leftist lunacy" from Faucci. Now johnny must admit that the lies he has been spreading were actually Rightist made up stupid shit."

I swear, it's like pulling teeth with johnfibs to, bit by bit, get him to admit the truth about his lies, but I've done it at long last.

Now, when will johnforbes apologize to me and everyone else on Earth for spreading his purely partisan lies about COVID?

[johnforbes]

Of course, they not only said that in 2021, but DHHS ran TV ads claiming that.

Now, in defense of DHHS, that was the belief back then, so I don't expect bureaucrats to be able to do their own science.

Joe said that too, but of course they were all wrong.

I'm sorry they were because I wouldn't wish covid on anybody, but the fact remains they were ll wrong.

[johnforbes]

Since the news that Pfizer admitted they had never tested to see if vaccines stopped spread,
the Left has been pretending that that had never been claimed.

But, of course, that was the main claim of all of them.

Fauci said the vaccine "dies" with the person who got the covid shots.

The Pfizer CEO made the same claim, and of course that was the reasoning behind covid mandates and vaccine passports.

Sadly, it was all wrong.

This is actually a sad turn of events because we had all been hoping, in January of 2021, that the covid shots would put an end of covid.

[Clownkicker]

"Since the news that Pfizer admitted they had never tested to see if vaccines stopped spread,
the Left has been pretending that that had never been claimed.
But, of course, that was the main claim of all of them."-johnfibs

To this day johnforbes has never been able to produce a shred of evidence that any public health authority, let alone "all of them," EVER made such ridiculous claims. He repeatedly threatens to humiliate me with his proof, but in two years johnforbes has been unable to produce anything at all to support his lies. This is because they are lies.
The only quotation he offered proves what I said all along, that Faucci never said vaccinated people couldn't contract COVID. He said in fact that vaccinated people COULD contract COVID as johnforbes' evidence proves.

Now, even if johnforbes could produce this elusive, fabled evidence to support his claim that health authorities said vaccinated people could not contract or spread COVID, a number of other more contagious variants have emerged which require johnforbes to not hold these nonexistent health authorities to these nonexistent statements they said two years ago since the virus today is no longer the same as the one they were commenting on at the time. The risks must be reevaluated on a regular basis based on current science, not simply used as partisan 'gotchas' to be used to put people at greater health risks the way johnforbes does.

Granted, johnforbes is famous for wanting to live in the past, but to criticize scientists for saying things they never said, especially in light of the new variants that require recent quotations on the risks of contracting and spreading COVID to make his point would be needed to have any meaning at all.

johnforbes couldn't care less about context and meaning. His only concern is partisan rhetoric which only a dimwitted partisan tool would waste his time on instead of following the science as any intelligent person does.

[johnforbes]

The context is the truth, which is that Pfizer and all the others said that covid stopped with a fully vaccinated person.

They all said that, Fauci and the Pfizer folks and Dr Eyebrows Walensky, all of them.

Sadly, they were wrong.

[Clownkicker]

And yet johnfibs can't produce a single quotation from any of those sources which say what he claims they said.

This is because johbnforbes simply made it up, as he makes up all of his posts.

Stop making up stupid shit that you can't back up with facts, dimwit.

(Incidentally, a "fact" is not something nonsensical that you just say in a post without any substantiation attached (as in your silly post above.) A "fact" is a verifiable quotation from your alleged source saying what you claimed they said on the Pfizer website or to the CDC website.)

[johnforbes]

Already done, and available widely.

Fauci said the vaccine would "die" with any person fully vaccinated (2 covid shots).

All others said the same.

[Clownkicker]

We got it already, dimwit. You can't find any quotations by any of your alleged sources saying the silly things you claim they said.

You can now stop flailing around helplessly, johnny. Your partisan impotence is noted.

[johnforbes]

Clown does have to stop the partisan flailing because Fauci and Democrat pols and all the others were indeed saying, just one year ago, that "fully vaccinated" people (2 shots) could not get or spread covid.

DHHS even had TV ads saying precisely that.

[Clownkicker]

"... because Fauci and Democrat pols and all the others were indeed saying, just one year ago, that "fully vaccinated" people (2 shots) could not get or spread covid."-johnfibs

So why don't you simply prove it by providing some verifiable quotations from those you are lying about, johnny?

The answer is, you don't because you can't. You simply made it up.

All you provided here was a quotation from Faucci saying that vaccinated people could indeed contract COVID, proving by your own hand the lie of your assertion. What a dimwit.

[johnforbes]

Reality is real.

2021 did occur.

Throughout that year, every authority -- from Lord Fauci to senile politicians -- said that "fully vaccinated" people (two covid shots) could not get or transmit covid.

Actually, that was the entire REASON for developing covid shots.

[Clownkicker]

"Throughout that year, every authority -- from Lord Fauci to senile politicians -- said that "fully vaccinated" people (two covid shots) could not get or transmit covid."-johnfibs

So PROVE IT ALREADY, dimwit. But you won't because you can't.

For over a year you have been spreading this lie and threatening to post your supporting evidence to make a fool of me, but you never have, because you simply made it up.

The only evidence you have posted was a quotation from Faucci saying that vaccinated people could still contract COVID. This is hardly 'supporting evidence' for your lie, dummy. In fact it proves you are lying about it.


"Actually, that was the entire REASON for developing covid shots."-johnfouibles

johnny, stop parading your gross ignorance of vaccines and what they do. Some have 100% efficacy. Some have 80% efficacy (like the J&J vaccine) Some have 40% efficacy. (40% efficacy is still good, but not great...unless the virus is something like the truly nasty Reston ebola virus, for example.)

Of course, johnforbes can't offer a quotation from even a single vaccine researcher who claimed that their "entire REASON" for developing codi shots was to make it impossible for a vaccinated person to contract or transmit covid.

This is just one more truly idiotic lie johnforbes has made up for his purely partisan purposes of making the typical simple minded Republican voter shit themselves in fear.

The actual reason for "developing covid shots" was to deliver the COVID vaccines that had been developed. And that's the only reason they developed covid shots. An oral delivery system didn't work as well at the time.

[johnforbes]

A is A, as the ancient Greeks taught.

Reality is real.

2021 did occur.

Throughout that year, every authority -- from Lord Fauci to senile politicians -- said that "fully vaccinated" people (two covid shots) could not get or transmit covid.

Actually, that was the entire REASON for developing covid shots.

[Clownkicker]

"Throughout that year, every authority -- from Lord Fauci to senile politicians -- said that "fully vaccinated" people (two covid shots) could not get or transmit covid."-dumbfuck

So prove it already, dimwit. Why is it you are unable to provide even a shred of evidence to support your lies?

And you should stop displaying your gross ignorance of vaccines. It lets people know for a fact how unabashedly stupid you really are. Virtually everything you post about them is blatantly unscientific.



Now I will display my uncanny psychic ability to see the future---

I predict johnforbes will post more mindless yammering and personal attacks but he will not proffer any evidence whatsoever to support his lies about vaccines and what public health authorities actually said about them.

[johnforbes]

The Pfizer CEO Bourla stated on TV that the shots protected "against transmission," so he had to know they had not even
tested for that.

Dr Rochelle said on MSNBC in April 2021 that a person with covid could not "carry it on to other" if that person had had two covid shots and was "fully vaccinated."

All of this, sad to sad, turned out to be baloney.

[Clownkicker]

Let's look at your 'evidence,' johnny.

What Walensky actually said: “Our data from the C.D.C. today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick."
"Dr. Walensky went on to emphasize the importance of continuing to wear masks and maintain precautions, even for vaccinated people."-NYTimes

So she didn't actually say vaccinated people COULDN'T carry the virus. She said data SUGGESTED that vaccinated people do not carry the virus. This is not the same as saying they don't or can't carry it, as you are claiming. What she was referring to is that most vaccinated people don't contract COVID in the first place, and they can't transmit COVID if they don't contract COVID.

Regardless, the same day, just hours after Walensky made her statement on MSNBC, the CDC clarified her statement that you misunderstood:
"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Thursday walked back controversial comments made by its director, Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, suggesting that people who are vaccinated against the coronavirus never become infected or transmit the virus to others. The assertion called into question the precautions that the agency had urged vaccinated people to take just last month, like wearing masks and gathering only under limited circumstances with unvaccinated people.

“Dr. Walensky spoke broadly during this interview,” an agency spokesman told The Times. “It’s possible that some people who are fully vaccinated could get Covid-19. The evidence isn’t clear whether they can spread the virus to others. We are continuing to evaluate the evidence.”

"“If Dr. Walensky had said most vaccinated people do not carry virus, we would not be having this discussion,” said John Moore, a virologist at Weill Cornell Medicine in New York.

The agency was responding in part to criticism from scientists who noted that current research was far from sufficient to claim that vaccinated people cannot spread the virus."-NYTimes

So the CDC's official position on this never changed, despite Walensky's interview. One misunderstood interview on one program does not change official policy. I keep telling you, "Follow the science" johnny. If you had followed the science, you wouldn't have been bitching about the mask mandates, would you. As it is, you are admitting you were wrong about mask mandates. You just lack the balls to say it in so many words.


As to Pfizer supposedly lying about the ability of vaccinated people to transmit COVID:

"At the hearing, Roos asked [Janine]Small [president of international markets at Pfizer] whether Pfizer had tested its COVID-19 vaccine for its ability to prevent transmission of the virus prior to its market release. Small answered: “No. We had to really move at the speed of science to really understand what is taking place in the market.” She went on to explain why Pfizer moved quickly to develop a COVID-19 vaccine as the virus spread worldwide.

While Roos and many others framed this as a new revelation, Pfizer never claimed that its clinical trial, upon which the vaccine was authorized for use, evaluated the shot’s effect on transmission. In fact, shortly before the vaccine’s release, the company’s CEO emphasized that this was still being evaluated.


Again, johnny, you really need to learn to follow the science and not regurgitate the things you misunderstand from interviews. You must learn to look at official policy statements from the CDC and from the drug manufacturers. Nobody actually said fully vaccinated people could not contract or transmit COVID. That's why they continued to say masks should still be worn by all. And that turned out to be true. You were wrong.

But most of all, those statements you misunderstood were comments about the initial COVID virus. Since then, the Delta variant and the Omicron variants, which are far more contagious, have arisen. You've got to stop living in the past and get with the current science. What someone said 18 months ago are not to be taken as permanent public health policy. The virus continues to change, and so must the public health policies change accordingly. These are what you need to listen to today.

Stop being so easily duped by your handlers, johnny. Follow the science.

[johnforbes]

I don't fault her for being unable to peer into the future.

And credit must be given to her attention to her eyebrows and painted nails.

However, it must be noted that she was trained, hired, and paid to be an expert on infectious diseases, and she was utterly wrong about people with covid who were fully vaccinated being unable to transit the virus.

Clown was also wrong, but given his abysmal education he could not be expected to be correct.

But Dr Rochelle should have known more, but did not.

[Clownkicker]

The point is, this thread isn't about Walensky. You started this thread saying that Pfizer didn't test the vaccine to see if it prevented transfer to others.

But Pfizer told you in so many words they hadn't tested for that before they ever released the vaccine. Pfizer never claimed that its clinical trial evaluated the shot’s effect on transmission. In fact, shortly before the vaccine’s release, the company’s CEO emphasized that this was still being evaluated.

Why does this stymie your pygmy-sized brain a year later, dimwit? Which of your partisan handlers got you to shit your pants now over something nobody ever claimed and that everyone knew over a year ago? It's just one more example of you wasting everyone's time over purely partisan bullshit.

No doubt life must be hard living as a partisan simpleton, eh, johnny? It's okay, you can admit it to us.

[johnforbes]

I didn't say anything about Pfizer.

They said what they did, and did not, do in regard to this.

[Clownkicker]

"I didn't say anything about Pfizer."-johnfibs

"Pfizer Did Not Test Vaccine to See If It Prevented Transfer to Others"-johnforbes' thread title

You said something about Pfizer right there in the thread title, dumbfuck.

Criminy...Dishonestjohnfuckhead...

[johnforbes]

I have no affiliation whatever with Pfizer, aside from owning it in some funds over which I have no control.

Pfizer's head did indeed say what he said, and it turned out this year that they had never even tested for transmission.

But preventing transmission was part and parcel of lockdowns, vaccine mandates, covid shot passports, travel limits, and all the rest.

[Clownkicker]

"I didn't say anything about Pfizer."-johnfibs

Only you DID say something about Pfizer, dumbfuck. No one said anything about you having some "affiliation" with Pfizer, so why bring one up?

What you DID said about Pfizer is:

"Pfizer Did Not Test Vaccine to See If It Prevented Transfer to Others"-johnforbes' thread title

johnforbes keeps on yammering non sequiturs while ignoring his blatant lie that is right there for all to see.

[johnforbes]

No, I made no statement whatever re Pfizer.

What I did ws mention what Pfizer admitted per their executive.

That, of course, was of extreme relevance and emerged thanks to a member of the European Parliament, which Clowntroller must respect as a good leftist.

[Clownkicker]

"Pfizer Did Not Test Vaccine to See If It Prevented Transfer to Others"-johnforbes

That IS saying something about Pfizer, dimwit. All the lies you can tell us won't change that fact.

Now stop your diversions and address the point, which is that this thread isn't about Walensky. You started this thread saying that Pfizer didn't test the vaccine to see if it prevented transfer to others.

But Pfizer told you in so many words they hadn't tested for that before they ever released the vaccine. Pfizer never claimed that its clinical trial evaluated the shot’s effect on transmission. In fact, shortly before the vaccine’s release, the company’s CEO emphasized that this was still being evaluated.

In other words, what they said is that you are a lying sack of shit, johnny.

[johnforbes]

I made no statement about Pfizer.

All I did was make note of the Pfizer exec's statement about Pfizer.

Still, this thread has been a real shot in the arm to the forum!

[Clownkicker]

Oh, now I get it. Your argument that you didn't lie is that you were plagiarizing someone, passing of someone else's words as your own.

Unfortunately, plagiarism IS lying, you imbecile.

You just admitted being a liar by admitting you committed plagiarism, dimwit.

[johnforbes]

No, just admitting that a Pfizer exec is a Pfizer exec,

They said they did not test for transfer, but of course its CEO said otherwise (yes on video).

[Clownkicker]

Either YOU made the comment about Pfizer or you plagiarized your comment about Pfizer, dimwit.

Either way, you're just another garden variety Trump-supporting liar.

[johnforbes]

Pfizer has execs.

A Pfizer exec said they didn't test for transfer.

They said they did not test for transfer, but of course its CEO said otherwise (yes on video).

QED

[Clownkicker]

^^^^^^ johnfibs just made several more comments about Pfizer.

Dishonestjohn will now return and say he didn't make any comments about Pfizer.

[johnforbes]

The honorable Mr Forbes does not work for Pfizer or know much about it other than his ownership of some via a fund.

He made no statement about Pfizer.

What he did do -- in his wisdom -- was make note of the Pfizer exec's statement about Pfizer.

Still, this thread has been a real shot in the arm to the forum!

[Clownkicker]

"What he did do -- in his wisdom -- was make note of the Pfizer exec's statement about Pfizer."-johnfoibles

Yes, 'noting' (posting your paraphrase of) what a company representative said about the company becomes a comment by you about the company. The fact that it is what the company said from day one of vaccine release means it is not newsworthy now. It is old news, but that doesn't stop you from shitting yourself over it.

By referring to a Pfizer exec speaking in his official capacity, YOU made a claim about Pfizer in your thread title. So you did comment on Pfizer, dimwit (though you never provided any evidence for your assertion. You never do.) You 'noted' on October 11th what the company said officially months ago and you assert is still saying through the Pfizer exec.

[johnforbes]

No, it becomes an observational note about what a Pfizer exec said about her own company.

She said they had not tested for transfer, but the CEO had previously claimed their shots did prevent transfer.

Therein lies the rub...

[Clownkicker]

"No, it becomes an observational note about what a Pfizer exec said about her own company."-johnfibs

An "observational note" IS a "comment" regardless of the content, dimwit.

And since you were commenting on what a Pfizer representative said "about her own company" you commented on Pfizer.