[johnforbes]

Thoughts?

[Clownkicker]

johnny, simply making up more stupid shit doesn't make it true.

Trump didn't issue a single order for troops or other security measures from the Pentagon. There is no record at the DoD of any such orders and you know it.

In fact, the only order Trump tried to issue was an order to take down the metal detectors in order to specifically allow armed gunmen into his rally.

You made it up, as always. You can't magically make Trump's traitorous dereliction of duty somehow okay.

[johnforbes]

The Pentagon memo really is the bitter end of their sad attempt to portray that day as anything more than a riot.

If Pelosi would release all the thousands of hours of security video, then perhaps we could all find out what the heck really happened that day?

Why did Pelosi not take Trump up on his offer days before of 10,000 Guard people?

Why did some security people just stand by and let demonstrators in?

Who authorized the unlocking of the electronic door locks?

How many agents and confidential informants were present, and what did they do or say?

Is it true, as some rumors have it, that Antifa people were there to some extent?

In other words, what are the real, true, objective facts as to what the heck happened?

[Clownkicker]

"Why did Pelosi not take Trump up on his offer days before of 10,000 Guard people?"-johnfibs

Because Trump never offered them to her. He never talked to her about it. You made it up.


"Why did some security people just stand by and let demonstrators in?"-johnflubs

Probably because they are Trump supporters, dimwit. You always step in it, don't you.


"How many agents and confidential informants were present, and what did they do or say?"-johnfoibles

It's irrelevant. No theoretical agents or informants had any power to stop Trump supporters from doing anything.


"Is it true, as some rumors have it, that Antifa people were there to some extent?"-Dishonestjohn

No. You fell for Trump's bullshit again.


"In other words, what are the real, true, objective facts as to what the heck happened?"-johnflubs

The real, true, INDISPUTABLE objective facts of what happened is that Trump sat watching TV for three hours, doing nothing to stop a riot that he could have stopped with a single tweet. But he didn't. Nor did he call up the National Guard to quell the riot. Instead, he tweeted to rile up his followers against Pence, hoping they would kill him.

[johnforbes]

It may well be directly relevant to the question of whether -- and to what extent -- the riot was organic and spontaneous versus being catalyzed by informants/agents like the Whitmer mess.

Remember, some of us merely want the neutral, full, unvarnished, objective truth about what happened.

Why won't Pelosi release ALL of the security video from that day?

No matter what the full, clear, honest, thorough truth about that day is, show it.

No matter who is helped or hurt by the full facts of that day, reveal them.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys showed up with weapons that day, as well as zip tie handcuffs.

The intended all along to riot and take hostages, or worse.

It didn't take some non-existent 'informants' to set them off. Trump did that.

He knew his supporters were armed that day. He wanted the metal detectors taken out so they could be at his rally. Then he told everyone to go to the Capitol and "fight like hell."

Do you honestly think that means go down to the Capitol and stand around peacefully protesting "like hell"?

Just how stupid are you?

[johnforbes]

Look, no sane person ever heard of the Oath Keepers or those other wacky groups before the Left sought to publicize them.

There are disputes as to whether Trump offered 10,000 or 20,000 Guard personnel, but it is quite clear he encouraged peaceful behavior and had given Pelosi thousands of people to keep the peace if she wanted.

But it was clear by that evening that Democrats had created a coordinated effort to paint a bunch of protesters, a few rioters, a guy in Viking horns, probably a few Antifa members, some confidential informants, surely a few agents from some alphabet agency, and some assorted riffraff into some purported threat to democracy.

What about the videos of guards letting protesters stroll inside?

Who unlocked the electric doors and why?

Why was Ray Epps not charged after clearly on video telling others they had to enter?

Precisely what agents and informants were present and why and what did they do?

Those of us who would never go to such an event, and that includes me and Clown and many others, simply don't know what went on.

If all the facts show the fault is 100 percent on Republicans, so be it.

But the facts we now have are oddly equivocal, like protesters strolling inside and taking selfies as guards just watch.

Or the guy with Viking horns walking in. So that clown was trying to take over the government? Come on, man.

Or a cop mildly telling a protester "Do you know this is like the sacredest place?"

Release all the facts.

"Let the Truth Be Known Though the Heavens May Fall. "

[Clownkicker]

"Look, no sane person ever heard of the Oath Keepers or those other wacky groups before the Left sought to publicize them."-johnfibs

johnny, anyone who watches and reads news had heard of them many times from Trump campaign rallies and and 2020 protests by BLM in Portland Oregon, for example. These were big stories that you pretend never happened. The truth is, The Oath Keepers and Proud Boys were just never reported on Right Wing news sources.

If you would consume something beyond your FOXnews propaganda that pretends the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys don't exist, you would have been very concerned with their behaviors provoking violence at protests. It's what they do. They are looking to start a civil war. Every intelligent news consumer already knows this.

"But it was clear by that evening that Democrats had created a coordinated effort to paint a bunch of protesters, a few rioters,..."-johnfibs

johnny, there were THOUSANDS of rioters at the Capitol. That is not "a few rioters"
At least 2000 made it inside the Capitol itself. Anyone chasing down legislators, trying to break into the House Chambers, stealing from House offices, threatening police, and destroying property are all rioters. No 'protesters' inside the Capitol were simply sight seeing. Outside were thousands more destroying property and assaulting police with weapons. If you would simply watch the news you would have seen this for yourself years ago. You don't need to wait for the Select Committee to show you what everyone else has already seen.

[johnforbes]

But Clown, you are letting rhetoric blur reality.

Where is the video footage of thousands of rioters inside? It looked like a few hundred bozos on the video on TV.

Where is the footage of police being assaulted with weapons? Of course, I support cops generally, and do favor law and order, but where is that evidence?

Is it in the supposed 14,000 hours of video which is being wittheld?

Why not let the full truth come out?

The neutral, objective, non-political truth?

That inquiry is partisan and has but one purpose -- to disqualify Trump with respect to 2024.

But Trump urged a "safe event" and days before authorized 10,000 to 20,000 troops to keep order, so it is now impossible to smear Trump by saying otherwise.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, you are letting rhetoric blur reality.

You have no evidence whatsoever that Trump ordered the DoD to do anything. There is no document showing that he ordered 10,000 National Guard to be on standby.

What we DO know is that Trump sat watching the riot on TV for three hours without making a single call to the DoD or anyone else to take steps to quell the riot. Just the opposite. He inflamed the riot further with his tweets, purposely making the riot worse.

No alleged footage of the riot will change that. No fantasy informants or Antifa can change that reality. And if you think the attorneys for the defense haven't subpoenaed all relevant evidence for their clients' defense, then you never went to law school.

The only reason you pretend you would spend 10,000 hours of your time watching riot video is that you are looking for some minor issue to pretend that Trump wasn't at fault when every bit of testimony given by his staff, his lawyers, and the DoD prove that he IS at fault.

When you can disprove something I've actually posted, do so. Until then, stop trying to blur this undeniable, irrefutable reality with your dishonest partisan rhetoric.

[johnforbes]

Clown is correct that my own eyes -- so clear, probing, and green -- would not spend time checking 10,000 hours of security video.

But supposedly Pelosi is hiding 14,000 hours of security video which others could examine for what really transpired that day.

Let the facts come out, no matter who is helped or hurt.

If Pelosi wants the truth to emerge, she has the power to release all of that footage, and others can stitch together the timeline and footage, and then maybe all of us who would never go to such a wacky event can find out what went on.

[Clownkicker]

Notice that johnforbes again refused to address the fact that Trump sat around for three hours doing nothing to stop the riot at the Capitol an d that he in fact intentionally made it worse.

We know that timeline precisely, yet johnforbes can't understand the facts.

Why does he think he will be able to grasp 14,000 hours of 'timeline' that he won't actually watch himself, but only take the word of of his handlers about what they show?

[johnforbes]

Just get Pelosi to release the 14,000 hours of video and let everybody see what the heck happened.

I would never go to any such event or protest, nor do I really understand people who get so caught up in the daily maelstrom of events.

I grew up hearing my mother recite lines from Frost:

"So when at times the mob is swayed
To carry praise or blame too far,
We may choose something like a star
To stay our minds on and be staid."

But the Democrats have been trying to make hay over that January protest for a year and a half now, and they still hope to prevent Trump from seeking the presidency again because of it.

Thus, let's finally release all the video and let everybody find out what the heck really happened.

If that proves all demonstrators did something wrong, then charge them and have speedy trials.

If that shows the leftist gasbags on TV to be merely spewing rhetorical nonsense, let everybody see that.

Fīat jūstitia ruat cælum, as stated in Somerset v Stewart in 1772.

[Clownkicker]

Notice that johnforbes again refused to address the fact that Trump sat around for three hours doing nothing to stop the riot at the Capitol an d that he in fact intentionally made it worse.

We know that timeline precisely, yet johnforbes STILL can't understand the facts.

Why does he think he will be able to grasp 14,000 hours of 'timeline' that he won't actually watch himself, but only take the word of of his handlers about what they show?

[johnforbes]

Every president ever has sat around for 3 hours (and more) because being president does not entail picking a basket of apples or some other chore akin to that.

Still, why not urge Pelosi to release the 14,000 hours of video and let everybody see what the heck happened?

I would never go to any such event or protest, nor do I really understand people who get so caught up in the daily maelstrom of events.

I grew up hearing my mother recite lines from Frost:

"So when at times the mob is swayed
To carry praise or blame too far,
We may choose something like a star
To stay our minds on and be staid."

But the Democrats have been trying to make hay over that January protest for a year and a half now, and they still hope to prevent Trump from seeking the presidency again because of it.

Thus, let's finally release all the video and let everybody find out what the heck really happened.

If that proves all demonstrators did something wrong, then charge them and have speedy trials.

If that shows the leftist gasbags on TV to be merely spewing rhetorical nonsense, let everybody see that.

Fīat jūstitia ruat cælum, as stated in Somerset v Stewart in 1772.

[Clownkicker]

Notice that johnforbes again refused to address the fact that Trump sat around for three hours doing nothing to stop the riot at the Capitol and that he in fact intentionally made it worse. You can't pretend that doing nothing during a riot at the Capitol is the same thing as doing nothing on vacation, Dishonestjohn.

We know that timeline precisely, yet johnforbes STILL can't understand the facts as we see by that last desperate, flailing post.

Why does he think he will be able to grasp 14,000 hours of 'timeline' that he won't actually watch himself, but only take the word of of his handlers about what they show?

[johnforbes]

Obama sat around for 3 hours every day reading Das Kapital and Rules for Radicals, didn't he?

Still, why not urge Pelosi to release the 14,000 hours of video and let everybody see what the heck happened?

But the Democrats have been trying to make hay over that January protest for a year and a half now, and they still hope to prevent Trump from seeking the presidency again because of it.

Thus, let's finally release all the video and let everybody find out what the heck really happened.

As to whether I would watch it, I'm still a little wrapped up in binge-watching "The Fugitive" with David Jannsen, but after that I'd watch.

[Clownkicker]

Notice that johnforbes again refused to address the fact that Trump sat around for three hours doing nothing to stop the riot at the Capitol and that he in fact intentionally made it worse. You can't pretend that doing nothing during a riot at the Capitol is the same thing as doing nothing on vacation, Dishonestjohn.

We know that timeline precisely, yet johnforbes STILL can't understand the facts as we see by that last desperate, embarrassed, flailing post.

[johnforbes]

Ike went golfing.

Truman played poker.

JFK apparently poked the interns, as did Clinton.

Presidents often sit around, and as Ike noted they are not in charge of things as much as a general would like.

Even if you consider the president who most resembled Clown (Taft), he sat around and consumed Big Macs.

[Clownkicker]

Notice that johnforbes again refused to address the fact that Trump sat around for three hours doing nothing to stop the riot at the Capitol and that he in fact intentionally made it worse.

Dishonestjohn pretends that watching TV and doing nothing to stop a riot at the Capitol is the same thing as a vacation.

Well, to Trump supporters it is.

That's how vile the Republican Party has become. They will excuse ANYTHING that their authoritarian demagogues wish to do. And that's why they are an existential threat to our democracy.

[johnforbes]

I'd like to thank Clown for belatedly concurring that my commentary was, in whole and part, totally correct.

Ike went golfing. Truman played poker, and drank whiskey with senators.

JFK apparently poked the interns, as did Clinton.

Presidents often sit around, and as Ike noted they are not in charge of things as much as a general would like.

Even if you consider the president who most resembled Clown (Taft), he sat around and consumed Big Macs.

[Clownkicker]

Notice that johnforbes again refused to address the fact that Trump sat around for three hours doing nothing to stop the riot at the Capitol and that he in fact intentionally made it worse.

Dishonestjohn pretends that watching TV and doing nothing to stop a riot at the Capitol is the same thing as a vacation.

[johnforbes]

Other than golfing and smoking, Ike did no known physical exercise.

Truman went for evening walks, but drank whiskey and played poker.

JFK conveyed an image of vigor from family football games on the lawn, but in reality was rather sickly. His chest was reportedly as scrawny as Clown's.

Taft was famous as the most obese president, and perhaps that was because he never availed himself of the opportunity to watch Stacey Abrams' renowned fitness video, "Stacey's Guide to Flat Abs."

Joe's main form of exercise is falling down while seeking to climb up airplane steps. Oh, and pretending to challenge people to pushup contests when surely he couldn't do 5 correct pushups.

As soon as Clowntoker submits a video proving he can go 50 correct, slow, elbow-break pushups off the pavement, then I will rescind my prior remarks.

Otherwise, I'd like to thank Clown for belatedly concurring that my commentary was, in whole and part, totally correct.

[Clownkicker]

Notice that johnforbes again refused to address the fact that Trump sat around for three hours doing nothing to stop the riot at the Capitol and that he in fact intentionally made it worse.

Dishonestjohn STILL pretends that watching TV and doing nothing to stop a riot at the Capitol is the same thing as a vacation.

[johnforbes]

Without the video proof that Clowntroller is able to do more than a few slow, correct pushups, how can we proceed constructively here?

After aerobic exercise this afternoon in 95 F heat, my taut, tan form was subjected to an almost merciless hailstorm.

The hail ws pea-sized, much as is Clowntoker's brain.