[johnforbes]

en The Federalist ran the headline “Many Studies Find That Cloth Masks Do Not Stop Viruses Like COVID” in November 2020, Lead Stories attempted to “fact-check” the piece, slapping a red “masks work” label over a screenshot of the original article.

The “fact-check” even cited data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) about the effectiveness of masks against COVID-19, where the CDC insisted, “Cloth masks not only effectively block most large droplets (i.e., 20-30 microns and larger), but they can also block the exhalation of fine droplets and particles,” and “cloth mask materials can also reduce wearers’ exposure to infectious droplets through filtration.”

Yet the same CDC quietly admitted on Friday that the thin cloth masks the agency and its corporate media allies spent the last two years cheering actually “provide the least protection” against COVID-19. It was “the first time the C.D.C. has explicitly addressed” the relative ineffectiveness of cloth masks, according to The New York Times.

The agency’s concession comes on the heels of admissions from people like CNN’s Leana Wen that “cloth masks are not appropriate for this pandemic.”

[Clownkicker]

Wow, I'm really surprised to see johnforbes calling for N95 mask mandates.

Kudos, johnny.

[johnforbes]

No, free people should make those decisions.

But regular cloth masks, such as the baseball mask often worn by Fauci a year ago, were worthless.

[Clownkicker]

No, FREE PEOPLE should be free from being killed by stupid, partisan fools.

Public health policy should NEVER be decided by the most uneducated and foolish people in the population. This is what johnforbes is saying in so many words, that ANYONE should be able to decide for themselves whether they want to make people sick and cause them to die. He believes no one should have the right to stop them.

johnforbes really need to go back to law school and learn about how free people always have coercive responsibilities to the rest of their fellow citizens. johnforbes believes "free people" should meekly submit to a military draft which essentially enslaves people and forces them to kill others, so it is no surprise that he supports allowing stupid and ignorant "free people" to kill others simply because they don't want to be inconvenienced.

[johnforbes]

I agree that public health policy should NOT be decided by ignorant people.

Nor by partisan Democrats such as the Scarf Lady (married to a Clinton advance man) or Fauci (who had emailed Hillary expressing "love" for her),

Mail ballots were the key to the 2020 election, and lockdowns helped conceal Joe's senility.

[Clownkicker]

"I agree that public health policy should NOT be decided by ignorant people."-johnforbes

"No, free people should make those decisions."-johnfoibles

Those two statements are mutually exclusive, johnny. All "free people" in this country includes all the ignorant people in this country. And you are insisting that those ignorant free people should be allowed to make these life-and-death decisions for their fellow Americans. You are insisting that those ignorant people should be allowed to make decisions about whether they should kill their fellow citizens by refusing to take reasonable precautions. That's insane.

Any real lawyer exposed to tort law would understand that negligent behavior makes one responsible for the deaths of others caused by that negligent behavior. You are here supporting the behaviors of such negligent people who are killing others by the thousands.


"But regular cloth masks, such as the baseball mask often worn by Fauci a year ago, were worthless."-johnflubs

Again, it's good to see you calling for N95 mask mandates. Kudos.

[johnforbes]

No, just like Boris Johnson, I would at this late stage -- almost 2 years into covid -- place faith in the judgment of people.

CDC just reiterated that cloth masks don't work.

[Clownkicker]

"I agree that public health policy should NOT be decided by ignorant people."-johnfibs

"No...... I would at this late stage..... place faith in the judgment of people [including ignorant people]"-johnforbes

As I said, those two statements are mutually exclusive. You're simply being your usual partisan, hypocritical self, dimwit.

[johnforbes]

Not at all.

The collective wisdom of the American people is considerable.

Fauci lied about masks, about herd immunity, and about funding gain of function.

The CDC has now admitted cloth masks prove generally unavailing versus covid.

However, in the case of Clownslacker, he should wear a mask for purposes of not infecting the public with his appearance, but that is an esthetic matter.

[Clownkicker]

It is mind boggling that johnforbes still believes ignorant "free people" should have the right to kill or endanger whomever they wish.

Law school was wasted on dimwit johnny. That, or else (more likely) he never attended one at all since he's here insisting his law school never explained basic tort law to him. He believes tort law allows anyone to intentionally and knowingly harm people as long as they subscribe to some mystical belief in some undefinable "collective wisdom" which magically frees one to kill people on a whim.

[johnforbes]

If you give away almost any freedom to almost any government in the world, you will probably never enjoy that freedom again.

Look at once-wonderful places like Australia and New Zealand, which have descended into totally irrational authoritarianism over minor covid risks.

Their goal is zero covid, but is their goal zero heart disease or zero oncology risk?

[elklindo69]

OK Johnnie...so "they" say cloth masks don't work. So get a fucking N95 mask which is more effective in reducing the transmission of the disease. This shit ain't rocket science.

[johnforbes]

Yes, but that would conceal the peerless appearance of my handsome face.

Depriving the world of that would be a sin, eh?

[Clownkicker]

Yes, johnny, given the choice, everyone wants to peer less at your face. Your wearing an N95 mask would help mankind tremendously.

However, on this discussion board your true hypocritical partisan face is revealed, and it looks just like the picture of Dorian Gray.

[johnforbes]

So that is why Clownslacker was wearing a "Born to be Wilde" t-shirt the other day?

[Clownkicker]

johnforbes would be a much better man if he only understood the importance of being earnest.

Instead, he disingenuously promotes purely partisan propaganda he knows to be false and ignores any verifiable facts presented to him because he realizes he has been caught lying again.

[johnforbes]

Had me a debate, and I thought it would last.

Soon turned out, Clownslacker had a heart of glass.

[Clownkicker]

"If you give away almost any freedom to almost any government in the world, you will probably never enjoy that freedom again."-johnforbes

I happily give up the freedom to randomly kill other people when inconvenienced. Any sane person does.

johnforbes, however, 'enjoys' the right to randomly kill others (he said so himself) and wants to retain that freedom to kill others rather than be inconvenienced.

Fortunately, in the U.S. we have broadly accepted laws against people like johnforbes randomly killing people, depriving them of life and liberty, rather than be inconvenienced by taking rational precautions to protect the lives of his friends and neighbors. Talk about having a heart of glass.

[johnforbes]

Clowntoker must be high early today because of his incoherent talk about random something or another?

Even the mind of Mr. Forbes -- which is as clear as an alpine lake -- was confused by Clown's blather.

[Clownkicker]

Of course, what I posted is perfectly coherent, dimwit.

If you say it is your right to go without a mask when you are a possible COVID carrier (as everybody is) you could randomly infect a certain number of people, and a smaller number of those will die.

In other words, when you insist it is your right to go maskless around others, you are saying it is your right and kill a random number of random individuals.

That this simple reasoning confuses johnforbes is undoubtedly caused by his recent bought with hypothermia that shuts down one's ability to reason.

[johnforbes]

No, what I was confronting was the real situation -- which is that really only N95 type masks ever had any efficacy, and Fauci was saying that out loud on TV until March 31, 2020 when the tune changed.

Now personally, I might wear a mask to a grocery store or some other high density location, but it should be a free choice made by free people and not dictated by some bureaucrat.

Where is the pandemic portion of the Constitution?

[Clownkicker]

"Now personally, I might wear a mask to a grocery store or some other high density location, but it should be a free choice made by free people and not dictated by some bureaucrat."-johnfibs

Once again johnny is saying our public health policy should be determined by the ignorant and stupid people in our society.

Undoubtedly johnny will again say he does not think public health policy should be determined by the ignorant and stupid free people among us, but we have this quotation from him saying just the opposite; that ignorant and stupid free people should be free to randomly kill people.

johnpartisanhypocriteforbes. It's right there in his middle name.

[johnforbes]

Clowntoker is like listening to Dr Ed Yardeni, who has made an entire career out of being constantly wrong.

[Clownkicker]

johnforbes is like listening to every other Republican, who have made entire careers out of constantly lying, making up stupid shit, and being partisan hypocrites.

[johnforbes]

Why, thanks for the affirmation.

It is important that we all remain upbeat, positive, and cheerful in these taxing times.

[Clownkicker]

I'm happy to affirm once more that johnforbes is a lying partisan hypocrite who makes up stupid shit.

So you've realized it all along, eh?

[johnforbes]

It has a bracing effect on all of us that Clowntoker is happy.

I haven't felt this good since slicking my hair down with Vitalis and splashing Aqua Velva on my chin.

[Clownkicker]

You sound like quite the greaseball, johnny.

Now you're claiming to be Italian?

I'm happy you managed to get out of Jersey.

[johnforbes]

No, I am not Italian.

However, I did date a gal named "Roman" in high school.

Rome was built, like Bamberg in Germany, on 7 hills. Her school fame, though, was built on her 2 hills.