[johnforbes]

Open borders in a pandemic ought to be understandable even to senile Joe.

Already this year, something like 1.3 to 1.5 million new illegal aliens entered America with the knowledge of Mayorkas, who bragged about being the first Hispanic head of DHS.

No head of DHS did a thing to secure the southern border, but Mayorkas stands out for his loyalty to illegal aliens rather than American citizens.

[Clownkicker]

It's absurdly ridiculous that johnforbes insists that "illegal aliens" must get shots that Republicans keep insisting should be optional for citizens because they aren't necessary.

Why does johnny even care that no Democrats voted for something that no Republicans voted for either?

[johnforbes]

Thanks to Clown for admitting that he and his fellow Dems don't care about covid.

Letting 1.5 million new illegal aliens waltz into the country, and not even get covid shots, reveals the lie that they care about covid.

[Clownkicker]

Thanks to johnforbes for admitting that he and his fellow Repubs don't care about covid. To this day they still want COVID shots to be optional for everyone.

But that won't stop dishonestjohn from repeating the partisan lie that 1.5 million illegal immigrants just 'waltzed' into the country this year.

Never happened. johnny made it up.

[johnforbes]

Thanks to Clown for his effort at wimp-splaining, but alas 1.5 million NEW illegal aliens did enter the country this year.

Clown is correct not all of them waltzed in because it was not Vienna at Christmas or NY.

However, a huge percentage of the 1.5 million new illegals did enter to the sound of Mexican music, but sadly not the talent of Freddy Fender.

[Clownkicker]

Wow, now johnfibs is accompanying his lies with Mariachi music.

Until now I didn't know why they were calling johnforbes "La Cucaracha".

Now we know why.

[johnforbes]

It is true that Clownslacker is kooky, but alas not Ed "Kookie" Byrnes of "77 Sunset Strip."

As Clown wimp-spalained, 1.5 million NEW illegal aliens did enter the country this year.

On a positive note, Clowntoker is a Jack Kerouac sort of hiipie on this forum, albeitt without the minimal talent of Jack.

In fact, Clown is a foot shorter than Jack Palance, who was 6'4" tall.

Clown doesn't know Jack...

[elklindo69]

Gym Jordan said that vaccine mandates should be banned.

Now you people can't even get your steaming piles of bullshit straight........

[johnforbes]

I believe in vaccines myself just as a matter of playing the odds, but of course every vaccine has side-effects.

Vaccine mandates are wrong, as Biden and Fauci said all the way through December 2020.

Your goal as a politician is to PERSUADE people to get the covid shots, not try to FORCE them.

That OSHA rule has not even been issued yet because that would permit some judge to halt it, so senile Joe's people have even been dishonest on that.

[elklindo69]

How are vaccine mandates "wrong?"

There have been vaccine mandates for decades. I received the MMR vaccines in order to go to school. My two daughters received the MMR vaccines as well. When I went into the army I had to get a number of vaccinations during initial processing.

And now all of a sudden conservatives are now whining that there shouldn't be any vaccine mandates? It's as if republicans are the party of stupid squared.

[Clownkicker]

You forget that johnforbes holds the U.S. Supreme Court in contempt. That's why he is against vaccine mandates.

He couldn't care less that the Supreme court has addressed this issue twice already and both times came down on the side of vaccinations because it found that a person's right stop at the point where they are endangering the life and health of others.

Instead, johnforbes returns with his insane insistence that public health policy (and indeed his own life) should be left in the hands of the most ignorant and stupid in our society. It's truly baffling that he has so little regard for his own life and the lives of his family and friends.

[johnforbes]

Congress could pass a law and, if Joe signed it, you could have a proper vaccine mandate.

But an OSHA rule, based on no underlying statute, would not be defensible.

Joe and Fauci surely know that, and that is why they said there wouldn't be any mandates throughout 2020. Joe last said that in Dec 2020.

You ALWAYS want to encourage, educate, incentivize, but NOT get into mandates.

[elklindo69]

There have been vaccine mandates to attend schools and for entry into the military for decades without any laws permitting them to do so......now all of a sudden Johnnie is claiming that there should be an act of congress to authorize them to do so?

And in reality, the government is not requiring for people to get vaccinated. if you don't want to get vaccinated, then you don't have to....

[Clownkicker]

"You ALWAYS want to encourage, educate, incentivize, but NOT get into mandates."-john"lyingpussyboy"forbes

I am surprised that johnforbes believes he could have told his military doctors to fuck off when they said he would be forced by mandate to get multiple vaccinations once inducted into the Army.

I am even more surprised that he believes an army should "NOT" be forced to be protected from diseases that could jeapardize the mission of the Army.

But I am not at all surprised that johnforbes believes millions of children and immunocomprimised adults should be forced to be exposed to life-threatening and crippling diseases in order to appease a bunch of ignorant and brain dead partisan yokels with no legal understanding of their actual Constitutional rights. He is indeed that vile a human being.

“There are manifold restraints to which every person is necessarily subject for the common good. On any other basis, organized society could not exist with safety to its members. Society based on the rule that each one is a law unto himself would soon be confronted with disorder and anarchy.....Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others.”-Supreme Court Justice John Marshall Harlan

Justice Marshall did not base his majority opinion supporting mandatory compliance with vaccination mandates on any OSHA rule, did he, johnny?

Stop with your irrelevant partisan distractions and address your puzzling contempt for Supreme Court precedent instead.

[johnforbes]

As indicated supra, Congress could pass a law and senile Joe could sign it, and that could be appropriate.

But an OSHA rule, based on nothing but executive whim, will not suffice.

[Clownkicker]

As indicated supra, Congress doesn't need to pass any new laws to make vaccine mandates legal. There is no need to justify them with any OSHA rules, but they can if they want to.

Why does law school dropout johnforbes keep refusing to do his homework before making a fool of himself?

[johnforbes]

As proven supra and elsewhere, no president has limitless power and can behave like a dictator.

Trump was called a dictator for doing 1/100th of the nutty things senile Joe has done.

Clown's own web site, suburban_wimp.com, has many examples.

[Clownkicker]

Yes, johnny, you couldn't refute a thing I actually said. We get it.

[johnforbes]

It is not my role to refute the rhetoric tossed about by every leftist on the Worldwide Interwebs.

[Clownkicker]

Yes, johnny, you couldn't refute a thing I actually said. We get it.

[johnforbes]

Because my goal is serious discussion, I would not single out the clueless, crass commentary of classless Clown.

Clown's posts are a tale told by an idiot, filled with sound and impotent fury, signifying nothing.

[Clownkicker]

Yes, johnny, you couldn't refute a thing I actually said. We get it.

[johnforbes]

Our goal here is serious discussion, not lobbing personal remarks back and forth like tennis balls.

Ergo, I did not single out the clueless, crass commentary of classless Clown.

Instead, I trained the searchlight of this discussion -- much like Diogenes -- on the general question of why not one Democrat voted to make illegal aliens get covid shots.

Does sneaking across the border generate antibodies to repel covid-19?

[Clownkicker]

Yes, johnny, you couldn't refute a thing I actually said. We get it.

And I already told you why no Democrat voted for something you simply made up.

It's a figment of your imagination, that's why. There was never any such bill to vote on.

[johnforbes]

No, of course there was a vote on this.

No Democrat voted to make illegal aliens get covid shots, which is why they are exempt.

[Clownkicker]

Stop making up stupid shit, johnny. It's boring.

[johnforbes]

It is true.

The reason illegal aliens don't have to get covid shots is that they, indeed, voted on that and not one single Democrat voted to make them get covid shots.

[Clownkicker]

Why are you making up this stuff, johnny?

You have no facts whatsoever to support your lies. Just look up and you see......nothin'... as always.

[johnforbes]

Clown, you know perfectly well that there was indeed a vote on this, and not one single Dem voted to make illegal aliens get covid shots.

Even Jen -- Orange Girl Bad -- Psaki admitted this.

[Clownkicker]

No, I don't know there was a vote on this. You didn't provide any evidence of it.

I don't watch FOXnews or One America News the way you do to get your propaganda.

Yet you keep pretending you have something to discuss, while not providing anything to discuss. Typical.

You're a dishonest partisan idiot, and this thread is just further proof of your stupidity.

[johnforbes]

I seldom look at Fox or One Am.

My thirst for knowledge is not compartmentalized or contained in ideological boxes as Clown's is.

Instead, it is fresh as the April rain.

[Clownkicker]

So you're saying you have no evidence of any vote on this. You're simply regurgitating your daily unsupported propaganda.

Got it.

[johnforbes]

As usual, I do have the evidence.

But I'm waiting for Clown to make more of fool of himself on this thread.

[Clownkicker]

You always claim to have evidence, but you can never produce it.

And you often threaten to post the proof of your claims to make a fool of me, but you never seem to manage it because you've got nothin' as always.

You're simply the intellectually impotent dimwit I have claimed you are.

[johnforbes]

No, it is ALWAYS produced and then Clown slinks away humiliated.

With this thread, a little more humilation for Clown seems in order, but as usual I have the substantiation.