[johnforbes]

Sorry, CDC data shows nobody in Alabama under age 39 died of covid in the past 1/2 year

More fake news?

[Clownkicker]

What "story" johnny? You didn't offer any story.

Looks like you're trying to pawn off more of your made up stupid shit propaganda to me.

[johnforbes]

https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/st ... 042332002/

But CDC data revealed nobody under 39 died of covid in Alabama during her stated time, and there have only been vaccines since January.

[Clownkicker]

I keep trying to tell you NOT to get your pandemic information from Facebook, dummy.

But will you listen? No, you keep whining about the posts Facebook didn't 'censor' as you keep whining about how Facebook censors too many posts. You magnanimously stand behind her right to post whatever she wants to post, then you are whining about how it's "fake news" when it isn't news at all. It's someone's gossip column.

That said, there is no "stated time" in her post. You have no idea what period of time it covers. Nor does the "CD data" know what time it supposedly covers. So your claim from your handlers that nobody under 39 died from COVID in that "stated time" is meaningless.

You are being jerked around by your handlers again, johnny.

Stop listening to them, johnny. They are not your friends. And stop getting your medical information from gossip sites.

[johnforbes]

I've never been on Facebook except for a few weeks looking at it when it first began.

I agree with Clown that it has no appeal.

[Clownkicker]

So stop getting your panties in a bunch over gossip columns and starting idiotic threads about them, dummy.

Gossip websites are not news. Nor are they reliable sources for sound medical science.

Now I've saved your worthless life. You're welcome.

[johnforbes]

USA Today ran that story to encourage vaccinations, but never bothered to even check the basic facts.

Clown seems to find not checking facts to be dandy.

[Clownkicker]

You're the one who didn't check the facts on this one, johnny.

Your handlers told you a bunch of stuff that isn't true, which you would know if you had actually read the Facebook post.


And fer gawds sake stop getting your news from USA Today, dummy. What are you, a child?

You might as well be listening to FOXnews, Breitbart, and OAN.

[sillydaddy]

I read the same story on another site...
Is this the crap the Left is using to put fear into the citizens to
make them side with the Demos?
We are to believe they will save us from the virus if we just do
everything they say no questions asked..just follow them blindly, eh..!
And vote for them, Of course..!

[Clownkicker]

sillydummy, how many times must I tell you? DON'T GET YOUR MEDICAL INFORMATION FROM GOSSIP SITES OR POLITICIANS.

Listen to the medical experts. If you would just do what they say, they would "save you from the virus"


Vote for whomever you like. Just get vaccinated fer cripes sake. You and johnfibs should stop politicizing a pandemic, dimwit. A virus doesn't care that you are a dimwitted Trump supporter. It only cares that you are stupid enough to not get vaccinated.

And if you DID get vaccinated because you know it was the wise thing to do, then stop supporting your Republican clowns that are telling you people they don't need to get vaccinated or wear masks. You should be criticizing them, even if they are from your party. They are killing people just for votes from the lucky unvaccinated survivors, and you are condoning that reprehensible behavior.

[johnforbes]

Only the leftist media outlets tell the lie that Repubs are not getting the shots.

The CDC figures show blacks and hispanics aren't.

As scholarly Joe said, blacks have been experimented on during the "Tuskegee Airmen" when, of course, he was trying to say "Tuskegee Syphillis Experiment"...

[Clownkicker]

Only johnfibs is telling the lie that Republicans are getting the shots when 41% of Republicans have said they will never get the vaccine.

And the proof that this is true is that 95% of all new COVID cases are now among the unvaccinated. And the states with the highest number of cases are Texas, Florida, and Missouri (just three states accounting for 40% of all new cases) all states run by not just Republicans, but by TRUMP Republicans. Furthermore, a number of other unvaccinated Trump states are also seeing big spikes in cases.

johnforbes is well aware of these facts but he will continue to insist (lie) that Republicans are getting vaccinated now when they actually aren't.

[johnforbes]

July 25


TO: Mr. Clown R. Toker

RE: Remand

FROM: Diana Prince, Executive Secretary


Mr. Forbes has informed me that he is not quite done his afternoon hike, but that his taut musculature is even now gleaming in the late afternoon sun.

He has remanded the problems of the world to your tender mercy pending his return to control.

[Clownkicker]

Now johnforbes is trying to convince us he is actually Wonder Woman.

He does love to listen to himself lie, doesn't he.

Or is he telling us that that is his stage name down at his local Drag Club?

I thought he went by Ms. Information. At least that is what he suggested on another thread of his.

[johnforbes]

July 26


TO: Mr. Clown R. Toker

RE: Wonder Woman

FROM: Diana Prince, Executive Secretary

Although the terms of my employment do not permit me to disclose any graphical artistic identity, I am authorized to reveal that Mr. Forbes may return from hiking -- his bronzed quadriceps glistening -- later this afternoon.

[elklindo69]

^^ This just goes to show that the phrase “basket of deplorables” was a gross understatement....

[johnforbes]

Yes, the million or so illegals who Joe has let in so far do seem to be deplorable...

[elklindo69]

Hello....excuse me officer.........Can you please direct me to the gift shop?

[johnforbes]

It would be interesting to have the 14,000 or so hours of video from that day released.

Parts of it do look like storming the Capitol, and other parts show people on cell phones taking selfies of themselves inside while police officers merely look at them while making zero effort to stop them.

It would seem to have been part of the duty of any security folks to try to infiltrate the crowd, so how many confidential informants and agents were mixed in there?

In other words, it remains to be revealed what the heck happened that day, when apparently nobody was armed.

[Clownkicker]

First of all, dozens of Trump supporters WERE armed, johnny. Why do you keep lying about that?


Unfortunately, with Republicans refusing to help discover what happened on Jan. 6th, it could get very difficult to learn the truth.

Why are Republicans so afraid of this investigation, johnny? According to you, people who don't want investigations have something to hide.

Remember how you have been repeatedly saying Democrats don't want audit investigations because they have something to hide? Then you must also agree that Republicans are trying to hide something because they don't want to help the investigation. According to you, there is only one reason anyone does that.

[divermouse]

oh let’s all act surprised when republicans, (yesterday’s democrats), gangster russians , and sparkle pony patriots don't want to talk about the fuckin truth. it evades them while they flippantly flip flop justice, finance, morality, and dang near anything they touch. suck the life right out of it. Just ask chief joseph!
how about this you lying sack of shit I'm going to come to your house and spray your ass with some fragrant bear spray as a gesture of love. stick a trump pike in your face, it's also an olympic sport javelin throw. oops you just happened to get in the way. And now I’m going apply chiropractic pressure to your head in a door jamb. how about some modern yoga stress relief my booted foot on your neck for breathing relaxation meditation moments my new friend. here let me rearrange your eye with my thumb - combat 101- 232YAMerring29. Look I’m in your desk resorting your papers for you and i happen to need to take a shit. here have some peace-ebola.
oh the wire ties and tasers are for securing rats without the proper thinkin’ and not real americans. Jackknife and noose it's for hunting pelosi you don't like her opinions so it's ok to hunt her, and your ex-boyfriend lemming bobble head pence who finally got some balls to follow the law . me and my friendship boys were going to hang him for you to secure the real constitution for your lord and lying shepherd.
here's a clue mr glistening meat mouth, we all saw what we saw. So ya, let’s see ALL the footage. and lets do the full investigation your party, so fucking pure, is blocking at every turn. just like the impeachmentS. WHY because YOU and EVRYBODY else KNOWS what lays at the top. god how do you sleep. Never mind I don’t need to hear about your sanctimonious drama dreams or another damn lie.

[johnforbes]

Only people attempting to surf Nazare have been in over their heads more often than Clowntoker.

Have any people who were protesting on that fateful day had gun charges against them?

[elklindo69]

January 6 was obviously an inside job.

All of that stuff that the Capitol Police testified about is exactly what McCarthy and the Insurrection Caucus crew didn't want everybody to hear about.

[Clownkicker]

"Have any people who were protesting on that fateful day had gun charges against them?"-johnflubs

Yes, two people have gun charges against them, dimwit.

[johnforbes]

What two people inside the Capitol were armed?

I rely on the leftist media outlets for information, so I have no idea what went on.

Why not just release the 14,000 or so hours of video and let the general public see?

Trump wanted to call out the National Guard, so why didn't Pelosi do that?

Intel agencies had to have had agents and informants there, so what role did they play in the riot?

[Clownkicker]

"What two people inside the Capitol were armed?"-dishonestjohnfuckhead

Two? It was far more than two.

There were the ones with the fire extinguishers, the ones with the Trump and Confederate flag poles used to attack police, the ones with pepper spray, the ones with the baseball bats and ax handles, the ones wielding torn out metal railings, the ones that broke windows to crawl into the House chamber (they didn't use their bare hands), the one in Pelosi's office with the ZAP Hike N Strike 950,000 Volt Stun Gun Walking Stick that delivers 950,000 volts, the ones wielding police-style batons and captured police shields used to assault police, the one with the hockey stick, the one with the sharpened pole, the one carrying a bundle of zip tie handcuffs, and the list goes on.

Why are you still trying to excuse the violent rioters who injured 150 police that day, johnny?


"Trump wanted to call out the National Guard, so why didn't Pelosi do that?"-dishonestjohn

Because the simple fact is the Speaker of the House doesn't have the power to call out the National Guard, dimwit, and you know it. You know it and you still blame her for not doing something beyond her power. That's just more of your made up partisan shit.

"While the Capitol police, D.C. metropolitan police and Speaker of the House called early on for more Guard assistance, such authority rests with only one person — the president. That call by the commander-in-chief was conspicuously absent.

"...while reports circulated about House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser requesting the Guard to help restore order, only the president, or his secretary of defense, may order it to do so. The D.C. mayor has no authority and is not in the chain of command of the D.C. Guard."

So why did you lie about what "Trump wanted", johnny? He clearly DIDN'T want it or he would have ordered it.

The real question IS "Why didn't Trump do it?" instead of cowering in the White House watching TV? He had the power, but he refused to use it, probably hoping for the death of Pence and/or Pelosi. But you won't ever ask that question, will you, johnny.

[johnforbes]

The fire exstinguisher story, told by CNN, was a lie.

Sicknick was NOT hit over the head with one, nor injured that way.

He had a sroke.

The autopsy said these things.

Follow the science.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, more than one person got hit with a fire extinguisher. What is wrong with you/

I saw someone get struck with an extinguisher for myself on video from that day.

So did you, but you're still here lying about it for some reason.

But it is hilarious that a fire extinguisher is the only weapon used by the rioters that you even tried to dishonestly take issue with, even if you are just lying about it. The other weapons I listed are also documented.


"He had a sroke."-johnflubs

Yes, a stroke brought on by being hit with bear spray on Jan. 6th; another of the weapons wielded by Trump rioters.

You have still not refuted that the rioters were armed, because they were. It's all documented on video and by testimony from the police who were the victims of those weapons.

[johnforbes]

No, I never saw such a video, but if you want to post a video it would be interesting to see.

Let's be clear -- those of us sane enough to avoid such heated political events have no idea what all went on there.

We have all seen riot-type scenes, and also the ones where cops stood by and watching protesters enter and mill around taking selfies.

Why don't they release the thousands of hours of other video so we can all find out what happened?

[divermouse]

lying russian mother fucker.
or your blind.
so technically you never saw.
so i apologize.

it would suck to be blind for sure. it would also suck to be a gullible sparkle pony patriot.

[Clownkicker]

Here is one video of an intentional fire extinguisher attack on police. Notice we also see about a dozen cases of flag poles being used as bludgeons and/or spears, as well as a crutch being used as a weapon. (I'll keep an eye out for the other video I saw of an attack inside the capitol and post it when I find it.)

Also, if those flagpole spears aren't "arms" to johnforbes, then cave men killed mammoths without any "arms" at all; a truly Impressive feat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-z8fvX6NAo


Now johnfibs has some vague idea of "what all went on there." He can no longer deny it happened.

[Clownkicker]

Here's a short timeline video that includes a lot of video of what johnforbes considers 'ourists' taking an orderly sightseeing stroll through the Capitol, as he unbelievably keeps insisting some of the rioters were.

In the video we also see a 2x4 used as a weapon. And we see the shooting of Babbitt that johnforbes seems to think was unreasonable. (She was breaching one of the last barriers between rioters and lawmakers.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investig ... tol-siege/

Now here's one of my rare opinions I offer here, johnny: From what I see in the video, Babbitt SHOULD have been shot. The officer did the right thing. It appears she was a very real threat to lawmakers. If she wasn't stopped 'with prejudice' many more would likely have died as the mob proceeded to the Chamber, but her death probably stopped the rioters when they realized it was real life and not some happy Trump fantasy they were involved in. I do not confuse this opinion with universal truth the way johnforbes does his own opinions. I may be shown to be incorrect in the future if more compelling evidence is uncovered. But johnforbes is incorrect TODAY in his wacko opinions about how the rioters were benign, peaceful Trump supporters out to see the sights of this great country.

[johnforbes]

Sure looked like a riot at that point, and surely some assault charges would be supported by that video.

It would be important to identify those people, make any of those charges, and toss in trespassing as well, but also sort out any informants or agents and ascertain their roles.

My interest in Jan 6 was whether Pence (or his advisors) would realize that his job was NOT to assign all electors to Trump, but instead to use the Constitution and history and send any disputed electors back where they belonged constitutionally -- to the state legislatures for resolution.

Whether that would have favored Trump or not is unknown, but that wouldn't have been the point.

So okay, clearly a riot by that video, but what of the other video of guards standly quietly by as protesters walk in, and what of the video seemingly in Statuary Hall where guards/cops merely watch as protesters take selfies and mill around peacefully?

All of the video should be released to give a full picture of the level of violence.

[Clownkicker]

One last time, johnny--there were no disputed Electors.

All Electors were duly appointed by legal authorities in each state. That's a fact. Whether the appointments were illegal somehow is not for the Vice President to decide. After two months there was no evidence presented to anyone that fraud had occurred. No one should be able to hold up the election of the president merely on unsupported allegations. That's just stupid.

It had been two months and not one election lawsuit had been upheld in any state in any court. AG Barr and the Department of Justice had said there was no significant election fraud that would change the outcome of the election. Trumps lawyers had been unable to present any evidence of fraud in court when asked by a judge to do so.

Any dispute citizens of those states might have with their own government is irrelevant to the Vice President at that point. Pence knew the Electors were duly appointed representatives of those States. He has no power to say they weren't. Only state judges could do that but they had not done so. The Vice President should never allow completely unsupported partisan allegations to hold up a presidential election.

That johnforbes believes the Vice President should stop a presidential election simply because the sore loser is whining about his loss after two months of lawsuits and investigations that came up with no evidence whatsoever of fraud is mind boggling.

[johnforbes]

That is just incorrect.

To preserve legal rights, the key swing states all appointed alternative slates of electors.

Pence's job, under the Constitution, was NOT to just select electors for Trump (as radical Right people wrongly felt he could or should do), but he could easily have sent the disputed electors back to state legislatures for resolution.

As to the lawsuits, the dismissals thus far has been a Reuters talking point about 80 dismissals, but that is pointless because all were without prejudice and all you would need is one substantive trial and one federal judge curious about what really happened in the election.

The outcome? Who knows, but it is terrible for Democrats to fight audits.

Look at the 2000 election, where Dems felt ripped off.

It is bad for half the country to feel ripped off, and that is true for any election.

[Clownkicker]

"That is just incorrect."-johnflubs

What's "incorrect" johnny? You didn't refute a thing I posted.


"To preserve legal rights, the key swing states all appointed alternative slates of electors."-johnflubs

Great! We all want to preserve our rights. Now, what has that got to do with Pence? He counted the votes of legally appointed electors. If there was some dispute back in the states, it was up to them to settle the alleged dispute in the two months before the certification. They didn't even get to court with any evidence in that time. One would think that in such a supposedly clear cut case of election fraud, getting the evidence to court within two months should be a simple matter in Republican-run states. But in nine months there has still been no state that has changed anything about their election count or Elector appointments, which shows Pence made the right decision to go ahead with the count.

If it was up to johnforbes, we would still not have a president. And why? Because a bunch of sour grapes losers wanted to posture for their dimwitted constituents. They have still not come up with a shred of evidence that there was any significant election fraud in any state, just as the Justice Department had told Pence before the certification.

No one should be allowed to hold up an election if there is no evidence of fraud. That is what johnforbes is proposing, that anyone who is a sore loser without a shred of evidence should be able to stop an election. That's just stupid.


"As to the lawsuits, the dismissals thus far has been a Reuters talking point about 80 dismissals, but that is pointless because all were without prejudice..."-johnflubs

Great! So get on it already. Why weren't the cases filed again with some supporting evidence this time? Whose fault is that? Republicans can go to court with their evidence any time they like. We're still waiting.


"...and all you would need is one substantive trial and one federal judge curious about what really happened in the election."-johnflubs

No, the disputed Electors were from the individual states. Allegations of election fraud should have been brought by Republicans in state courts and settled there. As it was, all Electors were already legally appointed. Only the states themselves could change that fact, not a federal judge. Any successful challenges could then call for a new slate of Electors from that state and their votes would then be sent to Washington D.C. to replace the fraudulent Electors' votes. After all, their rights had been preserved. But no Republican-run state has done so. Why is that, johnny? Any guesses?

But if you still think it's up to a federal judge, then why haven't Republicans sued to have their evidence examined by a federal judge, johnny? Some judges pleaded to see the evidence of fraud but couldn't get Trump's lawyers to show it to them. If Trump's lawyers won't show us the damning evidence, then why should we waste any more time on it?


"The outcome? Who knows..."-johnflubs

I know, johnny. The Vice President counted the votes of all legally appointed Electors. That's a fact.
No state had provided any evidence of any fraud in any state that would give Pence pause to go forward with the certification. And in nine months there has still been no change in the slates of legally appointed Electors from any state.

Nine months later, there is still no reason to believe Biden won through any election fraud.

This supports Pence's decision as a wise one. If he had not listened to the Justice Department and held up the election, we would still not have a president, and that is untenable. Whiny bitch losers without any evidence to support their whining should not be allowed to prevent the election of our president. Why do you keep insisting they should, johnny?

[johnforbes]

In pretty much any such scenario a responsible state legislature would appoint an alternate slate of electors.

This is not a partisan point, although in this specific case the alternate slates were for Trump.

Under the Constitution, all Pence had to do was remand the disputed electors back to state legislatures under the Constitution.

When Pence said he was being asked to choose electors and crown Trump, he was not fairly explaining the options.

[Clownkicker]

"When Pence said he was being asked to choose electors and crown Trump, he was not fairly explaining the options."-johnfibs

Of course he would be 'choosing' Trump Electors and crowning Trump, dummy. There was no other possible outcome if the Elector issue was sent back to Republican-run Senates. Who else do you think they would vote for, johnny? Are you actually claiming that a bunch of Republicans without any evidence of fraud in the first place are going to vote for Biden? If Republicans were going to vote based on evidence, they wouldn't have questioned the vote in the first place because they had no evidence and they still have no evidence. Just how stupid are you? You always manage to outdo your previous stupidity with something even more stupid.

You don't send the resolution of a purely partisan issue back to be settled by the partisan entity who made the unsupported allegations in the first place, which is what would have happened if your silly scenario played out.

But the fact is there were no legally disputed Electors. They were all legally appointed by the designated authorities in each state. To this day there has been no 'resolution' of the issue in any state. And why? Because there is no evidence whatsoever of election fraud. Pence didn't have the option of holding up the election for a bunch of sore losers without any evidence. He counted all of the legal Electoral votes.

After nine months there is still no shred of evidence of any election fraud. but Republican Senates would still have voted to send Trump Electors, and you know it. They wouldn't have looked into anything. They would have simply voted for new Electors to be appointed.

[johnforbes]

Of course, there were other alternatives.

Any state legislature could do whatever it deemed wise given alternative slates.

They could choose one, or pick and choose, whatever they felt, and the Constitution contemplated that given the grant of authority.

Sure, there mighta been some Right-leaning people who wanted Pence to simply select electors for Trump, but that was never gonna happen with buttoned-down Pence.

And it wouldn't have been proper either.

Bear in mind I wouldn't want Pence to do anything improper no matter what candidate I preferred.

But Pence could, and should, have sent the disputed electors back to their state legislatures and then the outcome would at least have been constitutional per my reading of it.

As matters now stand, 1/2 the country feels it was denied due process, so that is just as bad an outcome as 1/2 of the country feeling ripped off in 2000.

ELECTIONS NEED TO CONVEY THE PERCEPTION OF RECEIVED FAIR VOTE COUNTING. Dems were enraged at 2000 because they didn't have that.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, the Constitution gave legislatures the power to make election law.

It does not give legislatures the power to appoint Electors. Period. There is no point in sending the issue back to the legislatures. They have no authority to decide the issue.

Pence was not notified of any legal disputes over Electors because there were none. No state court or Secretary of State had told him there was an issue that needed to be resolved. All Electors had been legally appointed.

Pence had no alternative. The Vice President cannot hold up an election for unsupported allegations of fraud when not one of those complaining of fraud ever presented any credible evidence to support their allegations. And they STILL haven't done so, which decisively puts the lie to your silly claim that there was a legitimate dispute.

This was a legal issue and there was no legal case made by anyone for delaying the certification.

Why you keep insisting our democracy should be held hostage to the frivolous whims of a bunch of whiny bitch sore losers who even after nine months have presented no evidence whatsoever for their claims is a mystery to any rational American.

[johnforbes]

The legislatures appointed alternate slates of electors, as has happened many times before in history.

Pence improperly conceptualized his mandate, or he just copped out and used that as an excuse, but he was NOT being asked by any sane person to simply pick electors for Trump and thus let Trump win.

Any rational person wanted Pence to act within the Constitution and simply remand the disputed slates of electors (which all the key swing states had) back to their state legislatures for resolution.

[Clownkicker]

"Any rational person wanted Pence to act within the Constitution..."-johnflubs

He did just that and you're still whining about it. What is wrong with you? Nowhere did Pence violate the Constitution.

You're simply making it up.


"...and simply remand the disputed slates of electors (which all the key swing states had) back to their state legislatures for resolution."-johnflubs

Since Pence acted completely within his power granted by the Constitution, there was nothing to remand to the state legislatures. It is beyond dispute that what he did was within his Constitutional power to do. It is also what any rational person in his position would have done since there was no legitimate dispute about the slates of Electors. No one had ever presented any evidence of election fraud. But you're STILL whining about it for some reason. If things went the way of your unsupportable opinion, we would still not have a president. That's truly stupid.

Whenever things don't go your way, you bitch and moan about what the Constitution allows our elected officials to do. Why do you hate the Constitution so much, johnny?

[johnforbes]

Come on, Clown, wake up.

Nobody said Pence violated the Constitution.

What I did say -- and herewith repeat -- is that he could have, and should have, acted within the Constitution to send disputed electors back to state legislatures for resolution.

Remember in 2000 when Democrats felt ripped off and were furious for 4 years?

It is never healthy for America if 1/2 of the country feels it didn't get a fair election.

[Clownkicker]

"Nobody said Pence violated the Constitution."-johnflubs


Wow, johnforbes just admitted that Trump lost and Biden won according to the Constitution.

How often do you hear a Trump supporter admit that?


So johnny's been throwing a childish tantrum for months because he didn't get his "wish" last November, exactly like a two-year-old does.

He's been here wasting everyone's time, whining about an Electoral vote certification that he admits was all perfectly legal.

Unbelievable..... Trump supporters.....


As any Trump supporter would say (and DID say) "Your guy lost. Get over it."

[johnforbes]

That, of course, is not what I said.

Clown needs to have those cataracts of ideological delusion removed.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, if Pence's actions were Constitutional (you said you don't claim they violated the Constitution, which is the only thing that could bring the certification into question) then you just admitted Trump lost because the certification was Constitutional.

It doesn't get any simpler or clearer than that.

"Your guy lost. Live with it."

[johnforbes]

Pence's action -- or, more correctly, lack thereof -- was of course within the Constitution.

What rational people wanted him to do, also within the Constitution and more in line with its grant of power to state legislatures on voting, was send the disputed electors back to the relevant state legislatures for resolution.

I suspected Pence would lack the intestinal fortitude to do that and that turned out to be correct.

What those rioting wanted is less clear, but then what upset people on the street want -- whether BLM or Antifa or whatever -- probably varies a lot.

Most BLM and Antifa people are doubtless losers who have no stake in America and thus like to loot and burn.

Leftists like Clown and Elkin dislike America and thus have no wish to conserve its good aspects, and thus the are not CONSERVE-atives.