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#129039
I think it's lucky for the Capitol insurrectionists that they just a lawless mob of armed white domestic terrorists storming the Capitol building and vandalizing offices, and not, let's say, a black man selling loose cigarettes on a street corner, because there are serious consequences for that............

WASHINGTON — A violent, armed mob of Trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol Building Wednesday, entering the House and Senate chambers and forcing legislators and staff to take shelter. The astonishing turn of events came an hour after President Trump exhorted a Washington rally to protest the congressional certification of the Electoral College vote, a process that would seal President-elect Joe Biden’s victory.

The unprecedented violent protest brought a halt to the debate on the futile attempt by some Republican lawmakers to decertify the results from a number of states.

After attending a “Stop the Steal” rally, thousands of people surrounded the Capitol building, bounded up the steps and set up barricades using a ladder. Standing on top of an entrance, one man looked down and said, “This is epic. We’re taking the Capitol back.”

Protesters overpowered Capitol Police and stormed the building.

"The president invited us here and we're not leaving,” another protester shouted.

Multiple shots were fired and CNN reported that a female protester was in critical condition after being shot in the chest. Capitol Police also reported that several officers had been injured in the clashes. Washington chief of police Peter Newsham said that protesters deployed “chemical irritants on police” as they stormed the U.S. Capitol, the Associated Press reported.
#129050
Unbelievable---sillydaddy just held up hundreds of Trump supporters storming the Capitol, breaking windows, unlawfully entering, destroying property, looting, physically threatening elected representatives, and a shooting death inside the Capitol itself as an example of how little violence there is among faithful Trump supporters.

I have never seen so much violence in the Capitol in my entire life and neither have you, you vile buffoon. Until yesterday it was unimaginable.

This is what has become of 'conservatism' in America. It now says that a violent mob of Trump supporters inside the Capitol actually "serves as clear evidence of the lack of violence among Trump faithful" if only one person dies.

How is one expected to talk to such ignorant and repulsive people?
#129053
There were pipe bombs found which will surely be linked to Antifa thugs funded by some Soros entity.

We wish the Left would stop with such vile tactics, but they used them throughout 2020.

Later today, I am meeting with some other forum sages to consider invoking the 25th Amendment to the Forum Constitution to remove Clown for one day.
#129054
I watched and saw only what liberal media wanted me to see....and police reaction...I take a cue from what the black community says they witness.
and they say it would have been a more violent reaction if protestors had been black...!
C lown...you're just howling in the wind...! :laugh: :laugh:
#129055
"I watched and saw only what liberal media wanted me to see..."-sillydummy

So FOXnews and One America News only report what the liberal media want you to see? They didn't cover the event themselves? Are you serious? Is that what you are insisting now? That your regular Right Wing news sources didn't cover the biggest American news event in 50 years?

It figures. That would explain why you know so little about what Trump has done to America. Your 'news' sources simply never report the regular atrocities he commits.


"...and they say it would have been a more violent reaction if protestors had been black...!"-sillydummy

Dimwit, Trump supporter mob violence, which is what we are talking about, is one thing.

The REACTION to that violence by the police, which is what you are now changing the subject to, is another thing.

It's quite true that if the protesters had been black, the police would have reacted with more violence than they did for the white mob. Just a few months ago peaceful black protesters were gassed and violently removed because Trump wanted to walk down the street and pose with a Bible in front of a black church to demonstrate his hypocrisy. And those protesters didn't break any windows or destroy any property to warrant being gassed.


"There were pipe bombs found which will surely be linked to Antifa thugs funded by some Soros entity."-johnfibs

It "surely" won't turn out to be any such thing. You simply made it up.

Meanwhile, when the van containing the long gun and Molotov cocktails is traced to its owner and it turns out it is owned by a Right Wing Trump supporter, johnforbes will continue to blame Antifa for it. The truth means nothing to him.

johnforbes has yet to criticize the actions of a single rioter that Trump sent down to the Capitol. By his silence, johnforbes still supports the actions of the mob that tried to overturn the election with violence. It's likely johnforbes was there himself among them.
#129059
Trump was 0 for 60 in the courts.

Trump tried to steal some 11,780 votes from Georgia over the phone and that one didn't work out.

Now apparently this Trump inspired insurrection didn't work out either.

Out of all of this Trump cost the republicans, the house, the senate, and the presidency. The SOB actually did it...Trump really did make America great again........
#129063
"Clown, nobody was trying to overturn the election."-johnfibs

That's too much, even for an imbecile like you, johnny.

The Electoral College had voted and made Biden the winner. The Congress was simply counting those votes officially. There is nothing they could do to make Trump the winner.

So anyone breaking in a destroying property and assaulting officials is an attempt to overturn a legally certified election.

As with Kennedy/Nixon, as with Bush/Gore, whether or not the election was 'stolen' is irrelevant once the Electoral College votes. It is a legal election from there on and it is settled. Conservatives who claim to observe the rule of law should know that.

Besides, if Trump didn't send them down to overturn the legal Electoral College election that was merely being certified, then you must be saying he sent them down there to riot and cause mayhem.

That isn't one bit better, dimwit.
#129067
Elkin, come on, you are smarter than that.

So far, no court has held an evidentiary hearing on the merits -- they just copped out for procedural reasons.

Even the Supreme Ct, which has original jurisdiction and should have heard the valid TX case of equal protection, fled from the thorny issue of the merits.

There are hundreds of affidavits proving fraud, and the statistical anomalies make the fraud shockingly obvious.
#129071
"There are hundreds of affidavits proving fraud, ..."-johnfibs

No, there aren't. Affidavits don't prove anything, dimwit.

Affidavits are simply testimony about what someone thinks they witnessed; that something allegedly happened.

The trouble is, every affidavit that was investigated turned out to be someone misunderstanding what they saw, or else it was just plain false.

Not a single one has held up under investigation and scrutiny.
#129081
"Clown ...obviously, you don't know any real Americans..!"-sillydaddy

That's the difference between you and me, silly.

I spoke of "good" Americans who are appalled that a Confederate flag was carried into our nation's Capitol by Trump supporters and a police officer was killed doing his duty; the symbol of a literal attempt to overthrow the U.S. government. You are thrilled by it all.

You speak of "real" Americans. Apparently you believe "real" Americans want to overthrow the U.S. government by force or they aren't "real". But you're wrong. Those people are not real Americans. They are dupes and puppets, just as you and johnforbes are.

You clowns need to be disabused of your delusion that ANY real American would EVER want our government overthrown by force instead of changed at the ballot box.

What is baffling to any sane person is that five of the six disputed states that are upsetting you so much are run by Republican legislatures. YOU, silly, who consider yourself a "real" American, are the one saying Republicans can't be trusted to protect our votes. If you believe Republicans can't be trusted to run honest elections, then just say so. Stop hemming and hawing and blaming ANTIFA or BLM or "the media" (you mean Trump's twitter feed?) or Democrats for the alleged "vote stealing". Republicans are responsible, one way or another, for this assault on the Constitution, whether in the Trump White House, inside white supremacist/neo-Nazi groups (who all vote Trump/Republican) or at the disputed Republican-run ballot boxes.

Stop blaming everyone else for what you and your party have done, silly.
#129089
WHAT evidence, johnny? There is none. (When Giuliani was asked in court about his evidence of election fraud, he failed to produce any and then said his suit wasn't an assertion of fraud.)

There are only affidavits that were debunked and that's all.

For example, the lie about boxes of fake ballots being pulled out from under the table while Republican observers weren't looking. By watching the complete video it was found that those legitimate ballots were put under the table about two hours earlier from the same batch of ballots that everyone was counting. They were just put under the table because they needed a spot to store them until they could be counted. There was nothing nefarious about it.

Affidavits (which are not "evidence" as anyone trained in the law would know. They are claims made by witnesses) have been investigated and none of them have held up. There was always a perfectly normal explanation for what the person claimed they saw. And with others they were proven to be clearly wrong or even intentionally fabricated for partisan reasons. These affidavits were investigated by Republican election workers, not just Democrats.

So until you have some actual evidence to support your purely partisan claims, you should listen to AG Barr, Republican Secretaries of State, Republican legislatures, and the FBI who have said there is no evidence of fraud, you should stop your incitements to overthrow a legally certified election. It is harming our country.

If you don't trust Republicans to run fair elections, and you don't trust Democrats to run fair elections, then who do you suggest should run our elections? (And before you open your Trump-supporting mouth with some idioticvnonsense--no, "the military" is not an acceptable answer.)
#129097
Come on, Clown, there are whole binders of affidavits.

The statistical anomalies alone, the lack of supervision of ballot counting as the law REQUIRES, and more than that:

Joe Briben can't talk. He is super boring. He can't draw a crowd.

He did NOT garner 80 million votes and we all know it.
#129104
You're correct...it was not 80 million, but 81.2 million votes that Biden got.

As we can all see Trump supporters are not a cult just because they deny the evidence of of their eyes and ears and accept the obvious fabrications of their leader as truth and would kill or die based on his lies oh wait that's exactly a cult.

Now we will get a president who will not incite violent thugs and criminals to over throw the government.
#129117
It is unknown how many votes Biden really got.

He was a boring old partisan hack from tiny Delaware, known only for being in bed with credit card execs and the business deals Hunter put together with China and Ukraine.

Biden didn't campaign, couldn't talk, had a broken ankle, and his son was a crackhead, so obviously he didn't get 80 or 81 million votes.

To be fair, though, some of his speaking events did draw 30 or 40 people.
#129129
So let me get something straight here.....the fact that Trump called GA election officials demanding for them to find 11,780 votes is not election fraud?

Apparently after that ploy didn't work Trump sent in his MAGA Criminal Thug Crew with napalm, zipties, firearms and all other assorted types of weapons and now MAGA wants all of us to believe that this wasn't an insurrection?
#129148
Well, what did I tell you? It is a Trump supporter.

"An Alabama man who parked a truck filled with Molotov cocktails and a cache of firearms blocks from the U.S. Capitol had "concerning" handwritten notes that named an Obama-appointed federal judge a "bad guy," singled out a Muslim representative and listed contact information for conservative media personalities, according to court records. "

The guy included "handwritten notes labeling conservative and right-wing media personalities "good guys" and a "Good Girl,..."

Now, will johnforbes admit that Trump supporters are violent thugs or will he continue to blame Antifa who weren't even there?

Let's watch, shall we?

Reminder: "Meanwhile, when the van containing the long gun and Molotov cocktails is traced to its owner and it turns out it is owned by a Right Wing Trump supporter, johnforbes will continue to blame Antifa for it."-me

(I predict what will really happen is johnforbes will simply slither away silently like the coward he is and not concede anything, just like Trump refuses to admit when he's wrong. Then later he will repeat the Trump lie that the violence was caused by Antifa.)
#129149
Trump supporters have shown from the beginning that they have achieved herd immunity from reality.

Trump could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and machine gun down a whole bunch of people crossing the street and his supporters would say....but but but look what Obama did when he was president.......
#129162
^^^^^What did I tell you? Look at him slither away without any comment about the Trump supporter with the Molotov cocktails and five firearms with hundreds of rounds of ammo.

"I predict what will really happen is johnforbes will simply slither away silently like the coward he is and not concede anything, just like Trump refuses to admit when he's wrong."-me

Who could possibly predict that johnforbes would act like a hypocritical partisan asshole? It's like I'm psychic or something.
#129186
Again, johnny, who DO you trust? There must be someone. And they are telling you the same thing.


You previously posted NPR was a reliable source. Check what they said about the guy.


But it's pretty funny that you think that guy belongs to Antifa or BLM. He obviously looks pretty black to clowns like you, sillydummy, and RealTool. And we know how much Antifa loves FOXnews talking heads.

Criminy, how do you keep a straight face when you look at yourself in the mirror to shave?
#129189
NPR is totally reliable as a source of leftist ideology.

Now, as to what person I trust, I can only judge by the legends of the Interwebs, and I've always heard the best source is a person by the name of John J Forbes.

Now some say his first name, initial, and last name are merely logins and that that is not his real name.

But he is a legend -- wise, deep, and amiable.
#129243
The Left is celebrating young dropouts like Zuck and Dorsey excluding all but the Left on social media.

But that effectively means that these young morons are repealing the First Amendment.

Had Zuck and Dorsey been Right Wingers and banned Biden and Cumela, they would be enraged.
#129263
You're here defending the actions at the Capitol every day, johnny.

You just posted how you thought the guy at Pelosi's desk was funny fer cripes sake.

You make excuses for why they were inside the Capitol. You make excuses for why the attackers walking slowly inside were not "attackers" because they weren't running all the time.

You are an apologist for partisan violence. Stop pretending the cop beaten by the Thin Blue Line flag isn't part of the same violence you are minimizing. It is.

None of it is excusable. Stop pretending it is.
#129268
Apparently the "lock her up" insurrectionist crew seem to be a bit surprised that "law and order" also applies to them as well.

Now that they are all in jail....in response, Trump seems to be selling pardons because the criming lowlife has stolen everything else that has any value.
#129285
I have an idea...they should have series of the TV show Cops where they feature the arrests of the MAGA Thugs involved in the storming of the Capitol Building.

Then they can show the interrogation of Trump where he claims that his speech on Jan 6 was only rhetoric.

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