[johnforbes]

[Clownkicker]

Thank you for finally posting the proof that what you claimed Fauci said was untrue and everything I said he said about masks was true.

You're welcome, johnny. I'm always happy to enlighten the ignorant.

[divermouse]

stuck on march. times change. conditions on the ground change. please stop pushing old information and half truths.

[johnforbes]

Like all the others, Fauci through March 31 said healthy members of the general population should NOT wear masks.

Then, a week later, he claimed they were essential.

Today, the Left has become mask fanatics, thinking some old t-shirt cut into a mask will protect them.

[Clownkicker]

"Like all the others, Fauci through March 31 said healthy members of the general population should NOT wear masks.
Then, a week later, he claimed they were essential."-johnfoibles

johnforbes is so dimwitted that he can't grasp that the facts known about COVID spread in the U.S. change from week to week.

johnforbes is also -pretending Fauci's comments from mid-February were identical to those on March 31st. They weren't.

But let's stipulate for a moment that Fauci recommended against masks one week and the next week recommended masks for everyone. WHAT IS YOUR POINT? You keep harping on this one thing as if it somehow discredit's Fauci and elevates the nonsense we hear from Trump. It doesn't.

As the shape of a pandemic changes and we learn more about a disease and its treatment, it is absolutely critical that responses to it change. johnforbes believes for some incredible reason that Fauci's recommendations for the public should remain unchanged from week to week and month to month. That's just stupid. (It's downright Republican.)

johnny, grow up. Let Fauci save your life already. And stop trying to let Trump kill me.

Thank you.


p.s. Masks are to protect OTHER PEOPLE, not yourself. Republicans just can't seem to grasp that little detail either. And even if they could, they have no interest in protecting other people anyway. It's all about them and THEIR rights. Fuck everyone else.

[johnforbes]

Oh no, it doesn't discredit Fauci or the Surg General that they changed their mask policy within a week.

My point about that is more subtle -- that the dramatic change in public message, within the space of less than one week, undermined the moral authority of Fauci and the SG.

Also, it is interesting that their initial anti-mask policy may have been an intentional lie to preserve protective equipment for doctors and nurses.

Understandable, of course, but that made it more difficult to believe Fauci -- a bureaucrat who had sucked up to Hillary -- was a genuine voice of scientific authority people could listen to and believe.

[Clownkicker]

"My point about that is more subtle -- that the dramatic change in public message, within the space of less than one week, undermined the moral authority of Fauci and the SG."-johnfoibles

And what does it say about the "moral authority" of Trump that one week he was refusing to wear masks around other people and publicly saying masks were nothing but a partisan political ploy and the next he's wearing a mask and saying "some say it's patriotic" to wear masks?

"moral authority"-- Criminy, are you kidding me? I don't look to Fauci for "moral authority" about anything and neither does anyone else. And only people like you look to Trump for "moral authority" on scientific subjects.

I look to Fauci for pragmatic public health policy, and that's all. That's his job. I look to Trump for cynical self-interested political policy. That's the TV game show character he plays.

Public policy does not necessarily reflect scientific best practices. Those are not realistic or feasible on a large scale, so the two are virtually never the same thing. I personally exceed public health policy recommendations because I am not stupid and I'm interested in staying healthy whatever the cost to myself. (An example is the fairly arbitrary "6 feet" distancing recommendation) But I do expect those around me to AT LEAST observe public health policy without incessantly whining about it or (like some) pulling a gun on some poor waiter and killing him because he tried to enforce that policy.

It's not too much to ask that you are considerate of those around you, whatever Trump-supporter beliefs to the contrary. That is the "moral authority" you should be concerned with.

[johnforbes]

Politicians really never have much moral authority on medical issues.

Fauci and the Surgeon General were medical scientists, but until March 31 they said masks were NOT needed.

Then they turned on a dime, and today young, dumb leftists view masks as marks of high honor -- signals of moral virtue.

But the virus is smaller than flu...

[Clownkicker]

"Then they turned on a dime, and today young, dumb leftists view masks as marks of high honor -- signals of moral virtue."-johnforbes

They ARE a signal of moral virtue, dummy. You wear them to protect OTHER PEOPLE, not yourself. They say you are willing to endure some slight discomfort and inconvenience in order to care for your fellow man. But Trump supporters are too caught up in their own 'rights' and a willingness to risk their own lives because of their political views, completely disregarding the risk they are to the health of people around them. They simply don't care about what they do to others if it is slight inconvenience to themselves. And adamantly refusing to wear them IS a mark of shame.


"But the virus is smaller than flu..."-johnfoibles

So what, johnny? What difference does it make how small it is? DO YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF POINT?

Why must I always be forced to get a pair of forceps and yank some rotted point out of your inane posts? If you have a point, make it. If you are trying to say that masks don't slow down a virus riding on water droplets being exhaled, then say so. You would be wrong, of course, but at least say what you mean and stop with the idiotic ellipses as if they are supposed to make us all arrive at some salient point. In your case, they never do. You don't know how to use them.

[johnforbes]

Herman Cain was blamed for his own demise on him not wearing a mask.

[Clownkicker]

If he didn't wear masks and didn't insist that those around him wear masks because he thought he was supporting Trump, then he IS to blame for his own demise.

What I care about is all the people he infected after he was sick but didn't know it yet, all because of his partisan politics. THEY are the real victims here.

[divermouse]

john: book of voyeur web: 11:37 am or five months ago stuck in a warp zone

"Oh no, it doesn't discredit Fauci or the Surg General that they changed their mask policy within a week."
My point about that is more subtle -- that the dramatic change in public message, within the space of less than one week, undermined the moral authority of Fauci and the SG.
Also, it is interesting that their initial anti-mask policy may have been an intentional lie to preserve protective equipment for doctors and nurses.
Understandable, of course, but that made it more difficult to believe Fauci -- a bureaucrat who had sucked up to Hillary -- was a genuine voice of scientific authority people could listen to and believe."

what the fuck are you talking about? you agree then go onto disparage. then shamelessly you have the balls to say, "undermined Fauci and SG". who did that john? trump with voodoo magic and clorox you , and mitch ? Fauci? or was it your snarky disruptive pals in the kremlin? you just love shoveling shit. at least you don't forget to get hillary in there out of your 59 iq's above all. or was that a typo reflex moment?

surprisingly to children is; profit boosting "quick response inventory", is not a real good plan for a public health emergency. so ill explain with my <200 iq's. the supply chain could not supply front lines fast enough. a hole month later, the supply chain, for profit, (BAX JNJ rose a point woopieeee ) was able to ramp up. and watch this... the supply COULD THEN share the wealth of prevention. as some 200 iqs articulate rational clown on this board has previously pointed out. different needs different missions. front line workers, five long months ago before 150k people died, mission changed lessons learned and STILL learning. ya see with enough training and some 12 years learning, povlog learned he stay alive save more by keeping his eyes open and changing to conditions on the ground not la la land. politics got nothing to do with it other than conditioning lemmings, at any expense for a vote. you aren't so blind. so you must be the distractor bull shit spreader. it must pay well to be a willing operative. BTW your divinity is watching.

[johnforbes]

Diver, when you sober up later on, perhaps you could translate your post into some semblance of English and restate whatever your germane points might have been?

Until that golden moment (which we all await), I have found a gem of wisdom in this thread, and I make bold to post it below:

Politicians really never have much moral authority on medical issues.

Fauci and the Surgeon General were medical scientists, but until March 31 they said masks were NOT needed.

Then they turned on a dime, and today young, dumb leftists view masks as marks of high honor -- signals of moral virtue.

But the virus is smaller than flu...

[elklindo69]

Trump is the stumblefuck moron who decided to wear the mask only after 140,000 people have died.

Jonathan Swan demonstrated unlimited patience and discipline for not blurting out "what the fuck!!!!"