[johnforbes]

Fauci said Feb 17 that masks were "absolutely" not needed for any reason "whatsoever."

I'm quoting him.

On Mar 30, the WHO did indeed say masks were not necessary.

On Mar 31, the Surgeon General did say masks were not needed and could even be bad by creating a false sense of security.

[Clownkicker]

Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of the WHO health emergencies program said on March 30th:
"There also is the issue that we have a massive global shortage," Ryan said about masks and other medical supplies. "Right now the people most at risk from this virus are frontline health workers who are exposed to the virus every second of every day. The thought of them not having masks is horrific."

Just as in the U.S. early on, the WHO policy was that frontline workers should have priority for an extremely limited resource. The MEDICAL policy was not that frontline workers didn't need to wear masks, was it.
The broader public policy will always prioritize those who most need the limited resource and try to make average people feel better about not getting the same resource. If they don't, people start to panic. Why in the world do you think frontline workers all use masks, dimwit? To protect themselves....duhhhh.

I realize that this is all rocket science to you, but intelligent people understand public policy must deal with the public. And the public includes all sort of dimwits just like you who are incapable of grasping any nuance in policy, so they make it simple (or more accurately-"simplistic." Remember, fully half the human population of the world has below-average intelligence. If YOU don't get it, how do you expect the rest of the population to get it?

[Clownkicker]

Adams never said there was "no need for masks" You made it up.

In public statements in early 2020, the surgeon general had recommended against the general public buying or wearing masks. However, in light of new evidence from the CDC, he changed his views and has since argued in favor of people wearing cloth facial coverings in public settings.

"“It's important to understand that we are looking at the data every single day and we make the best recommendations to the American people we can based on what we know,” Adams said on Tuesday. [March 31]

“What the World Health Organization [WHO] and the CDC [The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention] have reaffirmed in the last few days is that they do not recommend the general public wear masks.” [a"recommendation" is a public policy and is not the same thing as saying there is "no need". This was due to the wide shortage of PPE available to care workers who clearly have a need for them, even when Adams was talking.]

He then explained the reasons why.

“On an individual level, there was a study in 2015 looking at medical students and medical students wearing surgical masks touch their face on average 23 times,” Adams explained. “We know a major way that you can get respiratory diseases like coronavirus is by touching a surface and then touching your face so wearing a mask improperly can actually increase your risk of getting disease.” [But the purpose of face masks is not to stop the average wearer from getting disease. It is to stop the average wearer from spreading disease.]

Adams went on to say that wearing a face mask “can also give you a false sense of security." He added that "you see many of these pictures with people out and about closer than six feet to each other, but still wearing a mask.” [This refers to Trump-supporter mentality people who ignore the fact that masks work in conjunction with other best practices, such as distancing--which actually DOES help people avoid getting disease.]

He noted that there are also consequences to wearing masks.

“We still have PPE [Personal protective equipment] shortages across the country,” Adams noted. “The WHO mentioned this in their statement so we want to make sure we are reserving PPE for the people who most need it. That's how you are going to get the largest effect because if healthcare workers get sick, they can't take care of you when you get sick.”

johnny, you need to learn to put these things into context and not just regurgitate your handlers' headline talking points. A "public policy recommendation" is to help the average dimwit do the right thing for the broader population. At the time, the recommendation was to help frontline workers get what they needed FIRST. Now things have changed, so public policy changes, as it should. It doesn't make earlier public policies "lies" as you always pretend. It just means public policy has adapted to changing realities.

Stop living in the past. Stop insisting that current policies should be the same as earlier policy that were based on shortages and ignorance. I know it is hard for conservative minds to change once they get something set in their thick skulls, but TRY to adapt to reality, johnny.

And stop twisting reality into pretzels just to make a ridiculous non-medical partisan argument out of it.

[johnforbes]

Why do you think I started this thread?

Because he absolutely, positively said that and explained why.

The reasons were obvious -- poor quality masks, not worn properly, or with the nose exposed, or dangling from an earlobe, or or worn on the chin a la Biden, etc.

[Clownkicker]

No, johnny, you started ANOTHER thread because you couldn't refute a thing I said on the other thread, so you ran away rather than respond.

You purportedly started this thread to tell us what the WHO and SG Adams said, and then refused to quote anything they actually said.

Instead, you posted what johnforbes said, and what johnforbes said isn't worth shit. All this thread is about is johnforbes' OPINION of what those men said.

Either quote the WHO and the Surgeon General saying what you claim they said or kindly go fuck yourself.

[johnforbes]

In time, my boy.

In the fullness of time.

[Clownkicker]

In time we will all be dead.

And even then you still won't have provided a single quotation from anyone to back up any of the claims you've made about what they said.

[johnforbes]

Yes, that was the famous Keynes quote.

Still, on Feb 17, Fauci said there was "absolutely" no need "whatsoever" to wear a mask.

On Mar 30, the WHO said no need for masks.

On Mar 31, the Surgeon General said there was no need for masks.

Then there was a sudden "need" for masks, but that imperative vanished when Govs Whitmer and Wolf wanted to march shoulder to shoulder with racist Black Lives Matter activists, many of whom had no masks.

Then the spike in cases was blamed on Memorial Day events rather than on Marxist radicals looting and burning.

Finally, precisely what statutory and constitutional provisions are they relying on in mandating masks?

[elklindo69]

Finally, precisely what statutory and constitutional provisions are they relying on in mandating masks?

The one which is used to make you wear a seatbelt in your car....

[johnforbes]

I do wear a seatbelt, but the concept of America is that there are rational reasons for any restriction of liberty.

Democrats have forgotten that, but it is a crucial concept because liberty and capitalism helped make America great.

Not perfect, but great.

[divermouse]

but the concept of America is that there are rational reasons for any restriction of liberty.

and there ya go philip the russian operative.

[johnforbes]

Who is Philip?

In the 1950s, there was McCarthyism practiced by Repubs.

Modern McCarthyism has been from Democrats, with their wild and prolonged lies about the fake dossier.

[divermouse]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Stu7h7Qup8 repetitive music composer, only he is pleasant to listen to rather than your partisan daft droning. more like "waiting for godot". waiting for something to happen only its groundhog day.

then you provide us with another poozzo diversion about the "fake dossier " which is like schrodinger's little experiment, right down to never opening the box. no. in fact blocking the box, kicking the box into the dark dark, deep dark, bottom of the ocean dark. more to the point, your ever so justice lacking in control party, won't open the files of evidence. so YOU do not know if it is fake or not. do you? and just why would that be? we do know much of it is true. we do lack a pee pee tape for example...

and to get in front of your warrant complaint philip , Z-FBI follows red flags to where they lead. that's their job. it does not make them a dark state. if i call, you call, or mr steele calls the fbi and report something suspicious, they will follow up. and they do that with operational devices. it's not their fault if they found a rather large cache burrow of underworld activity involving your pseudo hero, and followed it through. just like clinton blowing goo on a blue dress they followed it through to the cigar tip. this ain't a side piece of ass. this is as real as it gets . and YOU ARE enabling them. you know it. you should quit, so quit. find another hobby beside supporting destruction. my side just want's clean air some wild space for gods animals. and companies that don't fuck people. my guess is you do too, you just lost your way over a 2% dividend... while they take 80%.

put a fucking mask on to save others with your poisonous spew. wash your hands from mine. give the hospitals a break.

[johnforbes]

On March 30, WHO recommended that people NOT wear masks unless they had covid or were caring for somebody sick.
"There is no specific evidence to suggest that the wearing of masks by the mass population has any potential benefit. In fact, there is some evidence to suggest the opposite in the misuse of wearing a mask properly or fitting it properly."

Dr Ryan went on to mention PPE shortage.

Dr Van Kerkove concurred that health care workers needed masks, but added:

"In the community, we do not recommend the use of wearing masks unless you yourself are sick..."

On March 31, the Surgeon General reiterated his advice to NOT wear a mask which he said could "actually increase your risk."

"What the World Health Organization and the CDC have reaffirmed in the last few days is that they do not recommend the general public wear masks."

He cited a 2015 study showing that med students touched their faces more when wearing masks (after touching a contaminated surface) than the non-masked. So mask adjustment might increase face touching.

Dr Adams mentioned the risk that mask wearing might lull wearers into a false sense of security about proximity to others.
"There may be a day when we change our recommendation...but the data is not there yet."

[Clownkicker]

Yes, johnny, I already posted all that stuff above and you called me a liar.

But you can't actually refute a thing I said about it.

[johnforbes]

You don't have to make a humiliating apology.

You can just say "Sorry, I was wrong" and I'll accept that.

[Clownkicker]

Sorry, I was right and you are still wrong, johnny.

You regurgitated the party propaganda about what they said and then you failed to produce any quotations from them saying even remotely what you claimed they said.

And certainly what you posted was not anywhere near "precisely" what they said.

It's so much easier just to tell the truth instead of always making up stupid shit.

[johnforbes]

It would help if you added the words "I humbly implore Mr Forbes to forgive me."

[Clownkicker]

I humbly implore Mr Forbes to forgive me for ever considering that he might be right and I might be wrong.

I see now that it was unkind to momentarily grant the possibility of dignity to a mindless Trump drone. It only gets their hopes up for something they can never merit.

I made the mistake of treating johnforbes like he might be a rational human being worthy of respect. I was wrong.

It was foolish of me to treat an incorrigible reactionary partisan dimwit like he was ever capable of cogent thought.

I will try not to make that mistake in the future.

Mea culpa.




Well, I guess it's time for you to head back to the partisan shit pile you came from, johnny...

[johnforbes]

I appreciate Clown offering his humble apology.

However, it would help if he added the words "I humbly implore Mr Forbes to forgive me."

[Clownkicker]

Read the first sentence again, dimwit.

johnforbes is an illiterate tard...again.

Or maybe he just has difficulty reading anything from the bottom of his putrid partisan shit pile.

[johnforbes]

Let me take the liberty of reading from Clown's email:

"To: Right Honorable John J. Forbes
Re: Apology

I beseech you to accept my humble apology for my egregious errors."

His email goes on, but I won't read the full text because of my inherent courtesy and respect for Clown's apology as he begged to be forgiven.

[Clownkicker]

Of course I've never sent any such email to anyone.

Even in his witless 'jokes' johnfibs can't resist his ingrained nature to lie and misquote his betters.

[johnforbes]

Oops, you are correct.

What Clown's email actually said was:

"I beseech the noble persona of Mr. Forbes to accept my sincerely offered apology for my egregious errors and sophomoric silliness."

On behalf of my posting staff, I regret the error in characterizing the nature of Clown's humble apology for his mistake.

[divermouse]

They were all in love with dying
They were drinking from a fountain
That was pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain

[johnforbes]

I may have to stage a compassionate intervention to supply diver with better music.

He needs to cut the chord to his present inventory.

[divermouse]

i like my chords. let's talk about those that should cut cords. but first, divert rather than answer ANYTHING.

I get that you get paid to lie. but are you proud to be shoveling shit that cleans no barn. before you remind us all how good and better than anyone you are at shoveling shit, know that i have cleaned our 15k sq ft barn lots of times and been >1 mile into the pipelines.

wear a mask wash your hands. not that hard.

[johnforbes]

We had a little Ford N to push out the manure, so no need to shovel.

Then we spread lime., which always made me sneeze.

Not that covid is anything to sneeze at.

[elklindo69]

It's just like the "flu"....right Johnnie.

Ask the people in Florida and Texas where they are quickly running out of ICU space.

[johnforbes]

But they have not run out, and won't.

The virus likely came in Nov 2019 and is washing across the country via grocery stores and pot shops and all the other stuff kept open despite lockdowns.

As Dr Ioannidis said, wide asymptomatic spread, and he is one of the top ten quoted scientists in the world.

[divermouse]

and lowes, "conveyance cigarette gas slop stop, garden centers, pharmacies...

shortage, i don''t like being in a position of any shortage. runs the price up and adds another layer if UNSECESSARY worry, and hazardous shortcuts.

I'd bet allot of unnecessary transmissions were by those not willing to wear an all intrusive mask. *under their kkk hoodie.) I saw lots of 'em, you could smell the disdain for anyone with a mask. continues today. of course the higher transmission cause will probably come out as poverty. which none of you multi millionaires have do deal with. other than having a 6' diameter cootie zone and a mask on your super groomed mouth ornament or 3 day old drunk stubble. it is an odd juxtaposition.
neither of which you jackasses appear to give a fuck about or able to abide.

Thanks pals, you certainly are what makes your deity proud and america great.
maybe you guys should participate in a fix rather than diverting, blocking, whining and bitching. help fix this. or is this ALL you know how to do?

[sillydaddy]

Well then....tough shit, diver

[johnforbes]

Diver must have a very big nose to be able to smell disdain...

[elklindo69]

You don't need a sense of smell to detect Johnnie's steaming piles of bullshit.