[johnforbes]

From the video, looks like a disturbing case of excessive force.

But it always pays to wait and ascertain the facts.

Floyd and the cop worked overlapping shifts as security guards, and likely knew each other, so there may be some other aspect to this case other than the racist cop narrative the media outlets are pushing (which helped cause many minority-owned businesses to be burned in Minneapolis, Atlanta, etc).

[elklindo69]

Johnnie....you are claiming that "it always pays to wait and ascertain the facts."

Then you go ahead and make up some nonsensical shit about how the media is "pushing a racist cop" narrative.

Nobody knows this cop's background to begin with.

Maybe you shouldn't have elected a president who goes out and tries to start race wars.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, why are you desperately trying to excuse a cop killing a person?

For the sake of argument, let's stipulate that they knew each other.

Now, how does that mitigate in any way the crime of a cop killing a helpless, non-resisting, handcuffed suspect with three additional cops standing right there? Are you actually saying four cops couldn't get a handcuffed suspect into a patrol car in less than eight minutes?

If so, the four shouldn't be cops by sheer incompetence if they can't manage to arrest a helpless suspect without killing him first.

[RealJustme]

I still don't understand the racist allegations in this.

[johnforbes]

Media outlets are always eager for a good story about racism so long as it is white racism.

Black racism, they don't care about.

This Minneapolis case has video which seems odd. Why the knee given handcuffs?

The riots, likely Antifa, seem premised on the usual white racism narrative, but what if it turns out these two knew each other and just didn't get along?

The case against the cop would likely remain intact, but the interpersonal dynamic woulda changed.

[elklindo69]

All of these Trump supporters are claiming that he's not a racist ....you know when that's the thing they like most about him?

Apparently Trump strives for bringing out the worst in people.

[johnforbes]

Apparently this guy married a Hmong and she is now a radiologist.

She may be divorcing him.

But, if you marry a minority, it isn't a classic sign of white racism despite the eagerness of the Left to get out ahead of the facts.

And how did Hmong get to the U.S. anyhow?

Was it because of those awful Vietnam vets kids like Elkin have heard about?

[Clownkicker]

I see johnforbes is (reliably) once again missing the point.

Let's pretend (if you even can) that the cop didn't have a racist bone in his body. Floyd and Chauvin were just two regular non-racist assholes who didn't like each other and got in a scuffle. (Sure, that's believable to anyone who is willing to believe Trump actually cares about them.)

Now, there are these two guys who just happened to get into an argument and the white guy just happened to be on duty as a cop when the personal scuffle broke out, where the white guy just happened to have some handcuffs with him and the black guy was on the losing side of a personal beef.

Do you understand that that changes NOTHING as far as the protesters go, johnny? They will still be concerned about cops who can't control their personal conflicts while on the job. They will still be concerned with cops who use lethal force disproportionately against blacks over white suspects. They are not JUST concerned about personal racism among the police. They are concerned about institutional racism across this country that is there whether or not this particular hypothetically non-racist cop was simply out of control and emotionally unstable on the job to the point that he could no longer do his job. It's a matter of undeniable numbers, johnny.

The protesters aren't just upset about THIS case, johnny. Get a clue already. They are concerned about ALL the cases that have been happening for years that didn't happen to include damning videos. This is just the straw that broke the back. (This time around. It will happen again in the future.)

It really doesn't matter whether this particular case is a case of racism. (Though johnforbes knows in his gut that it probably is.) Statistically it still adds to the numbers racked up each year. But it's mostly about police violence. There are whites out there protesting too. If Loyd were white, the protests might not have happened this way at this time, but they would have happened eventually. And johnforbes would still be here minimizing the seriousness of police improperly using lethal force and the other cops who stand by and let it happen.

Police are just people. There are just as many racists (of all types) in the police forces as there are in other walks of life, and a certain number of them will occasionally react like regular people despite their training, when the stresses of the job and their personal lives overwhelm them and they forget their training, just like everyone else can lose control at times.

Unfortunately (unlike your or my job) their job is too important and dangerous to the general public to perform under those conditions. But it is still beside the point since this case is merely a trigger that brought longstanding and justified anger to the surface. When johnforbes uncovers the fictional evidence that Chauvin is merely an asshole and not a racist at all, then he will have yet one more instance to drone on about for the next ten years which he believes proves we need not be concerned about racism in the police forces or in our society. And he'll keep bringing it up ad nauseum as though it somehow changes all the future cases of injustice that will occur.

johnforbes will simply never understand that his 'point' about some theoretical lack of racism in this particular instance is irrelevant, both now and in the future. Your incessant nitpicking and hair splitting won't save you from righteous anger, johnny.

[johnforbes]

I agree with Clown that, for the Antifa folks or just the dispossessed leftists in the streets, any cause to riot is good enough.
These people have no real investment or belief in America, and they hope to destroy America.

Based on the video, it looks like a fairly clear case of police misconduct. Of course, it would be interesting to see a full, unobstructed video but perhaps we'll never see that.

It is always a good idea to try to learn the facts before just flying off the handle and assuming this or that.

With Trayvon, we learned he was a large and aggressive person who engaged in impromptu MMA bouts.

With the Ferguson case, we learned the cop had no choice when faced with a large hostile chap.

The Minneapolis case seems different, but we shall see.

Meanwhile, my taut musculature must go hiking and pause now and again to do pushups.

[Clownkicker]

Maybe this will help johnforbes understand that this is NOT just about race. To try to make it solely about race is to miss the point.

"Those are totals, and reminders that police killings are not just a problem suffered by black Americans — that they affect Americans of all ethnicities. But controlling for population (that is, looking at killings per million people) shows that it is black Americans who are most likely to be killed by police officers — that they are nearly twice as likely to be killed as a Latinx person and nearly three times more likely to be killed than a white person. Black Americans are also about 1.4 times more likely to be unarmed in fatal interactions with police than white Americans are (and about 1.2 times more likely to be killed unarmed than Latinx Americans).

This disparity is such that in eight US cities — including Reno, Nevada; Oklahoma City, Oklahoma; and Scottsdale, Arizona — the rate at which police killed black men was higher than the US murder rate. And in 27 of the country’s 50 largest cities, the rates of police killings (of people of all races) is higher than the rates of violent crime. In many cities, like Kansas City, Missouri, and Columbus, Ohio, counting police killings as violent crimes would more than double the rate of violent crime.
It is this reality that people are protesting."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-a ... ailsignout

The part I underlined above should horrify ANY American.

[sillydaddy]

Well Clown, that may fly for the protests...
but it doesn't justify the looting and destruction of property..some which belonged to blacks...
Nor does it explain the same things going on now in Europe...carrying signs that say "George Floyd"
Since when do the Brits and Krauts care about some nigger killed by police in the United States.
They're more racist over there than we are...

[elklindo69]

Well at least Silly has admitted to being a racist.

Now apparently electing a racist president hasn't helped out either for everyone....

And this is like the Civil War all over again and Trump is rooting for the confederates.

[johnforbes]

For the leftist media, any real or fake incident of racism always provides the trigger point.

I agree with Clown that, after that point, the violence and anger is from people who work for or with Antifa, or simply the losers in our society who hate it and feel no connection to it.