[johnforbes]

No doubt there is widespread coronavirus.

That is the whole point of the studies revealing asymptomatic spread up to EIGHTY FIVE TIMES more than experts expected.

At about 40 percent, you get herd immunity, which is also the goal of a vaccine.

Do the media understand any of this?

[Clownkicker]

^^^^^^^^ Wow, a Trump supporter who ADMITS Trump is acting as a shill with his irrational and unscientific pandemic response.

You don't see that every day.

[Clownkicker]

Talk about your "shill"-- here's an example of the flimflam man's "higher IQ" that johnforbes, RealTool, and sillydummy believe Trump possesses---

On FOX and Friends this past Friday, May 8th, to end the interview, Trump was lobbed a polite, feelgood "gimme" "apple pie" softball that any politician, even the stupid ones, should be able to knock out of the park.

Here is the question: "Mr. President, this Sunday is Mother's Day. What are your plans? What are you going to do for Melania and do you have a message for all the moms that are watching this morning?"

Trump's answer: "We'll be together. I'm going to Camp David meeting, a big meeting with the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Camp David is this very special place that nobody ever gets to see, but it's a great work environment, and we're going to have meetings on different things, and our military has never looked better. It's never been better. We've never had the kind of equipment that we have now. And, you know, we had planes that were 50-years-old and more. Fighter jets. Now we have the best in the world, the F-35 and the F-18, and, you know, what we have is incredible. The equipment and the people we have are great, but you know, they have to have equipment, and we've spent $1.5 trillion. Really more than that, and we've totally rebuilt our military, which you have to do. You know, I'm a very budget-conscious person. It's what you have to do. The nice thing it was all built in the USA and plenty of equipment coming. A lot of this equipment is coming. So it's very important that we have the best military and we have the--- our military has never been in condition like it is now and soon will be."

This is a FOXnews interview with his friendliest boot-licking 'reporters'. The ones who try desperately to hand Trump easy questions that no politician can screw up, yet you watch the pained expressions on their faces as they once again realize the man they are talking to is an idiot.

Listen to that insane answer to a benign question about Mother's Day, American mothers, and his own wife. The guy is a blatantly narcissistic sociopath without the ability to think, even for a moment, about anyone else. Not to mention his utter inability to express a cogent thought. And we all know just what he did "for" Melania, don't we.

Go ahead, johnny, tell us all how the man who gave that blithering, nonsensical response is in his right mind.

[sillydaddy]

Clown.. He was asked about Mother's Day..
and the President simply said that he will be working for the good of the country ...
The man is a genius, don't forget..!

[Clownkicker]

I'm sorry to hear about your mother, silly.

I know she suffered a broken heart from raising a thoughtless ingrate who thought it was fine to ignore her her entire life so he could talk about guns and war with his buddies.

[johnforbes]

I wish Clownslacker all the best on this chilly, sunny Tuesday.

[Clownkicker]

Honestly, johnny, you need to stop shilling for Trump.

You think you're safe and he won't come for you, but he will.

He will tear everything down before he ever leaves office.

[johnforbes]

Fauci and Birx -- and that bozo Neil Ferguson at Imperial College -- tore everything down.

[Clownkicker]

See, johnny? That's why nobody takes you seriously.

"Democrats" and American partisan politics did not make the entire world respond in a manner much like our response.

Other countries were more strict and had much better results than we did, suggesting more strict shutdowns was the right response. You have no scientific argument against what Fauci and Birx proposed as being the proper response given the knowledge of the virus we had at the time. Get over yourself. Your partisan bullshit politics are of no interest to a viral pandemic. Or me, for that matter.

Stop shilling for Trump with your stupidity.

[johnforbes]

No, it will take the rest of the year to gauge the full economic damage.

Everybody knows now that this is political -- Democrat governors want to ruin the economy in the hope of hurting Trump in November.

As to the lockdowns, it is unknown whether they merely delay herd immunity and actually hurt society.

[Clownkicker]

Everybody knows now that this is political -- Republican governors want to kill everyone in their state in hopes of not getting Trump voted out of office in November.

As to the lockdowns, there aren't any. No one is forbidden from leaving their homes and they never have been. It is unknown whether they merely delay herd immunity or actually save society by slowing down the spread. But johnforbes and Trump are willing to kill tens of thousands of people just to find out and perhaps win a political point.

Of course, if they are wrong and lose the political point, everyone will be dead, so who cares?

[johnforbes]

Come on, that is too simplistic even for Democrats.

It is a false opposite to say you want elderly obese diabetics to die versus opening back up.

Protect vulnerable segments of the population (as Cuomo didn't), and leave most things open with better sanitary practices, that would probably have resulted in the same death toll.

By the way, Birx said over the weekend the CDC numbers were not trustworthy and the death toll was inflated by 25 percent.

[Clownkicker]

"Come on, that is too simplistic even for Democrats."-johnfoibles

Criminy, I wondered how idiotic things would have to get for you to recognize how idiotic your posts are. It's not one bit more simplistic than the nonsense posted by RealTool and you. I merely copied your own nonsense back to you, replacing "Democrats" with "Republicans" until you saw how stupid it is, johnny.

"Protect vulnerable segments of the population (as Cuomo didn't), and leave most things open with better sanitary practices, that would probably have resulted in the same death toll."-johnflubs

The operative word there is "probably" isn't it, johnny. If only we knew.
But certainly nobody knew two months ago who the "vulnerable segments of the population" would be, did they, johnny? At that point you didn't even believe there was a problem at all. And now we still don't know the extent of the problem, though you are attempting to use faulty hindsight to ridicule those who are trying to keep you alive with best practices.

Recently a related deadly syndrome has shown up in some infants that had the virus and 'recovered'. Apparently they didn't. It had been thought that infants would weather the virus without great risk. Now that unproven belief is changing with more information.

What other demographic could still become victims of the virus, johnny? You don't know any more than I do, but you're still insisting we open the economy blind. And we don't even know yet if people can contract the virus a second time, and if they can, how bad would it be? Without widespread testing, how could we know how many "would have died" or "did die" from the virus? You whine about how nobody knows how many have died "because" of the virus and how many died "with" the virus. But you refuse to demand Trump makes widespread testing possible so we can find out exactly what is going on. To this day Trump is lying about how "anyone can get a test" when they can't. And you swallow that blatant lie like a typical Trump-supporting dimwit.

"By the way, Birx said over the weekend the CDC numbers were not trustworthy and the death toll was inflated by 25 percent."-johnfoibles

Great, johnny, so it's only 65,000 Americans who have died of the virus. I feel so much better and safer now. And the next 60,000 will really only be another 45,000 dead. Great, that's still an acceptable number, right? What a relief.

Criminy, mercenary Republican scum... They always have an acceptable number of dead in their minds before they start to give a rat's ass about anything (especially if it's old, black, and poor people dying.) And the number in their minds is always huge....unless they are wealthy white people dying, of course. Then it's a problem they will eliminate while violating any civil and human right with indifference. To them, this hit in their wallet is simply an unacceptable price to pay for a bunch of poor people's lives. (Why do you care, johnny? You got your $200,000 for your absentee partial ownership of your 'farm' through a Covid relief program loophole.)

[johnforbes]

Life consists of many risks, and it ends in death.

Instead of locking down, America should have protected the vulnerable and remained largely open with better sanitary methods.

This myopic focus on a virus has led to 36 million unemployed people, with the trail of misery which ensues.

[Clownkicker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah-- coulda, shoulda, woulda, johnny. You can't criticize epidemiologists for making the best calls they could with the information they had at the time. You CAN blame Trump for shrugging off the best information he had at the time and for making decisions based on a hope for miracles instead. You CAN blame Trump for not making data collection a priority of his response to the pandemic.

"Instead of locking down, America should have protected the vulnerable and remained largely open with better sanitary methods."-johnfoibles

Only we didn't know who "the vulnerable" were, did we? And why? Because Trump was eschewing broad testing and shrugging off the pandemic as recently as April 25th in a Tweet at 3:06 p.m. when he posted "Also, it did start with "one person from China", and then grew, & will be a "miracle" end!"

Like with what you would "like" and "wish" would happen, Trump is still telling you it will end miraculously. How stupid can anyone be, johnny? When you can answer that one, you will also understand how you sound when you say something as nonsensical and illogical as "America should have protected the vulnerable and remained largely open with better sanitary methods."

To this day we are still learning about who "the vulnerable" are and what "sanitary methods" are most effective, particularly dealing with the myriad scenarios we face opening restaurants and bars and nightclubs and sports stadiums and concert halls and stores, etc., etc., etc.. They can't all be treated the same safely. And when the CDC handed Trump a report of scientifically based recommendations for opening the economy, the Trump Administration buried it. (What "should" Trump have done with that report, johnny?)

We still lack sufficient information to make those calls with confidence. (By burying the CDC recommendations, Trump wants to 'leave it up to the states' to make those decisions so he can blame someone else when the shit hits the fan because of his fairy tale policies.)

Only broad testing will give us the information Trump and everyone else needs to make reasonably safe pragmatic decisions. You are pretending to be rationally pragmatic, but you are as ignorant of the facts needed to make such calls as everyone else. You know this and I know this. So please stop talking about what "America should have" done and start pushing Trump to collect the data needed to tells us what America can now do safely.

[johnforbes]

Ferguson at Imperial College had been wrong -- and big -- long before he was enormously wrong in estimating 2.2 million US deaths.

Fauci emailed his admiration and "love" for Hillary, so whether he was honestly giving his best opinion or whether trying to destroy the economy, that is up for debate.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, virtually every other country in the world took the same course Fauci recommended. Some were even much tougher.

If you think Fauci has that sort of influence over the leaders of the entire world, then your global conspiracy theory would have to be that every leader in the world made their pandemic response decisions with the aim of sabotaging the U.S. election against Trump at the cost of their own economies.

Read that again, johnny. You are insisting that every leader in the world must not only want Trump out, but they acted in a concerted effort against their own economies just to get him out of office.

That's certifiably insane. In other words, you represent the usual malleable Trump-supporter delusional mental illness.

If you're going to come back and say that isn't your theory, then what Fauci recommended has nothing to do with partisan politics. He is in the mainstream of pandemic response practices. And on top of all that, Trump is the one making the decisions. If Trump isn't in charge, then what is he there for? Why in the world should anyone return him to office?

[johnforbes]

It is absolutely true that country after country around the world went into the same sort of lockdown.

However, that doesn't mean it was the best thing to do, and WHO now praises the Swedish approach.

As the doctor in CA suggested, the lockdowns probably weaken the immune system, delay herd immunity, and actually hurt society.

[Clownkicker]

^^^^^^^ Look at johnny slither away from his idiotic Fauci/Democrat conspiracy theory.


"As the doctor in CA suggested, the lockdowns probably weaken the immune system, delay herd immunity, and actually hurt society."-johnforbes

Yes, he "suggested" his own theory but doesn't have the data to instigate a response based on his theory. A suggestion is not scientific evidence, johnny. It is a point of departure for discussion and that's all.

When will you finally admit that Trump failed to adequately prioritize broad nationwide testing to gather the needed data to make a rational, science-based response to the virus? Why do you keep dancing around that unavoidable fact, johnny.
You can't erase Trump's glaring failings by simply pointing your finger elsewhere. We aren't all Trump drones here.

[johnforbes]

There is no science to support lockdowns either.

No science to support closing a beach.

Look, this is pure politics from Democrats.

[Clownkicker]

"Look, this is pure politics from Democrats."-johnfibs

^^^^^^ And there's johnny back to his idiotic Fauci/Democrat/global-pandemic-response-conspiracy-against-Trump theory again, with its corollary that Trump is impotent and irrelevant.


"There is no science to support lockdowns either."-johnfibs

There is plenty of science to support such a response to pandemics, johnny. In some instances it works. For example, when the medical infrastructure would be overrun with cases that could not be treated due to inadequate facilities and the entire healthcare system could collapse due to ill front line care providers and lack of supplies, that's when you want to slow a virus with stay at home orders. Also, when you don't have sufficient information about virus mortality rates, you slow the spread until you know what you are facing. (To date, the mortality rate in Japan is over 1%, while in Africa it is around 3%. This is much worse that the seasonal flu.)

If only someone had mobilized widespread testing back in February after he had been warned for months to do so, we wouldn't be sitting here today listening to Trump supporters whining about their 'freedom' that was curtailed by Trump's inaction.

[johnforbes]

Please provide references to scholarly articles supporting closing parks, beaches, etc.

[Clownkicker]

Please do your own homework, johnny.

[johnforbes]

Given the incredible scholarly ability of people like Elkindope, MD, PhD, I just figured they could quickly furnish citations.

Or aren't there any scholarly articles at all supporting closure of beaches and parks, and the Democrat governors are just making up nonsense?

[elklindo69]

So Johnnie are you claiming that social distancing doesn't work?

Respiratory illnesses are transmitted from one person to another when a person who is not infected inhales droplets from a person who is infected. This is a scientifically proven fact.

Therefore social distancing is an appropriate means of reducing the transmission of respiratory illnesses.

This is not something made up by democratic politicians. The guidance is coming out of the CDC and from the scientific community based upon decades of research . Unfortunately partisan dimwits like John Forbes and Trumpers go out without masks and don't follow social distancing guidance. And from what I understand there was a flareup of coronavirus cases in the Michigan capital right after the Trump Nazi flag waving and rocket launcher rally.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 5717301773

[johnforbes]

The goal of a vaccine, and of not having lockdowns, is the same one -- herd immunity.

Random studies have already shown wide asymptomatic spread, so the lockdown at this point merely delay population immunity.

If masks are now essential, why did Fauci say on Feb 17 there was "absolutely" no reason "whatsoever" to wear one?

[Clownkicker]

"If masks are now essential, why did Fauci say on Feb 17 there was "absolutely" no reason "whatsoever" to wear one?"-johnflubs

Uhhh, politics? Ya think? Duhhh.....

First of all, Fauci didn't want to be fired by Trump before he could be allowed to do his job.
And he didn't want people soaking up the woefully inadequate supply of PPE in a panic leaving health care providers unprotected. With stay at home orders (which he supported) people wouldn't need the masks since they wouldn't be going out much until an adequate supply could be produced.

You just aren't too bright, are you, johnny.

But it's really puzzling how you keep saying Fauci is completely wrong now but continue to insist he was completely right then. It's like your some sort of hypocrite.

[johnforbes]

No, Fauci was honest on Feb 17 for saying there was "absolutely" no reason "whatsoever" to wear masks.

However, if a person has a face like Clown's, then he should wear a mask.