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By elklindo69
#119901
It looks like we now have a situation where a whole bunch of whistle blowers who are falling all over each other in a mad dash to tell the whole wide world about Trump's stupid crimes....

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A second whistleblower has come forward about President Donald Trump’s attempts to get the Ukrainian president to investigate a political rival, lawyers for the official said on Sunday.

Lawyer Mark Zaid said the person, also an intelligence official, has first-hand knowledge of some of the allegations involving the initial whistleblower complaint, which triggered impeachment proceedings against the Republican president.

The second official has been interviewed by the intelligence community’s inspector general, Michael Atkinson, Zaid said.

The first whistleblower complaint, filed with the inspector general on Aug. 12, cited information received from half a dozen U.S. officials expressing concern that Trump was using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country as he seeks re-election a second term in 2020.

It also alleged that Trump leveraged $400 million in aid to secure a promise from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy to investigate a Democratic rival, former Vice President Joe Biden, and his son Hunter Biden, who served as a director on a Ukrainian energy company.

“I can confirm that my firm and my team represent multiple whistleblowers in connection to the underlying August 12, 2019, disclosure to the Intelligence Community Inspector General,” Andrew Bakaj, a second lawyer, said on Twitter.

Mark Zaid said on Twitter that the second whistleblower “also made a protected disclosure under the law and cannot be retaliated against.” He told ABC News earlier the second official has been interviewed by the inspector general.

Confirmation of a second whistleblower followed stirrings of discontent within Trump’s own Republican Party after he called on China on Friday to investigate Biden’s son, who had business dealings in China.

Republican U.S. Senators Mitt Romney, Ben Sasse and Susan Collins expressed concerns about Trump reaching out to foreign countries to help him in his 2020 re-election bid.

However, other Republicans stood firmly in support of Trump on Sunday, echoing the president’s insistence that the call was not significant.

Trump railed against the “do-nothing” Democrats’ impeachment on Sunday on Twitter with a string of retweets from supporters, touting his high approval ratings among Republicans and reprising his criticism of Romney.

The telephone call with Zelenskiy, a summary of which was released by the White House, and the whistleblower complaint prompted House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi to launch an impeachment inquiry on Sept. 24. She said Trump’s attempts to solicit foreign interference jeopardized U.S. election integrity and threatened national security.

Democrats said any finding that Trump withheld taxpayer money, already approved by Congress to help Ukraine, in exchange for a favor from Zelenkiy would strengthen the case against him.

Trump has maintained there was no “quid pro quo” in his request of the Ukrainian president, but text messages released by congressional committees leading the inquiry showed otherwise.

The committees released the texts involving Trump’s Ukraine envoy, Kurt Volker, after he testified behind closed doors on Thursday.

The committees this week expect to hear from another U.S. diplomat, Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland, a committee official confirmed on Sunday. Sondland worked closely with Volker and Trump’s personal lawyer Rudolph Giuliani on the Ukraine effort.
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By RealJustme
#119904
Elk what's your point? It doesn't make any difference if 100 people come forward and say they know about the call and what was said. Hell I even know about the call and what was said, Trump released the transcript. :D
By johnforbes
#119905
This whole thing, we now know, was planned and coordinated.

This so-called "whistleblower" was a partisan Democrat, he/she heard a rumor, then he contacted Schiff's office and spoke to more Democrats, then a former lawyer for Schumer wrote up the complaint in apparent concert with Schiff's staffers, so this was all political and all planned.

And, given those contacts with a politician and no direct knowledge, it becomes clear this was just a partisan attempt to do Fake Dossier Part 2 and nothing remotely resembling a real whistleblower complaint.

Who in the IG's office approved the form change to even permit this rumor?
By elklindo69
#119919
Johnnie's hearsay defense just got blown out of the water because the 2nd whistleblower has corroborated the first whistleblower. Since the hearsay will not work....now Johnnie breaks out the "it's all a mass conspiracy" against Trump defense. Tell us how that one works out.

However, if you were aware of Trump’s bribery of Ukraine, you’re either an accomplice or a whistleblower. And you’re fucked if you’re an accomplice. That’s why a 2nd whistleblower is considering coming forward.

There will be more.
By elklindo69
#119920
johnforbes wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:33 pm This whole thing, we now know, was planned and coordinated.

This so-called "whistleblower" was a partisan Democrat, he/she heard a rumor, then he contacted Schiff's office and spoke to more Democrats, then a former lawyer for Schumer wrote up the complaint in apparent concert with Schiff's staffers, so this was all political and all planned.

And, given those contacts with a politician and no direct knowledge, it becomes clear this was just a partisan attempt to do Fake Dossier Part 2 and nothing remotely resembling a real whistleblower complaint.

Who in the IG's office approved the form change to even permit this rumor?
Johnnie, you don't know the identity of the whistle blower. You are just making up stupid shit again.

Five steaming piles of bullshit for you...........
By Clownkicker
#119922
johnforbes looks like a buffoon arguing that Trump was caught in an organized sting operation, so his crime should be overlooked and excused.
By elklindo69
#119924
The other day Gym Jordan made up the "Trump was joking around" defense.

Now you know why the are called "republicons."
By johnforbes
#119925
This whole thing, we now know, was planned and coordinated.

This so-called "whistleblower" was a partisan Democrat, he/she heard a rumor, then he contacted Schiff's office and spoke to more Democrats, then a former lawyer for Schumer wrote up the complaint in apparent concert with Schiff's staffers, so this was all political and all planned.

And, given those contacts with a politician and no direct knowledge, it becomes clear this was just a partisan attempt to do Fake Dossier Part 2 and nothing remotely resembling a real whistleblower complaint.

Who in the IG's office approved the form change to even permit this rumor?
By Clownkicker
#119929
johnforbes looks like a buffoon arguing that Trump was caught in an organized sting operation, so his crime should be overlooked and excused.

"We can't bring Trump up on charges. It would be partisan politics to hold a Republican responsible for his crimes."-johnflubs
By johnforbes
#119933
This whole thing, we now know, was planned and coordinated.

This so-called "whistleblower" was a partisan Democrat, he/she heard a rumor, then he contacted Schiff's office and spoke to more Democrats, then a former lawyer for Schumer wrote up the complaint in apparent concert with Schiff's staffers, so this was all political and all planned.

And, given those contacts with a politician and no direct knowledge, it becomes clear this was just a partisan attempt to do Fake Dossier Part 2 and nothing remotely resembling a real whistleblower complaint.

Who in the IG's office approved the form change to even permit this rumor?
By elklindo69
#119936
Yeah Johnnie...it was all planed and coordinated in your pea brain.

No whistleblower in their right mind would ever put his career and family’s safety in harm’s way over someone who’s “done nothing wrong.”
By sillydaddy
#119969
No whistleblower in their right mind would ever put his career and family’s safety in harm’s way over someone who’s “done nothing wrong.”
How would you know, Elk?

"Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow knows!" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
By johnforbes
#119981
The right to confront your accuser is among the most basic in Anglo-Saxon legal history.

So some partisan cowards want to leak classified info, but do so while pretending to be whistleblowers?
By Clownkicker
#119987
johnny, the right to confront your accuser is not even relevant here. THE FACTS are Trump's accuser. He released the transcript himself proving that the claims about the call are true. You don't need to 'confront' the accuser and ask if he told the truth about the claim. Trump admitted to it already. The guy's motives don't matter if everything he said is true, as it appears it is.

If Trump can't address the proven facts of the claims, then he's toast, regardless of who made the claims.

Note that johnforbes has never once addressed the actual claims but wants to get a criminal off on some perceived technicality. That's what America means to johnforbes. He couldn't care less if his President is a Banana Republic strongman abusing the laws of the land. If the guy makes hims feel safe, then all Constitutional principles a irrelevant to johnforbes.
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By RealJustme
#119988
He released the transcript himself proving that the claims about the call are true
Trump never denied making the call or saying what he did, so it doesn't matter if 100 leakers come forward, there's nothing there.
By Clownkicker
#119990
RealTool can't see the nose on his face, so it is no wonder he can't see something more abstract, like inviting illegal foreign interference in our elections for personal political advantage.

One needs to be able to read English to understand our laws which are written in English. That leaves out RealTool, unfortunately.
By johnforbes
#119998
There's nothing in that phone call even remotely improper.

Meanwhile, Joe Biden admitted on video to a quid pro quo with Ukraine re his corrupt son.
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