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By Clownkicker
#116452
I'm really mystified that johnforbes didn't start a thread saying: "Trump caught lying about being "totally exonerated" by the Mueller Report. Thoughts?"

Or RealTool not starting a thread about how disappointed he is about Trump and Barr intentionally misleading him for the past two months. And now it looks like Trump actually DID commit obstruction. RealTool is heartbroken this morning and couldn't face the rest of us with that much egg on his face.

I just thought it was very generous of Mueller to make a statement in support of everything that I have asserted here about the report and Trump. I told these clowns that the reason Mueller did not indict Trump is that he didn't have Constitutional authority to indict a sitting President. I told them there were at least eight counts of misconduct in the report that not even johnforbes bothered to read for himself. Yet he had a myopic, partisan opinion about it.

Anyway, I'm certain that now johnforbes and RealTool will both be back to apologize for their irrational mistreatment of me as they admit I was right.

As RealTool would say if he had the balls to post today: "Pass the popcorn!"
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By RealJustme
#116454
Well Mueller put the obstruction and conspiracy allegations to bed today. "We could not find anything to bring charges against Trump"

His own statement proves they were trying to find something to charge Trump with and couldn't. Now we can start investigations into the real crimes, those who attempted to frame our President!

Pass the popcorn. :laugh:
By Clownkicker
#116455
Tool, making up Stupid shit about something that everyone heard for themselves only flies with partisan conservative tools.

Which means only you, sillydummy, and johnforbes will believe you. *LOL*
By johnforbes
#116458
Prosecutors should either charge people or shut up.

Mueller's chief deputy, Weissmann, apparently knew even BEFORE the start of the probe that the dossier was fake and paid for by HIllary.

This was the centerpiece of the inquiry, and two months in they knew there was no collusion.

Based on his military service, I was willing to give Mueller a chance to be fair, but he spent another 22 months BEFORE he told the world there was no collusion.

That was simply an unfair and partisan act.
By Clownkicker
#116464
johnny, NO ONE should report the conclusions of their investigation until their investigation is concluded. This is because until the investigation is concluded, NO ONE knows what their conclusions will be, dimwit.

Remember, Mueller didn't say Trump didn't collude. He said they found no evidence sufficient to support charges.
That doesn't mean there is no evidence. It just means they didn't find it if it exists.

A week ago all you clowns were saying Mueller reported correctly and fairly and you believed your handlers when they told you the report "exonerated" Trump.

Now you're upset at Mueller again because you were duped by your own. When will you learn to direct your anger toward those who duped you instead of directing it at the only honest man in the room.

johnny, the report says what it says and you could read it if you chose to, but you didn't want to know the truth.
Now Mueller shoves it down your ignorant throat and you're choking on it the same way you did back in the day as a towel boy in Frisco.

Regardless, now you know beyond any shadow of a doubt that Trump has been lying to you for weeks, at the very least.
You no longer have any excuse for supporting the liar. You do it simply because you condone lying and can't pretend otherwise any longer. It's how one knows you're a conservative and a Republican.
By johnforbes
#116487
Not true.

Mueller himself put his report in two sections.

He could have, and should have, indicated no collusion 22 months ago.

He didn't because he hired a staff of 100 percent partisan Democrats, and they were looking to pin something on Trump whom they hate.

Meanwhile, corrupt top officials protected Hillary with a fake investigation and wiretapped Trump by telling lies to the FISA judge(s).
By Clownkicker
#116491
^^^^^^^^ johnny continues to condone Trump's lying to him and Trump's obstruction of justice.

Conservatism is an utterly bankrupt philosophy and moral system. Conservatives preach "rule of law" and then condone any crime if it furthers their partisan agenda.
By johnforbes
#116501
Mueller himself put his report in two sections.

He could have, and should have, indicated no collusion 22 months ago.

He didn't because he hired a staff of 100 percent partisan Democrats, and they were looking to pin something on Trump whom they hate.

Meanwhile, corrupt top officials protected Hillary with a fake investigation and wiretapped Trump by telling lies to the FISA judge(s).
By Clownkicker
#116507
^^^^^^^^ johnny continues to condone Trump's lying to him and Trump's obstruction of justice.

Not a single word of the slightest disapproval. It's all the proof we need of johnforbes' homosexuality.

No straight man would so willingly bend over and take it up the ass from Trump and Republicans.
By snakeoil
#116512
I love watching people twist themselves into pretzels trying to twist the facts to support their views. Or could this be the so-called "Alternative Facts?"
By johnforbes
#116515
Snakeoil, you obviously never went to law school.

Without an underlying crime (Mueller knew 22 mos ago there was none0, there could be no obstruction.

As to what Trump did and said, any president is a Chief Executive and obviously he could have fired Mueller.

Mueller hired 100 percent partisan Democrats, and he expended the last 22 months AFTER he knew there was no collusion, so he was hardly being honestly in pursuit of justice.
By Clownkicker
#116520
"Without an underlying crime (Mueller knew 22 mos ago there was none0, there could be no obstruction."-johnfibs

This is utterly untrue. Even Barr admitted as much in his testimony before Congress.

johnforbes either never attended law school, or else he was absent the day "obstruction" was taught.

"Obstructing Justice Under Federal Jurisdiction

Obstruction of justice is defined by federal statute as any "interference with the orderly administration of law and justice" and governed by 18 U.S.C. §§ 1501-1521. Federal code identifies more than 20 specific types of obstruction, including "Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees" (18 U.S.C. § 1505), the specific code section cited in the Nixon and Clinton articles of impeachment.

Other ways an individual may commit this offense include, but are not limited to, the following acts:

Influencing or injuring an officer or juror generally (18 U.S.C. § 1503)
Obstruction of criminal investigations (18 U.S.C. § 1510)
Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant (18 U.S.C. § 1512)
Retaliating against a witness, victim, or an informant (18 U.S.C. § 1513)
Destruction of corporate audit records (18 U.S.C. § 1520)

The crime can take any number of forms, whether it's bribery, tampering with evidence, lying to investigators, abusing one's power, or some other act intended to impede a criminal investigation. The federal obstruction of justice statute is written broadly and focuses more on the effect (or intended effect) of a particular action rather than the specific act itself. Therefore, seemingly innocuous acts could be construed as criminal activity if they have the intended effect of impeding justice."-

https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-c ... stice.html

johnforbes will now produce jack shit to support his frivolous claim.
By johnforbes
#116554
Snakeoil, you didn't go to law school, nor did Clown.

If either of you had, you would realize Mueller found no collusion, and that wasn't a crime anyhow (except in certain limited finance areas not relevant here).

Thus, there never was any possibility of technical obstruction, nor could Mueller indict a sitting president anyhow.

This was all -- and we all know this -- simply a political stunt by Democrats who couldn't accept their 2016 loss.

Mueller hired all Dems, and he pushed the probe only for TWO YEARS after he knew there was no collusion, so this was all just political nonsense.

Come on, we all know what it was.

And Dems need to drop the pretense of caring about the rule of law anyhow.

All Democrats now favor open borders -- id est, the destruction of our sovereignty.
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