[RealJustme]

Mueller "To dispel any rumors about the Manafort trial, I feel it necessary to clarify, the charges do not relate to allegations of Russian meddling or collusion with Trump figures in the 2016 campaign, but only focuses on allegations that Manafort cheated on his taxes over a several year period and lied about it."

So here's what I don't get, this is a Special Counsel put together to investigate Russian meddling in the 2016 elections, so why is the Special Counsel spending all this time and millions to pursue some guy's old tax returns. Maybe the judge in the case knows the answer?

You don’t really care about Mr. Manafort’s fraud," Ellis said, referring to the barrage of criminal charges leveled against the former Republican political operative. “What you really care about is what information Mr. Manafort could give you that would reflect on Mr. Trump or lead to his prosecution or impeachment. …The vernacular is to 'sing. No one would have blinked had the remarks come from Manafort’s defense attorneys. But the reason the otherwise uneventful May pretrial hearing made headlines is because the biting commentary came from the presiding judge. '"

So it's clear, the Special Counsel went outside it's scope of investigation to try and get Manafort to sing and since he won't sing, he's going to be punished. I have a feeling Judge Ellis is going to give the prosecution a really hard time since he knows the charges would never have been brought if they weren't out to get Trump.

Oh, one more thing Judge Ellis voted for Trump and Mueller attempted to get him removed but failed since it was pointed out that almost everyone on Mueller's hand picked team voted against Trump. Mueller couldn't have it both ways.

[johnforbes]

Manaford apparently should have registered as a foreign agent but may not have. Like many others who ignore this.

Also, he may not have done his taxes properly and should have.

But the ONLY reason to go after him was the hope that he would roll over on Trump and give them some opening to nail Trump for something.

This is precisely how "justice" works in a Banana Republic.

[Clownkicker]

A strongman fixes an election, takes power, weakens law enforcement and the judiciary, and hires his children, in-laws, and cronies to 'run' the government.

This is precisely how "democracy" works in a Banana Republic.

[johnforbes]

So JFK should not have hired his brother, inexperienced RFK, as Attorney General?

I concur.

As to the Left's very recent faux respect for the FBI and DoJ, come on.

Was the FBI wonderful when it tracked everything MLK did for decades?

Was the Dept of Justice wonderful before Brown v Board of Educ of Topeka, KS?

[RealJustme]

Day two into the testimony and Mueller's case is already falling apart. Rick Gates Mueller's star witness who made a plea deal with Mueller to tell all Manafort if given immunity now has backed out of testifying.

The federal judge presiding over the fraud trial of ex-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort rebuked Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team repeatedly on Tuesday, highlighting potential vulnerabilities in the first prosecution arising out of Mueller's ongoing Russia probe.

The 78-year-old Reagan-appointed judge, T.S. Ellis, sent jurors out of the courtroom several times as he reminded prosecutors that Manafort is not on trial for simply having a "lavish lifestyle."

Ellis also surprised the courtroom late Tuesday, saying, "Based upon what I've heard so far, I’m hoping to finish this case much sooner than anyone predicted.”

In a surprising moment, prosecutor Uso Asonye told Ellis that Rick Gates -- Manafort's former business partner who had been considered a star witness for the prosecution -- might not be called to the stand after all. You know who you are going to call,” Judge Ellis sharply told Asonye, you had better start making a case to back up your charges.

That disclosure prompted reporters to hustle out of the courtroom to report the news -- "scurry[ing] out of here like rats out of a sinking ship," Ellis said.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, none of that stuff is to the point, is it.

You just agreed that Ivanka and Jared Kushner shouldn't be in the White House, but predictably, you are silent about it. You couldn't even come out and say it in so many words right now. You're afraid of your ignorant cohorts here.

But the public not "respecting" the FBI for "tracking" one person is not the same thing as a President discrediting the entire Bureau, is it. You're trying to equate apples and oranges. One is about abuse of power against the public while the other is the public's right and duty to be upset by it.

And Brown v. Board of Education worked because the President supported the Judiciary, he didn't run it down as "so-called judges" while encouraging public distrust and contempt, as Trump is doing on a daily basis. At the same time he is undermining all news reporting as "fake news".

A banana republic strongman destroying confidence in law enforcement, the judiciary, and journalism is applying textbook Goebbels Principles.
You know this, but you are silent.
The others here are ignorant. You could do something about warning them of the dangers, but you don't.
You have no excuse. It's contemptible because you know better.

[namngulfvet]

A strongman fixes an election, takes power, weakens law enforcement and the judiciary, and hires his children, in-laws, and cronies to 'run' the government.

This is precisely how "democracy" works in a Banana Republic.

Ya we can all agree this is what Ojackass did. Glad to see your finally recognizing it..

[sillydaddy]

It was reported some days ago that Mueller had a long list of witnesses...liberals were dancing in the street!

having list of names is one thing ..getting them to testify is another...
and getting them to say what you want them to say is still another..
If one witness refuses to testify..it will send fear through the rest.. :o :lol:

[RealJustme]

Mueller "To dispel any rumors about the Manafort trial, I feel it necessary to clarify, the charges do not relate to allegations of Russian meddling or collusion with Trump figures in the 2016 campaign, but only focuses on allegations that Manafort cheated on his taxes over a several year period and lied about it."

It's really confusing why libtards hate Manafort so much, he's not even a politician but yet they're working themselves into a frenzy about the possibility of him on conviction for tax fraud. I'm betting that Manafort doesn't serve anytime in a prison and even if he did...it doesn't hurt Trump! :lol:

[Clownkicker]

It figures that all these hypocrite "law and order" conservatives find it unacceptable that someone is being prosecuted for tax fraud. Your own post makes it clear that Mueller is not targeting Trump with this trial, so why are you clowns so upset about this?

Manafort laundered millions of dollars, evaded taxes on it, then lied about it.
What do you morons find so admirable about that, and why do you think he shouldn't be prosecuted for it?

Will one of you grow a pair and tell the truth about why you really think Manafort should walk free despite his crimes?
Doesn't the law mean ANYTHING to you?

[RealJustme]

Manafort laundered millions of dollars, evaded taxes on it, then lied about it.

Wow, I must have missed the verdict, that was a quick trial, so clown why is the media silent about the conviction?

[Clownkicker]

Tool, this is not a court of law. It is okay to say what everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) knows.

I know you're stupid enough to believe OJ didn't kill anyone because he was acquitted, but stupid as you are, even you know Manafort laundered money and committed tax fraud. There is no doubt in your mind. You smirk and smile to yourself about it.

johnforbes knows, sillydummy knows, even namandgulfdumbfuck isn't such a dumbfuck that he doesn't know.

What amazes me is that you all know this stuff, but you still want to let him walk. You don't care if he defrauded the United States. You all hate America so much that you cheer him for doing it.
And if Manafort is convicted, you're all going to be here insisting Trump should pardon him. Every last one of you, because you hate America and the Constitution. You dream of a banana republic where a strongman dictator tells you what to do so you don't have to be afraid any more.

That's how corrupt conservatives have become. They no longer care if someone breaks the law and cheats America. Conservatives applaud them for doing so. And if they're white and rich enough, you don't believe they should ever have to go to jail for their crimes.

Just watch and see if everything I just said isn't true.

[sillydaddy]

It figures that all these hypocrite "law and order" conservatives find it unacceptable that someone is being prosecuted for tax fraud. Your own post makes it clear that Mueller is not targeting Trump with this trial, so why are you clowns so upset about this?

You don’t really care about Mr. Manafort’s fraud," Ellis said, referring to the barrage of criminal charges leveled against the former Republican political operative. “What you really care about is what information Mr. Manafort could give you that would reflect on Mr. Trump or lead to his prosecution or impeachment. …

Clown you may want to examine what is meant by "the letter of the law vs the spirit of the law".

You will see who the hypocrites really are...that is, if you're the honest man you claim to be.. :o

[Clownkicker]

Okay, dummy, let's pretend they don't "care" about Manafort.
They do care, of course, but lets say they don't, just for fun.

Now, given all the evidence against Manafort, in your opinion, should Manafort be tried for tax fraud or not?
Even if nobody 'cares' about his crimes, should he be tried for his crimes? It's a simple question.

Remember, this is a trick question. Only refusing to answer can save you from it.
And refusing to answer is what all partisan conservative weasels do.

[namngulfvet]

It's really confusing why libtards hate Manafort so much, he's not even a politician but yet they're working themselves into a frenzy about the possibility of him on conviction for tax fraud. I'm betting that Manafort doesn't serve anytime in a prison and even if he did...it doesn't hurt Trump

All you need to do is look at that ClownLicker and it proves your point.
ClownLicker accuses others of being hypocrites while he is the biggest hypocrite on the board. I can see him pounding and drooling all over his key board claiming Manafort is guilty.
But then ClownLicker has always been known for his liberal knee jerk reactions

[RealJustme]

Okay, dummy, let's pretend they don't "care" about Manafort.
They do care, of course

Even Mueller said the evidence against Manafort has nothing to with Trump or his campaign. So explain to us why they care if Manafort get's convicted for tax fraud for something done years ago while he had connections with Clinton and the Obama's administrations? Personally I'm hoping he does start singing, he has years of association with the Clintons and Obama Administration and only 3 month with Trump's campaign and never with Trump's Administration.

[Clownkicker]

They "care" because he broke the law and the statutes of limitations on the crimes haven't run out.
That's the funny thing about the law--it's the law and needs to be enforced.

And "something done years ago" is something done two years ago. Criminy, you think if someone can get away with something for a year they should get off scot-free? :shock:

And then you answered your own disingenuous question by giving us a good reason to prosecute Manafort.

Thanks for finally getting on board with the law, Tool. :lol: :lol:

[namngulfvet]

They "care" because he broke the law and the statutes of limitations on the crimes haven't run out.
That's the funny thing about the law--it's the law and needs to be enforced.

And "something done years ago" is something done two years ago. Criminy, you think if someone can get away with something for a year they should get off scot-free? :shock:

And then you answered your own disingenuous question by giving us a good reason to prosecute Manafort.

Thanks for finally getting on board with the law, Tool. :lol: :lol:

THIS IS HILARIOUS COMING FROM THE BOARD HYPOCRITE ! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

TALK ABOUT DOUBLE STANDARDS.... HYPOCRITE :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Clownkicker]

^^^^^^THIS IS HILARIOUS COMING FROM ANOTHER BOARD HYPOCRITE ! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

namandgulfdumbfuck finally understands that RealTool has been a longtime hypocrite. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Now, dimwit, please explain the "DOUBLE STANDARDS" you pretend to see. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[namngulfvet]

They "care" because he broke the law and the statutes of limitations on the crimes haven't run out.
That's the funny thing about the law--it's the law and needs to be enforced.

^^^^^^THIS IS HILARIOUS COMING FROM ANOTHER BOARD HYPOCRITE ! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

namandgulfdumbfuck finally understands that RealTool has been a longtime hypocrite. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Now, dimwit, please explain the "DOUBLE STANDARDS" you pretend to see. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sense when have you or any of your ilk ever gone with the law without cherry picking it.. Lesh you have always been a one sided partisan hack and you know it. Your the board hypocrite and moron. You make up excuses for anyone whos a liberal loon and put down anyone whos a conservative.. Again your a fucking hypocritical moron..

[johnforbes]

Sadly, the relevant authorities don't care at all about the law or whether it is enforced.

Hillary broke 18 USC 793 by putting classified email on her private server, and hostile foreign actors accessed it per the IG. But instead of prosecuting her, they covered it up.

Didn't Mills and Abedin tell the FBI they knew nothing about the private server, only to later have their emails released showing they did know very well and were discussing it?

Were they prosecuted, or were they given immunity so they could remain quiet and cover it up?

[RealJustme]

They "care" because he broke the law and the statutes of limitations on the crimes haven't run out.

If he did the crime let him do the time. So why are all the libtard's so excited about possibly putting this guy in jail? I thought the hate was for Trump? Plus why should Trump care if the guy does time for a crime?

[Clownkicker]

So we have namandgulfdumbfuck who couldn't show any hypocrisy on my part.

We have RealTool, who agrees Trump should butt out of the Manafort Trial, that Trump shouldn't try to influence the legitimate Manafort trial on twitter. Let Manafort do the time if found guilty.

And then we have johnforbes, who pusses out again, lacking the balls to support the Manafort prosecution and instead merely diverts to something beyond the control of anyone outside the Trump White House.
But will he criticize the Trump White house for their inaction?

Nope. He's too big a pussy.

[RealJustme]

We have RealTool, who agrees Trump should butt out of the Manafort Trial, that Trump shouldn't try to influence the legitimate Manafort trial on twitter. Let Manafort do the time if found guilty.

Trump isn't trying to influence the trial, the judge in the case has made the same statement Trump has. This is all about trying to force people associated with Trump to sing (compose) something Mueller can use against Trump and if they don't Mueller is going to destroy their lives and anyone around them.

[Clownkicker]

"Trump isn't trying to influence the trial,..."-RealTool


No, he's trying to impede the prosecution.

I know that's a subtle difference that eludes you.

[namngulfvet]

"Trump isn't trying to influence the trial,..."-RealTool


No, he's trying to impede the prosecution.

I know that's a subtle difference that eludes you.

Funny you werent this adamant about Hillary when she was being investigated .. Hypocrite..

[elklindo69]

Mueller scares the shit out of Trump.

On a side note...I hear that Trump's lawyers are split over an interrogation of Trump.

One half are afraid that Trump will tell the truth and the other half fear that he will lie!

LMFAO!!!

:lol:

[RealJustme]

Another bad day in court for Mueller's prosecutors. The judge once again demanded they start showing evidence of a crime and that being rich or spending a lot of money isn't a crime. He removed the jury from the room and said he would not tolerate the path the prosecution is taking, which is to make the jury "dislike" Manafort because of his lavish lifestyle.

[johnforbes]

Sadly, the relevant authorities don't care at all about the law or whether it is enforced.

Hillary broke 18 USC 793 by putting classified email on her private server, and hostile foreign actors accessed it per the IG. But instead of prosecuting her, they covered it up.

Didn't Mills and Abedin tell the FBI they knew nothing about the private server, only to later have their emails released showing they did know very well and were discussing it?

Were they prosecuted, or were they given immunity so they could remain quiet and cover it up?

[Clownkicker]

"Funny you werent this adamant about Hillary when she was being investigated .. Hypocrite.."-namandgulfstuntdumbfuck

Funny, I don't recall Obama tweeting every day about how he wanted the investigation shut down.
Be so good as to show the daily tweets Obama posted about shutting down the investigation into Hillary, stuntdumbfuck.
Thanks in advance.

What I want is that every investigation be carried out to completion. I'm always adamant about that. And if Trump were actually innocent of wrongdoing, he would want the same thing, as would you.. Hypocrite..

[RealJustme]

Funny, I don't recall Obama tweeting every day about how he wanted the investigation shut down.

What investigation? When the investigation first started, Obama went on national television and announced Hillary didn't do anything wrong and he's confident his investigators will agree with him when they conclude the investigation. It was a massive coverup as we all now know.

[Clownkicker]

So you're saying Obama coming out with one comment saying Hillary didn't do anything wrong is a "cover up", but Trump tweeting dozens of comments, and on a daily basis, about how this is a "witch hunt" (which is exactly the same as saying Manafort didn't do anything wrong) is NOT a cover up?

You stepped in it again, Tool. It's a massive cover up as we all know. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[RealJustme]

So you're saying Obama coming out with one comment saying Hillary didn't do anything wrong is a "cover up"

It wasn't a cover up, Obama was just making it clear Hillary wouldn't be charged by "his peoples".

[elklindo69]

So you're saying Obama coming out with one comment saying Hillary didn't do anything wrong is a "cover up"

It wasn't a cover up, Obama was just making it clear Hillary wouldn't be charged by "his peoples".

So you said before it was a cover up...now you're saying it's NOT a cover up.

You're getting confused by your own fake news...

:lol:

[RealJustme]

So you said before it was a cover up...now you're saying it's NOT a cover up.

Obama thought he was unstoppable and made it clear his "peoples" were to cover it up so Hillary would become the next President so he would be the next Supreme Court Justice, he didn't even try to cover that up because he thought "it was written". Hillary was floored when she lost but Obama was devastated, he spent months in hiding undergoing therapy to cope with what had happened. Trump wasn't suppose to be.

[Clownkicker]

"When the investigation first started, Obama went on national television and announced Hillary didn't do anything wrong and he's confident his investigators will agree with him when they conclude the investigation. It was a massive coverup as we all now know."-RealTool

"It wasn't a cover up, Obama was just making it clear Hillary wouldn't be charged by "his peoples"."-RealFool

You stepped in it again, Tool. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[snakeoil]

I totally agree with all of your posts here. Well written! Conservatives are forgetting one of the unwritten,but basic rules of a democracy...No man is above the law no matter who he is.

[namngulfvet]

I totally agree with all of your posts here. Well written! Conservatives are forgetting one of the unwritten,but basic rules of a democracy...No man is above the law no matter who he is.

Good job Snake!

[snakeoil]

Justme...Where are you getting this info? I've said this before, you are breaking the law using copyrighted quotes without attributing the source.

https://www.lib.purdue.edu/uco/Copyrigh ... lties.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

1. Infringer pays the actual dollar amount of damages and profits.
2. The law provides a range from $200 to $150,000 for each work infringed.
3. Infringer pays for all attorneys fees and court costs.
4. The Court can issue an injunction to stop the infringing acts.
5. The Court can impound the illegal works.
6. The infringer can go to jail.

[johnforbes]

The problem is that we now know that law "enforcement" and "justice" agencies allowed Hillary to skate entirely free when they knew very well she broke 18 USC 793.

Go read it.

Anybody who reads it understands that Hillary contravened it.

Because top officials hated Trump, they protected Hillary with a totally fake investigation, even writing her exoneration draft before 17 witnesses (including her) were interviewed.

[snakeoil]

with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States,

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[RealJustme]

Justme...Where are you getting this info? I've said this before, you are breaking the law using copyrighted quotes without attributing the source.

Snake where do you come up with this shit?

[snakeoil]

please read the post before you feel compelled to offer your two cents worth. I posted the link, which you do not since you are afraid that someone will find that you are quoting an off-the-wall source.

[Clownkicker]

snake, RealTool doesn't fail to include attributions because his shit comes from an off-the-wall source.

He fails to post an attribution because he nearly always adds or subtracts words, or even entire sentences, to or from his quotations. And sometimes the absurd non sequiturs included give him away as well. Yet other times you learn from his source (when you track it down yourself) that the article itself debunks the content of his quotation as being untrue.
Sometimes his source actually concluded the exact opposite of his assertion.

He honestly doesn't understand how I catch him making up stupid shit. Being illiterate, he usually misspells words or includes atrocious grammar in his made up parts. It's a dead giveaway every time.

I just can't get him to take an ESL class to keep him from giving himself away. :lol:

[namngulfvet]

snakeoil wrote:
I totally agree with all of your posts here. Well written! Conservatives are forgetting one of the unwritten,but basic rules of a democracy...No man is above the law no matter who he is.

Talk a about hypocrisy. here you tell us no man is above the law! then later one you excuse the fact that Comey allow Hillary to slide without being investigated.

[Clownkicker]

I didn't excuse anything, you lying sack of shit. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[RealJustme]

please read the post before you feel compelled to offer your two cents worth.

Snake that shit doesn't pertain to discussion boards, what rock are you hiking under. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[namngulfvet]

I didn't excuse anything, you lying sack of shit. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Learn to read and comprehend Clown. Learn to read!