[johnforbes]

In 2008, the campaigns of Obama and McCain where informed by the FBI that their computer networks had been “infiltrated” by foreign hackers from Russia and China. A year later, Obama speaks at the New Economic School in Moscow…a few salient excerpts….may have treasonous overtones for some.

….“To begin with, let me be clear: America wants a strong, peaceful, and prosperous Russia. This belief is rooted in our respect for the Russian people, and a shared history between our nations that goes beyond competition.

…...we also recognize the future benefit that will come from a strong and vibrant Russia. …...These challenges demand global partnership, and that partnership will be stronger if Russia occupies its rightful place as a great power.
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…That's why I have called for a "reset" in relations between the United States and Russia. This must be more than a fresh start between the Kremlin and the White House -- though that is important and I've had excellent discussions with both your President and your Prime Minister (did that include meddling in our elections). It must be a sustained effort among the American and Russian people to identify mutual interests, and expand dialogue and cooperation that can pave the way to progress.

….. It is not for me to define Russia's national interests, but I can tell you about America's national interests, and I believe that you will see that we share common ground.”

…..State sovereignty must be a cornerstone of international order. Just as all states should have the right to choose their leaders, states must have the right to borders that are secure, and to their own foreign policies
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…… And let me be clear: NATO should be seeking collaboration with Russia, not confrontation.

[Clownkicker]

It's very encouraging to see johnforbes finally supporting Obama's policies for change.

Sure, it took him ten years, but maybe he IS capable of learning.

[johnforbes]

I'd like to thank Clown for admitting that Obama was incredibly weak toward Russia.

Indeed, in Oct of 2016, Obama scoffed at the notion that Russia even could affect the US election.

And Susan Rice called off any effort to look into that.

[Clownkicker]

I'd like to thank johnforbes for admitting that Trump is incredibly weak toward Russia.

Trump is doing the same things and far worse today.

Hypocrite johnforbes couldn't care less what Trump is doing now when he pretends it was bad when Obama did it.

[sillydaddy]

".. some of the toughest sanctions in years have fallen on Russia’s elite under the Trump administration. Sanctions imposed over Russia’s invasion of Crimea in 2014 have not been lifted, Trump approved the sale of lethal weapons to Ukraine — something Barack Obama did not do — and he has ordered missiles fired at Syrian military sites, openly targeting strategic operations and allies of Russia....."

But then critics say Trump is soft on Russia because of his reluctance to accept the US intelligence conclusions
that Russia meddled in the 2016 election to his benefit....
Of course if he accepts that...he falls into the Demos trap and they can then say his presidency is not legit...!
and isn't that what they have been trying for since his first day in office? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[johnforbes]

Obama was incredibly weak toward Russia.

Indeed, in Oct of 2016, Obama scoffed at the notion that Russia even could affect the US election.

And Susan Rice called off any effort to look into that.

[Clownkicker]

Once again johnforbes is making up stupid shit.

Obama never scoffed at Russia being able to affect our elections.

He scoffed at the idea that Russia could effect our voting process; voting machines, vote counting, etc..

johnny, why is it the only way you can ever make an argument is by twisting what people say into dishonest fact and semantics games?
You know what you post isn't true, but you post it anyway.

[RealJustme]

Obama never scoffed at Russia being able to affect our elections.

Guess it's how you define the word "scoff". Obama did promise the American public that neither Russia or anyone else could influence our election system which he said was safe from tampering.

[johnforbes]

Clownslacker was making a distinction without a difference.

Obama in Oct 2016 scoffed at the notion that Russia could affect our elections, citing in part the many ways in which votes are counted.

Susan Rice told those looking into the issue to stand down.

Most likely, the Dems were planning even then to tell THE BIG LIE and blame Russia on the odd chance Trump should win.

[Clownkicker]

"...citing in part the many ways in which votes are counted."-johnforbes
"He scoffed at the idea that Russia could effect our voting process; voting machines, vote counting, etc.."-me

And again johnforbes agrees with what I said but feels compelled to appear to disagree with me.
This is because he failed to find any quotations from Obama to support his lie, so he tries no to reword it into saying something else.

As I said (and johnforbes repeated) Obama was only talking about the actual election mechanics, the voting machines, the vote counting, the vote reporting, etc..

Obama never said Russia couldn't influence our elections. NEVER.
That's why you couldn't back up your assertion, johnny. It's made up stupid shit.

[RealJustme]

Obama never said "Russia" couldn't influence our elections.

Obama- "The suggestion that anyone can influence our elections is erroneous and meant to mislead the American public."

You're right Clown, he didn't specify Russia when he said anyone. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Clownkicker]

There's only one problem with your quotation, Tool--- you made it up. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[divermouse]

John, Obama did indeed seek better relations with russia, so would much of the world. But I don't think he asked for us to bend over and take it in the ass for the goal. OR for his personal profit. it's like the repubs forget the knowing glare obama sent standing beside putin at some meeting. (sorry no reference i forget), but the message was very clear; "we ain't taking your bullshit". as opposed to W, "i looked into his soul, and hes a fuckn angel". and the orangutan lap dog it's all about you putin sweetheart. after knowing he jacked up more than an election. several peoples lives have come to an abrupt halt at his hands. mr $200 billion, making lap dogs worth look like child's play. god damn, the girls of pussy riot has more balls than mr flip flop on steroid, and his tool box of following lemmings.

clown... not so fast there on the election manipulation. I remind you of ms Reality Winner in jail for leaking russian hackers attacked voting software supplier. which is way more than hacking into voter rolls. they weren't there just looking about drinking cheap vodka. and indeed i have no proof but my bet is they jacked up the numbers, officials now it, but do not want to panic the sheep... gotta love diabold a company that says unhackable, took a guy 90 min to hack into.

[johnforbes]

Obama did bend over for the Saudi ruler, but not Trump.

If the Russians hijacked the election, why wasn't one single vote affected?

If the Russians hacked the DNC's server, why didn't they turn it over to forensic experts?

Why did foreign entities gain access to Hillary's email from her private server?

Is Putin a wonderful person? Heck no, he is a former KGB agent who very much has the self-interest of Russia in mind.

And no president since JFK has been tougher on Russia. And JFK even admitted he was too soft early on, which led to the Cuban Missile Crisis.

[divermouse]

john;
Obama did bend over for the Saudi ruler, but not Trump.
and your point is a big void, nothing but a smart-ass non sequitur. clue the house of saude did not hack anything. putins palls apparently did.
If the Russians hijacked the election, why wasn't one single vote affected?
are you soooo sure? see Reality Winter in jail for leaking putins palls hacked into the software of voting machine mfg. note that's not the voter rolls of states, but the SOFTWARE... are you all about win at any cost? < thats a real question.
If the Russians hacked the DNC's server, why didn't they turn it over to forensic experts?
im just going to assume you are drunk on this one
Why did foreign entities gain access to Hillary's email from her private server?
Russia if your listening I hope you can find those emails (after he knew they had hummm, no conclusion my ass.
Is Putin a wonderful person? Heck no, he is a former KGB agent who very much has the self-interest of Russia in mind.
what are you saying here?? zebra changed his stripes?
And no president since JFK has been tougher on Russia. And JFK even admitted he was too soft early on, which led to the Cuban Missile Crisis.
none tougher? ya after the senate or was it the house passed the sanctions he tried to remove in a rush of Kremlin desire. are you a russian operative?

[johnforbes]

Obama bowing to the Saudi ruler was quite germane, as was Obama's apology tour where he blamed America.

Both Obama, the IG, and Mueller's indictments said no votes were affected.

Me "drunk"? No, I don't drink.

If the DNC was hacked, why was it afraid to turn over its server to forensic experts at the FBI?

No, I'm Irish, not Russian.

However, I did have a girlfriend long ago who had Russian hands...