[FastFive]

How awesome is this girl?

Trying to be Serious

Everything about her is awesome, but that last image of her trying to contain the laugh.... great stuff. :mrgreen:

[linnea]

She is gorgeous! Oh to be that young again lol

[Jbe]

Fast, I agree she is nice to look at and I'd be more inclined to comment more, but I don't recall her ever coming on to the Forums. Another "professional amateur"?

[Nick2009]

Hi Dear Guys! I know that is one Pro Photographer with his pro gang from Kiev, Ukraine... He have there more than 6 models at the same time.... I wonder and very surprised and VERY upset of course that Voyeurweb close their eyes.... Ve ry strange.... Where is our GREAT OLD VOYEURWEB??????

Nicole with love

[FastFive]

Do you have proof of that Nick? Any links to this photographers work with Berta, or others?

[Nick2009]

Of course I have a lot of evidence and facts that can help expose this gang ... In addition, the photographer has more than 6 models at the same time here, he has a special program for cheating votes (while it reduces considerably the competition points). You can view the global ranking, and you will understand .... This man found me on social networks, and also proposed to wind up my score if I'm pay him part of my prize money each month ... And there are a lot of another facts. But one day I wrote adminimtratoram and they responded dryly enough that they do not care who takes pictures of models ....

Earlier OLD GREAT Voyeurveb was very strict and there were many disqualifications associated with it. Now on the site a complete mess and I am very disappointed. We, as amateurs and old participants, can not fight with professional gangs, when Voyeurweb the leadership with them at the same time (((sorry ... Where is good old Voyeurveb ?????

[SomeDude]

First, welcome back to the forum, Nick2009, and thank you for many years of great posts. I've called your name out here before as one of the reasons to keep coming back to this site!

I don't know about Berta's situation. You've been here a long time and know there's always been a tension on this site between shots that are "too good to be amateur" and real amateurs. While the site was overrun with what was clearly studio shots a few years ago (same staged backgrounds, etc.) there seems to be less of that these days. Frankly, if you're an actual pro with multiple models on the payroll, there's better money elsewhere. As for vote manipulation, I'm a bit surprised that there's a mafia selling up and downvotes (again, the money isn't THAT much) but the technology is pretty straight forward and it's human nature to game anything with a number - especially when money is involved - so I don't find it unbelievable at all. There is a place for a photographer that has legitimately multiple models doing it for fun, but hopefully everyone agrees that a pro shooter with multiple models on the payroll is a foul.

As for old Voyeurweb, there was good and bad of the pre-2012 era, but the "vibe" is definitely different now. This generation pretty much won't interact with models or viewers, has a terrible grasp of statistics (a contri that's voted on for one day can't be compared to a contri up for 30, rankings swing wildly - though that may be due to fewer viewers voting, etc.), and has demonstrated apathy that people are gaming the system. Stolen pics from other sites with watermarks cropped are allowed (stealing votes and comments from actual posters) and the site doesn't act. Rude commenters and repeat picture fakers are never banned. (You remember the days of looking cross-eyed at Igor and being banned.) That you were unable to get the attention of the admins shows that they have no grasp of your years of contributions here. I agree it's become a mess.