[elklindo69]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDl8SWckRaM

[johnforbes]

Have you ever been to Shanghai?

[sillydaddy]

Elk celebrates what he sees as an Obama accomplishment. Obama is quite the savvy negotiator ....he simply made a promise to cut greenhouse gases for the next US President to keep.

[Clownkicker]

Why all the idiotic posturing from you clowns?

You know perfectly well that the Senate will never ratify this treaty and Obama knew this.
So he gave away nothing.

You dimwits really need to wake up to political realities and what they mean to the larger world.

[johnforbes]

In Shanghai, the air is sometimes as yellow as the streak of yellow in Clownhicker.

[tvd]

^^^^^^^^^^

See.....this is a position I just do not understand.

Clown appears to be Ok with deception.
He brushes it off as just politics, and that we don't understand...we are too dumb to understand the deception.

But he does.

I remember a post a few months ago....he basically said politicians lie...what do you expect?
That kinda post....I am sorry I don't recall the exact phrases, and I am not gonna go looking.
But I noted in my mind....this guy seems to be OK with the lies and deception.

So, I ask you Clown....how do you decide who to vote for? Do you pick the best liar?
How do you determine which lie is palatable to you?

I for one want truth and honesty in the guys I vote to elect, and have been sorely disappointed for most of my life.

Clinton's lies and deception, flagrant, obvious violation of the laws regarding lying to a Grand Jury, suborning perjury, tampering with evidence, and obstruction of justice were the crowning pinnacle of my disappointment.
I hate that motherfucker with all my being....but I digress....

But I bet all of that was OK with Clown....cause it was just politics, and I surely just did not understand.
I wasn't nuanced enough. A lie is OK as long as the reason is acceptable. It was, after all, just Slick Willie.

What say you Clown? Am I right?

[johnforbes]

An honest person will dislike Nixon's dishonesty and LBJ's dishonesty, but still be candid and dislike Obama's dishonesty too.

For a person like Clownhicker, he dislikes dishonesty ONLY from the other party.

When Jonathan Gruber admits Obamacare was rammed through on the basis of lies, Clownhacker says that's fine.

[sillydaddy]

I guess Obama must clear all his decisions with Clown.....he certainly knows what Obama is thinking.

[Clownkicker]

"An honest person will dislike Nixon's dishonesty and LBJ's dishonesty, but still be candid and dislike Obama's dishonesty too."-johnforbes

Wrong, johnny, you miss the point yet again.
I don't dislike LBJ because he was dishonest. I dislike LBJ because he sent tens of thousands to die for nothing.
That's not my opinion. That's Sec. McNamara's opinion and LBJ's own opinion. If you haven't heard the tapes of them discussing this or read McNamara's book on it, then do so. It's horrifying.
I don't dislike Nixon because he was dishonest. I dislike Nixon because he used his dishonesty to destroy people's lives and careers and to subvert the Constitution, just because he could.

The problem with "dishonesty" or "deception" is you have to navigate the grays to evaluate it as being "good" or "bad".
If you're going to say all dishonesty is bad per se, and that all dishonesty is equally bad, then you have just indicted most of the parents in America for lying to their children about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. You've indicted every doctor who told a 10-year-old surgical patient before surgery that everything would be okay when he knew it wouldn't.
You've indicted every husband that has told his wife she looks as beautiful as the day they met or that her butt doesn't look fat in those jeans.
You've indicted every undercover agent that fabricated a cover story. You've indicted every police officer who set up a sting operation.

There are times for dishonesty and deception. And I don't believe a single one of you could say otherwise.
Did Obama kill 30,000 U.S. soldiers and maim 100,000 more for nothing with his dishonesty?
No, he got a few million poor people health care insurance who couldn't afford it.
Well FUCK HIM! It's the end of the world as we know it!
You guys need to get some perspective.

The problem with any deception by Obama and his health care deal is not that he got people covered who couldn't afford it.
The problem is he was too green, he didn't have the political savvy to take on the insurance companies and win. (A man's got to know his limitations.)
So he settled for a terrible Romney/Republican 'private sector' solution to the problem instead of holding out for a single payer system like he wanted in the first place.

"For a person like His Lordship, he dislikes dishonesty ONLY from the other party."-johnfibs

Even you know that's an outright lie, johnny.
And you even suggested as much in your first line that I quoted ,
I've explicitly condemned Johnson more than once on this forum for what he did to you and this country and you know it.
Party has nothing to do with it. Why would I give a flying fuck about the Democrats?

"When Jonathan Gruber admits Obamacare was rammed through on the basis of lies, His Lordship says that's fine."-johnflops

I defy you to provide a quotation where I said any such thing.
But you won't because you can't, as always.



tvd, I will try to get back to you on your queries. Your last post is one of the few interesting posts on this forum because it actually discusses a point of view.
But a serious question takes an actual effort that takes time to respond adequately. There is no two-line answer. It may be a few days before I find that time.


All I can say right now is that you thoroughly misunderstand my position on these things.

[Malcolm]

See.....this is a position I just do not understand.

I thought you were referring to your pro-pic....


I don't dislike LBJ because he was dishonest. I dislike LBJ because he sent tens of thousands to die for nothing.

Aaannnd, this....

[tvd]

See.....this is a position I just do not understand.

I thought you were referring to your pro-pic....

YES!!! Now that is funny!. Very good. The ol' "worst hunting dog in the world" photo.

Thx for the serious response Clown....

But, we aren't talking about Santa, etc. We are talking about our leaders. And I feel the "more honest" the better.
We get lie after lie after lie from these bozos (Clown reference there), and it is very clear to me that they are not in those jobs to represent us, protect us, work for us, but that they are in their jobs to line their own pockets.

Duh.

[johnforbes]

A semi-employed pothead like Lucky couldn't care less who LBJ drafted and what became of them.

An honest person will dislike Nixon's dishonesty and LBJ's dishonesty, but still be candid and dislike Obama's dishonesty too.

For a person like Clownhicker, he dislikes dishonesty ONLY from the other party.

When Jonathan Gruber admits Obamacare was rammed through on the basis of lies, Clownhacker says that's fine.

[sillydaddy]

Obama has been practicing his form of deception from the first day of his first national campaign. If you will recall he was caught plagiarizing his speeches from sources that were easily verified. Obama lying from the very start.

[elklindo69]

Have you ever been to Shanghai?

Have you ever been to Beijing?