[snakeoil]

No matter which way you lean politically, I think that you will agree that Congress has done a terrible job creating and maintaining American Jobs. While some will say that it is not government's job to create jobs, I maintain that it is. Since the government has taken managing the economy as one of it's functions, it owes citizens a chance to find work that pays enough to maintain a reasonable lifestyle. I feel that the current political climate ignores some basic facts about workers, the economy and gGeorge Santayanovernment.

1. A vibrant economy with very low unemployment is necessary to maintain said economy and to provide the revenue the government needs to function.

2. A low unemployment rate that includes all members of society means less crime, more opportunities, more small business and growth for existing businesses.

3. One key to a very low unemployment is having workers that can provide the skills required by today's economy.

4. Taking Item 3 into consideration, education plays a vital rope in maintaining a robust economy.

5. Education to maintain a robust economy must include education for all; the slow learner, those who do not accept the traditional education model, and the super-brillient. All reports on education workd-wide put us very low on several critical subjects such as math and science.

6. Today, we have a huge amount of jobs in this country that cannot be filled because we do not have the qualified workers to fill them. I have a relative (recently retired) that worked most of his life recruiting foreign professionals to work in the USA.

7. Tuition is going up faster than inflation; putting higher education out of the reach of many and putting others into debt that will take many years to work off.

8. While many aspire to a college education, many would prefer to work in the skilled trades. Our country has left this training to private schools complete with the ripoffs, lack of true education in these skills, excessive financeing rates, and lack of job placement after completing the poor education provided by the poor schools. Unions provide decent education in the skilled trades but the number of positions is limited.

9. Local and national businesses would be wise to get more involved in education as the major benefits would be to their bottom line. Local businesses would particularly benefit from intensive involvement in local schools. They could pick the brightest of the current enrollment for their business to replace the retiring workers and to grow their business. They could train the students in what it takes to be a sucessful employee and to help your company to grow.

The GI Bill of WW II crated a whole new economy and America actually made a profit off of the money spent. The following are exerpts from http://www.marketplace.org/topics/econo ... ed-economy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A. The GI Bill provided the education for 14 Nobel Prize winners, three Supreme Court justices, three presidents, a dozen senators, two dozen Pulitzer Prize winners.

B. Historians say the GI Bill fueled a major expansion of the nation's higher education system and made college a cornerstone of middle-class American life. Marine Captain George Schultz did pretty well with his GI Bill education. He taught at MIT and Chicago, he ran a big construction company. And George Schultz served as U.S. Secretary of State.

C. Before World War II, most Americans didn't have a high school diploma, much less a college degree. After the war, college enrollment exploded.

D. The scientists and engineers and teachers and thinkers who brought in the information age, who took us to the moon, who waged the cold war, you name it - all those men and women were educated through the GI Bill.

E. The government was surprised by how many GIs took advantage of the education benefit, nearly eight million veterans in all. Management guru Peter Drucker said that providing free higher education to so many Americans changed the world by creating the modern knowledge economy.

F. The Greatest invasion in all history, a million veterans pouring on to the college campuses of America, from Harvard to Stanford, from State to Old Siwash.

G. A recent study has concluded that many, if not most, of the jobs that have gone are gone forever. The age of computers is here and many, again if not most, can be done more efficiently, cheaper and better by computers. If you work in a semi-skilled job, you will likely be replaced by a computer. Many educators forsee the day, in the not to distant future, when a college degree will be the minimum not the exception and education will determine if you are employed or not.

H. Historian Ed Humes says the free education that so many veterans got under the GI Bill helped make the "greatest generation" so great.

Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it.-George Santayana. Many attribute this to Winston Churchill but it was actually the poet and philosopher George Santayana. I think that our political leaders should re-examine history and decide to put our nation back to work and begin to build the next "Greatest Generation."

[RealJustme]

You can't grow jobs when you have a President chastising and threatening to shut down job creators while growing Government that can't be funded. Thank God some in Congress have said enough, but more need to do so or real jobs will continue to decline. In just a few years the only new jobs offering full time pay, benefits and retirement plans will be by the Government who will rule over everyone else. Non Government or public jobs will be peons paying their wages.

[snakeoil]

Justme-That Koch brothers shit is getting a bit old. Reread the first sentance of my post. There is enough blame to go around for all. I must remind you that ANY President can spend nothing unless Congress authorizes it. I must remind you that All money bills must originate in the GOP controlled House of Representatives.

The topic of my post is that we must invest in education to create and grow a robust economy. Without investment, any company, corporation or government will die. Education is an investment that pays dividends that far exceed the original investment. Money that a government spends is not always bad. Money that a government spends must be considered an investment in it's people and must be spent wisely. The problem is that there are not enough wise people in the House or Senate (or the people that elect them.) As I've stated before in my posts, I am a moderate Republican but I am ashamed of many of the elected members of my party. It seems that to be elected today you have to prove you are crazier than the other guy. When have you last heard a politician have a real program for creating the next great generation other than tearing down everything that has made us great? Do you really want to take us back to "the good old days" that really weren't so good?

You seem to ignore the topic of my post. Am I to assume that you feel that the current high unemployemnt is good for the country. Do you not realize that the present unemployment problem is creating a gigantic redistribution of wealth from those unfortunate enough to become unemployed to the more affluent? Do you not feel that the job of our politicians is to keep our economy robust and growing? Is not education good for business? Along time ago I heard the saying, "An uneducated man speaks of problems. A wise man speaks of solutions." All I ever hear from you is complaints about the democratically elected President (two times.) Do you have any solutions other than tearing down the things that made us great and reformatting the country to preserve the wealth of the few.

I feel that the problem with this country today is that we do not have anyone that really looks at the big picture. We need people that will look at the country we should be 50 years in the future and work to realize that vision. Most other countries have a stong vision for their future and all legislation is geared to acheiving that goal. Our main goal is to get the other party out of office.

[RealJustme]

I must remind you that ANY President can spend nothing unless Congress authorizes it. I must remind you that All money bills must originate in the GOP controlled House of Representatives.

Obama just demonstrated what he will do if he doesn't get everything he wants, he'll shut down the Government make the public suffer until the public "demands" Congress pass his spending wishes. He'll then blame Congress for the spending saying they authorized it. That's why I back standing up to Obama as Cruz did, he knows giving Obama more money isn't the long term answer.

[snakeoil]

"History is a bunch of lies everyone agrees to." Justme-you have a warped view of the events that took place recently. I'll let you have your dilusions. My only concern is that you have a vote. I advise you to view that car insurance commercial on Tv where the blond says that you can't put anything on the Internet that isn't true. Remember the look the guy she was talking to gave her?

Justme-Please start studying history and world politics and the implications of what politicians say and do. Cutting and pasting from the Internet does not make you educated on politics. Example-the Social Security program is the big issue the right would like to abolish. Abolishing SS would result in $1.3 trillion being taken out of the eonomy. SS keeps 20% of seniors above the poverty line. Medicare provides seniors with life saving medical help. (If you think Medicare pays the total bill you are delusional.) Congress recently cut $400 from the Food Stamp program. The long term effect of malnourished children and the rise in crime when parents see their children starving remains in the future. The right (and others) love to cut education. we are seeing the results of that right now.

My point to all of this is that you have to look at the wider implications of any issue. Example-Citizens are clamering for severe restrictions on Wall Street. If we go too far, there will be no financial industry in the USA; they will move to overseas markets. Much of what the looney fringe says sounds good if the world wa a perfect place and eveyone did what they were supposed to do. In reality, People will always need help, troubles will come out of nowhere, natural disasters will occur, politicians and businesses will become corrupt and many will try tomake government act in the interests of a few. We can only hope that many will think and make the correct decisions.

[snakeoil]

Nor does having 10 out of the 25 threads on this board.

[RealJustme]

My point to all of this is that you have to look at the wider implications of any issue.

I'm looking at the end result of Obama's policies and agenda and the direction he's taking us, in your face facts demonstrate what he's doing isn't good for America.

Less than 20% of Americans think we're going in the right direction, even a 10 year old can look at the facts an conclude we will being going over a cliff, look at our out of control debt, increased spending using blank checks, worsening relationships with other Countries and coming entitlements that will collapse our economy just to mention a few. There is no light at the end of the tunnel only darkness, sure there are several players to place blame on but none more than Obama his agenda is right on track.

Carlos

[snakeoil]

How did we get on Obamacare? My post is about jobs. Fix the job situation and many of our other problems will solve themselves. As to Obamacare:

1. Why would having 40 million more people insured hurt the country? I thought we embraced capitalism.

2. Why would giving the insurance companies 40 million more customers hurt the country?

3. Wouldn't the fact that many more are covered by insurance decrease your costs since you won't be picking up the cost of those who go to the ER because they don't have insurance?

4. The right is taking Obama to task because he is forcing people to have health insurance. Doesn't your state require you to have insurance on your car? Doesn't the bank require you to have insuranceon your home to protect them from loss if your house burns down.

5. Other posters are complaining because some policies are being canceled. Investigate this; they are being canceled because they are junk policies and "Obamacare" has informed the insurance companies that they can't keep hosing the public.

6. In "Obamacare" medical providers are required to enter your medical information in a data base to prevent costly duplication of testing and to allow medical providers to access your records if you are injured in another state and cannot speak for yourself. Wouldn't you want this benefit for yourself?

I cannot see why anyone would fight against having adequate medical coverage for every citizen. I think that much of the rage against Obama is because of his race. Thank God I grew out of that at an early age.

[snakeoil]

It's time to think for yourself Justme and stop taking the Koch brothers pablum.. Better yet, take my advice. Sell everything you have and invest in oceanfront property; those climate scientists are all wrong.

[RealJustme]

Better yet, take my advice. Sell everything you have and invest in oceanfront property; those climate scientists are all wrong.

Oceanfront property hasn't dropped in value, it's went up, even liberal elites with oceanfront homes ignore wolf calls from Gore's bitches. Gore has actually invested over $300 million in oceanfront properties in the last 5 years, wouldn't you think that's odd? Ooops sorry, you're not permitted to think, my bad.

[snakeoil]

Justme-A follow up to your posts. The latest reports on the LAX shooting says that the shooter had "anti-government" pamphlets on him. reflecting on all of the right wong anti-government rants the past few years an old phrase comes to mind. "They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind" Another phrase that comes to mind is "Words are more powerful than swords."

[snakeoil]

I"ve let this go on long enough, Justme and the rest of the Koch brothers lackys always attack the presenter of an idea not the intent or essence of an idea. How can someone attack an idea or subject knowing little about that subject? How can someone attack every single thing that our Presidet does? Remember the old saw, "Even a broken clock is right twice a day."

Justme-it would be wise for you to examine your positions on our government and it's policies to determine the truth about the issues, how government works and the ramifications of even minor actions by the government. I must remind you, we do not have a dictator and the government is made up of many people. It's fun being anti-everything (and you might think that it makes you a big man) but there comes a time when you have to think. Trying to take us back to "the good old days" is an exercise in futility: "the good old days" weren't really all that good.

One thing I learned early in life is that truth is an elusive and nearly invisble thing. Truth is often different in the eyes of who is telling the "truth" and who they are trying to convince. What may be an obvious "truth" to me might be a falsehood to you. Often "truth" beomes a shape-shifter; changing to fit the arguments against it and the size of the opposition to that" truth." Wise men closely examine the facts and the circumstances surrounding an issue and then form their own truths which might seem alien to others. The Koch brothers are masters of the above concepts. they have learned that if you play on the fears, concens and prejudices of the masses, and repeat it often enough, many will believe what the Koch brothers want them to believe.

"If a man loses pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured, or far away. " Henry David Thoreau. My advice to you Justme is to examine the issues of today, form your core beliefs and to march to your own drummer and to be a slave to no one. Examine the motives of anyone that tries to get you to believe as they do.

[RealJustme]

My advice to you Justme is to examine the issues of today, form your core beliefs and to march to your own drummer and to be a slave to no one. Examine the motives of anyone that tries to get you to believe as they do.

WOW, you sound like a teaparty member, good for you, great advise, to bad liberals aren't allowed to examine motives!

[snakeoil]

Justme-Your last comment seems to show that you know little about the current political situation. I know it seems like I'm attacking you but I'm not. I'm just answering you. I respect your veiws although I don't agree with all of them.

The GOP (my party) is in serious trouble becaus of the super far right members that have gained control of the party. The favorable rating of the GOP is the lowest in history. When the debt ceiling issue comes up again I look to see that rating plummet even more if a government shutdown is considered by Cruz etal, The voting public will support reasonable change if it is presented calmly and the case for change is layed out before the voters to show that it is necessary and does not favor one group or another. Another thing that is hurting us badly is the apparent war against women. Women feel that there is litle difference between what the GOP espouses and what the Taliban espouses in regard to women. Women, while some of them might like some of the policies of the GOP, are terrified of what the GOP might propose next. Please remember, women outnumber men registered voters. The number of independent voters is growing faster than voters for either of the two main parties. Indenpendent voters are the great unknown in politics because many feel that, since they are usually excluded from primaries, they are stuck with the choice of either the Democrats or Republicans. This feeling of exclusion prompts many of them to vote against instead of for.

California is a good indicator of what could, and probably will happen, to the rest of the country. Only 29% of the registered voters are registered GOP. Ultra-left Governor Jerry Brown, we used to call him Governor Moonbeam, has become a very effective legilator by becoming a bit more moderate and embracing the best ideas of both paries. One reason for the downturn of the GOP in California is that whites are in the minority and the people of California are slightly better educated than the rest of the states. There is a huge change happening in this country and we all better get used to it. Very soon, whites will be in the minority in this country and they will demand parity with the white population. It is estimated that, by 2026, Texas whites will be in the minority and the state will become much more liberal. Naturall, the GOP is countering this trend by obstructing all immigration bills. I llok for a Supreme Court challenge very soon from a child whose illegal alien parents are about to be deported. That will be an interesting case.

Look at where today's GOP is compared to the past. I doubt very much if Reagan would be elected by today's GOP and definately would not be reelected after raising taxes. Eisenhower definately would be considered an ultra liberal by today's GOP. Governor Chris Christy is going to be reelcted because he has repositioned himself as a moderate and divorced himself from the crazy wing of the GOP. Governor Kasick has aved himself by becoming more moderate.

My point to all of this wordiness is that the GOP has decided to take a stand and remain the ultra-conservative party and not admit that the world changes and the mood of the voters change. Their stand against climate change will come back to bit them big time. Making states hit by Hurricane Sandy victims wait months for aid has left a deep disgust for the GOP in those states. Justme, the ultra-connservatives and the Teaparty are dinosaurs just waiting for the big asteroid to hit and wipe them out. One of the main lessons that Darwin found out was to adapt or perish. Hopefully the GOP will learn that lesson.

[RealJustme]

Their stand against climate change will come back to bit them big time. Making states hit by Hurricane Sandy victims wait months for aid has left a deep disgust for the GOP in those states.

No matter how much fairy dust you sprinkle, man can not change the planet if liberals would switch the discussion to avoiding pollution where we can you would have a winning argument, no one could argue against that...but arguing carbon taxes are going to effect the climate is silly. Concerning Sandy victims waiting months for aid, dude Obama was there the day after it happened promising the good people of Sandy he was rolling out the full Government and he would be there for him...Obama then went on vacation with his family. Of course it's Bush's fault Obama didn't keep his promise :lol: :lol: :lol:

[snakeoil]

Justme-I don't have a degree in climatology as I don't think you have. When almost all of the climate scientists in the world plus the UN studies conclude that climate change is real, I tend to believe them. I would be a fool to argue with those who have devoted their life to studying climate and who have gained the acceptance and respect of their colleagues. As to pollution controls, you are partly correct there but any solutions must be worldwide. China puts several coal-fired power plants on line each week. Again, I must point out that the GOP (my party) will stop any legislation that attempts to alleviate global warming because of the stand they have taken in the past. It would mean that the GOP was wrong, a hard thing for a politician to admit to it's electorate.

As to Hurricane Sandy, even Governor Christy admits that the Federal Government was there quickly with FEMA's limited funds. But you must remember the huge losses incurred by the people. The House beat on the issue of aid to the hurricane victims for several months before passing an inadequate amount of aid for the victims. I have heard that one of the reasons for the fight and the delay is because the Representatives from Colorado were angry because they felt the there wasn't enough aid voted to help the victims of the Colorado tornadoes. I'm not sure if that was true.

[elklindo69]

The GOP is funded by big oil, so should anybody be suprised why conservative ideology trumps scientific facts...

[snakeoil]

One Democratic Congressman was on TV last week explaining that he spends 20 hours a week on the telephone fund raising.

[snakeoil]

A lot of discussion here on everything but the jobs issue. I wondering if anyone has any solution to putting America back to work. I have already pointed out that education is very much needed and how the WW II GI Bill paid off. Education, though, takes years to fully pay benefits, That is not to say we must not start down the road to increasing our investment in education immediately but we have to get people back to work very soon, Think of the huge market we would create by getting the unemployment rate down to acceptable levels. An unemployment rate of 3.5% (a bit pie-in-the-sky I know but acheivable) would mean enough tax money coming in for our infrastructure, research, a healthy dent in poverty and breathing room to set a long term goal of where we want this country to be by 2100. The world is changing and the old ways are gone forever, Look at the auto industry. Audi, Volkswagon, Toyota, Hyundai, Kia, Mazda, and others all have cars assembled in the USA. These are good paying jobs and, In some cases have revived the economy of once booming manufacturing towns that had seen their jobs go overseas.

One often overlooked resource is the underused workforce in places like West Virginia. Several other states have a sizable workforce that is underutilized. Government low interest loans could be used to attract manufacturing plants into these areas. (Before Justme brings up Solyndra, I mean to help established global manufaturers to ease the burden of opening new plants in underused areas. I doubt that Toyota, etal would default on a loan and go bankrupt.) This money would creat a return in the manner of taxes and we would probably make a profit off of the loans in the long run. It seems to me that this would be embraced by both parties as voters tend to forget the ills of the country when they get the wrinkles out of their bellys. A worker that brings home a paycheck that will feed his family with a little left over to make some headway in a contented voter.

[RealJustme]

A lot of discussion here on everything but the jobs issue. I wondering if anyone has any solution to putting America back to work. I have already pointed out that education is very much needed

The problem is our educations system. There used to be a time that high school graduates could read and write, even do math. Now most college graduates don't even possess the communication and computational skills they need today to succeed in the working world. Public schools have one primary mandate, it's to use education to engineer social or political outcomes, it's not to prepare students for the work force.

So saying spending more money on public schools is the way to create jobs is bullshit! Only businesses can generate jobs that aren't paid for by tax payers. Our education system needs to reach to business and ask "what are you looking for in a new employee" In many case that would be technical training, advanced math, communication skills, drop the attempts to social engineer children and focus on teaching them!

Carlos

[brandon]

Public schools have one primary mandate, it's to use education to engineer social or political outcomes,

Snakeshit already knows that.

[snakeoil]

Justme-Do you really believe that? If so, how come the business community and the GOP controlled legislatures and GOP Governors haven't risen up to defeat that agenda? Someone wrote on this board long ago that the main problem with education is parents. Parents don't insist that kids do homework, they allow kids to sit at the computer until dinner and then back on the computer until bedtime. Many parents have no idea where their kids are until they come home to go to bed. Most parents take little interest in school until their kids are failing and then its the fault of the teacher.


I feel that you have done a great disservice to the hardworking educators in this country with your unthinking comment..

[RealJustme]

I feel that you have done a great disservice to the hardworking educators in this country with your unthinking comment..

We don't need educators who's goal is indoctrination, we need teachers that teach! When I hear someone say they're an educator, I know exactly that they mean. Private schools have teachers, public schools have "educators" inculcating a doctrine with a liberal point of view.

Shame on you for caring more for the "educators" than the children not being taught!

[snakeoil]

Justme-I wonder where all of this hate is coming from. I'm glad I don't have to carry that burden of hate around. You answer all of these threads with your half-baked ideas that you have picked up from those with an agenda all their own. It's curious that you never really answer a thread and comment on the issue but you have taken every chance to spread your anti-everything veiws. Don't you have any real solutions other than tearing down? I'm sure that you know that the Koch brothers, Ted Cruz and all of the others that preach tearing down our country have an agenda. I suspect that that agenda doesn't include people like you.

This thread started by discussing a real problem in this country-JOBS. This is a problem that can and well might destroy this country. None of your comments having any real contribution to the issue of jobs. Your comments are a rehash of all of your past comments on other threads. We used to call that "a one trick pony." I really feel sorry for you as you have a very small concept of the world and how it works. You should realize that those with opposite views feel as passionately about their views as you do about yours. Many times, maybe even most times, the opposing views have as much truth to them as your views do.

Often others on this board will poke fun at your tirades and half-baked ideas. Maybe if you tried to contribute to the discussions instead of taking that chance to spread the anti-everything gospel, others would listen to your views.

[RealJustme]

Justme-I wonder where all of this hate is coming from. I'm glad I don't have to carry that burden of hate around. You answer all of these threads with your half-baked ideas that you have picked up from those with an agenda all their own. It's curious that you never really answer a thread and comment on the issue but you have taken every chance to spread your anti-everything veiws. Don't you have any real solutions other than tearing down? I'm sure that you know that the Koch brothers, Ted Cruz and all of the others that preach tearing down our country have an agenda. I suspect that that agenda doesn't include people like you.

This thread started by discussing a real problem in this country-JOBS. This is a problem that can and well might destroy this country. None of your comments having any real contribution to the issue of jobs. Your comments are a rehash of all of your past comments on other threads. We used to call that "a one trick pony." I really feel sorry for you as you have a very small concept of the world and how it works. You should realize that those with opposite views feel as passionately about their views as you do about yours. Many times, maybe even most times, the opposing views have as much truth to them as your views do.

Often others on this board will poke fun at your tirades and half-baked ideas. Maybe if you tried to contribute to the discussions instead of taking that chance to spread the anti-everything gospel, others would listen to your views.

You spent a lot of time saying nothing. :?

[BilboBagend]

Republican "Jobs" Bills:

A bill to increase jobs by repealing Obamacare (delusional malice)

A bill to increase jobs by defunding women's health care (delusional malice)

A bill to increase jobs by not appointing government officials (delusional malice)

A bill to increase jobs by doing far, far, far more nothing than the "Do Nothing Congress" in Truman's day (delusional malice)

A bill to increase jobs by attacking Obama (delusional malice)

A bill to increase jobs by talking shit about Ben gazi (delusional malice)


and so on, and so on, and so on, ...

[RealJustme]

Bilbo, people are getting tired of lies, you continue to lose credibility when you do that.

[BilboBagend]

ROFLMAOAY

That's a good one justupid. Rich! LOL

[snakeoil]

Justme-You have 10 replies to my OP. I must have erased your thoughts about how we can solve the unemployment problem in this country. Would you please repost your ideas on how we can get people back to work?

[RealJustme]

Would you please repost your ideas on how we can get people back to work?

Vote for Republicans in 2014 and 2016.

[snakeoil]

Wow! That answer has a lot of depth.

[Clownkicker]

RealTool is as deep as a mud puddle.

[BilboBagend]

Hey!

There was the Republican jobs act to outlaw abortion under all circumstances.

Then, there was the Republican jobs act to repeal Obamacare.

Then, the Republican j lbs act to make birth control illegal.

[johnforbes]

Not true. The notion was not to have federal funding of abortion, which of course Obamacare will have.

[Intrepid]

The idea that anyone would or could outlaw birth control was a lie and a red herring that was dangled in front of the low information voters of the Demonrat party who reacted just as their programmers intended.
The gross stupidity of these people is the primary reason they should never be placed in charge of anything, anywhere.

[BilboBagend]

Oh, I forgot the two most important and biggest Republican jobs bills.

The shut down the government, spread fear doubt and distrust throughout the business world. Kill all job expansion plans on the part of the world wide business community.

and

The threaten economic default in t5he part of the largest and healthiest economy in the world, spread fear doubt and distrust throughout the business world. Kill all job expansion plans on the part of the world wide business community.

[BilboBagend]

Sorry intrepid, it's your guys who have threatened to stop all birth control in the U.S. I can not help it if one branch of your anti-American radical reactionary extremist controlled party doesn't have control the other anti-American radical reactionary extremist branches of your party.

The real conservatives in the Republican Party lost it when they recruited all the most nasty malicious and maleficent extremists in the country.

[johnforbes]

If Bilbo had a job, he wouldn't waste his days posting leftist tripe on a porn BB.

[RealJustme]

Sorry intrepid, it's your guys who have threatened to stop all birth control in the U.S.

Bilbo, please provide us a with an example of that. Surely it exists somewhere on the web other than leftist saying it's so.

[BilboBagend]

justupid, please, get your head out of your ass.

little wannabe faux, ROFLMAO

[johnforbes]

Unlike Bilbo, I actually used the inflation-eroded GI Bill.

And, unlike Bilbo, I actually got an education.

Bilbo has claimed to have PhD and MBA degrees, but his ignorance of investing (not even knowing what owning a share of stock meant) and his general, free-floating ignorance, have given the lie to both of Bilbo's claims.

[snakeoil]

Well, it seems that this thread has gone the way of all theads on this board. Instead of healthy discussion and sharing of ideas; the thread has degenerated to a name-calling fest and a forum for rehashing the exteme Tea Party views of some of the members. The way this country is going, soon the Tea Party will be too liberal to win elections.

[RealJustme]

Well, it seems that this thread has gone the way of all theads on this board. Instead of healthy discussion and sharing of ideas; the thread has degenerated to a name-calling fest and a forum for rehashing the exteme Tea Party views of some of the members. The way this country is going, soon the Tea Party will be too liberal to win elections.

You whole post is nothing but bashing and name calling of Tea Party members, why not discuss the thread topic?

[Demagogue]

Jobs are created to increase profit for executives and stockholders (owners), there is no other purpose.
Businesses care nothing about an employee and will replace them on a whim and businesses wonder why 'loyalty' is lost.

In return, an employee is paid a wage determined by executives so that executives can be paid ridiculous salaries with benefits befitting of a King or Queen.

A company of 200,000 employees posting $14 Billion dollars in profit continues to cut hours at the store level leaving more work for the workers who are left after cuts. Imagine that $14 Billion dollars reinvested in the company, that would be an additional $70,000 they could devote to each employee OR reasonably pay each employee an average of $30,000 more and still have about $8 Billion in profit for stockholders and executive benefits and bonuses and/or hire more personnel for the store to actually service the customers.

I'm still all about limiting executive salaries, benefits and stock options combined to no more than 100 times the lowest paid employee. At minimum wage, that would be about $1,560,000/yr for any executive. As you can see, raising wages also would raise the executives salaries, benefits and stock options. I also don't see a need for a CEO, what a waste of business dollars when their is a President of the business.

Imagine, a living, decent wage where employees would have disposable income where they could purchase products from their employer rather than going to an el-cheapo mega discount store. A concept that seems to escape those purportedly smart executives. Do employers ever wonder or even care why they have such a high turn-over rate from burnout and/or poverty wages? Imagine a low or no turnover and how much money could be saved from training, interviewing and searching for employees. And as many businesses brag, "one, big, happy family!"

Education that is free from Federal mandatory exams every month or quarter but are required twice a year, once at the beginning of school year and one at the end of the school year. Those that fail, retake the grade over while the rest move on. This would force the teachers to 'teach' since the teachers and administrators would not know what those 2 tests have for questions and answers. Fundamentally, reading, writing, math, history, science and current events that is grade appropriate. It is kept secretive at the state and Federal levels with a mediator present when the tests are taken so there is no cheating by local schools, teachers or administrators and each year the questions are 100% changed.

FREE public trade schools with a high school GPA of 3.0 or higher or public colleges for those who graduate high school with a GPA of 3.5 or higher or reduced tuition based upon the students income or no more than 5% of the parents total income. Private trade schools, internet education or colleges can charge more, but no more than 15% of the students income or parents total income and must be accredited by the Federal government and ALL credits must be transferable to any other school, public or private.

It does away with all those predatory loans and grants, public and private that are necessary in todays overpriced educational system.

To me, it just seems like common sense, we don't need a country of Lords and Serfs. :o

Let the discussion of ideas (tear down) begin....................

[johnforbes]

I wouldn't favor a fixed number to limit exec compensation.

It is absurdly high, but the cure for that it to pass rules requiring shareholders to receive and vote on executive compensation packages.

[Intrepid]

Sorry intrepid, it's your guys who have threatened to stop all birth control in the U.S. I can not help it if one branch of your anti-American radical reactionary extremist controlled party doesn't have control the other anti-American radical reactionary extremist branches of your party.

Dildo, provide the source for your allegation. Something other than another assertion from another deluded Demonrat.
Provide a direct quote or other factual evidence that there is or ever was ANYONE in the Republican party who EVER advocated removing birth control.

You can't, you little, insignificant, lying, sub-par intelligence twerp. You've lied about holding Ph.D degrees and you've lied about your origins. You are not an American, I advise you to go back to whatever failed country you came from and resume your life there rather than try to reduce our way of living to the one you ran away from.

Also, I see you are back to overusing your favorite epithet, "faux."

[BilboBagend]

Gee, the little wannabe faux talks out of his ass as always.
You would think he would know better.

I went to university on work, government loans, work study, Veterans benefits, and scholarships. Went to graduate school for chemistry on teaching fellowships and research fellowships. Went on a paid post doctoral research fellowship. Went to business school on my companies coin.

Still, it's looks like it always does, the little wannabe faux tries his cred trolling yet again. His inferiority complex is obviously his dominating personality feature. I wonder why he broadcasts it so loudly? You would think that by now he would get it under control and stop telling everyone that he is a little wannabe faux.

Oh, well. Sorry, little wannabe faux, but you asked for it.

[BilboBagend]

Dema,

The overruling factors are executive compensation based (intentionally) on short term compensation criteria or totally fake meaningless criteria, the deduct-ability/expense-ability before taxes of executive compensation, the interlocking executive/executive board cabal making decisions for their own personal interlocking benefits, the totally powerless position of stock holders.

It is under these circumstances that government oversight and regulation are appropriate.

I would start with fixing the tax code.

4% tax on all business revenues. This eliminates the "tax deductability/expense" game and focuses businesses on profits.

a graduated tax on investments: 5% on savings interest up to a 50% on finance industry gambling (e.g. non-asset backed derivatives, i.e. bookmaking). The more risk and the lower the amount of any real investment in products and services the higher the tax rate.

[johnforbes]

Bilbo lied about having PhD and MBA degrees.

Bilbo can't spell "cat" without help, and he had no idea what stock ownership even meant.

[BilboBagend]

Yes, we know your obsession with spelling and how it is the height of accomplishment, along with your "creds".

Try again little wannabe faux. All you do is reveal you obsession with other peoples accomplishmernts.