[RealJustme]

Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell MSNBC NEWS that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”

Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan, period and it will be cheaper, that's a promise.” was still saying in 2012, “If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.”

Now that over 1.5 million have received cancellation notices from their insurance companies, the White House no longer disputes that many will lose their current coverage but claim Obama never promised they would be able to keep their health plans. Today, White House spokesman Jay Carney was asked about the president’s promise that consumers would be able to keep their health care. “Some people misunderstood the President, what the President has said all along is that there are going to be changes brought about by the Affordable Care Act to create minimum standards of coverage, minimum services that every insurance plan has to provide, so some adjustments will have to be made, the President let everyone know that from day one.” Carney said.

[brandon]

The Affordable Care Act is already doing a fantastic job at it's true purpose: taking great health insurance plans away from people and replacing them with either a much higher-priced, inferior plan or....nothing.

In all the discussion about ObamaCare, many people are missing the point about the true purpose of the law. Supposedly, the purpose of the Affordable Care Act was to lower health insurance costs and provide better health insurance plans for people to purchase.

Far from it.

The actual purpose of the ACA is to prepare the ground for a single payer system to come later.

ObamaCare was designed to 'fix' the problem of a country in which most had health insurance coverage and were happy with the status quo.

Progressives realized they were never going to get this backwards country to a single payer system as long as 85% of Americans had coverage and the majority of them were satisfied with the health insurance plan they had. The top leadership of the Democratic Party rightly recognized this situation as a huge obstacle to ever getting a single payer system implemented on the entire country from Washington DC.

The goal of ObamaCare is a national transformation from a country where 85% had health insurance & of those 87% were happy with their plan, to one where almost no one will be happy with what they have been forced to take.

After a few years of this new situation, Progressives figured people would be ready to hear their solution to the problem: a single payer system.

If people were never going to voluntarily hand over their private insurance plans, they would just have to be tricked into it then.

Let that sink in: Since American citizens were never going to voluntarily hand over their health insurance plans, a strategy was formed in which those plans would be stripped from them involuntarily. And that strategy was the Affordable Care Act and the multitude of lies that Democrats told about it.

They repeatedly lied to the country about keeping plans and keeping doctors and premiums being lower, knowing full well the entire time that this would not be the case.

But by the time the public figured this out, it would be too late. The law would have already passed and be in force, and millions of people will have had their insurance plans ripped from their fingers before they could even protest about it.

As I discussed in this previous column, Obama and the Democratic Party knew they had to deliberately mislead as many Americans as possible about what the ACA would do to their health insurance plans in order to pass the bill.

President Obama asked the country to trust him when he repeatedly promised it the ACA wouldn't affect people who liked their current plans and wanted to keep them. He performed perhaps the biggest political dirty trick ever pulled on the American people and he did it openly and brazenly.

He could do that with a clear conscience because like many Progressives, Obama believes in lying to people for their own good.

At least Conservatives will treat people like adults. To the Progressives, Americans will always be stupid children who need to be coerced, bribed or tricked into doing the 'right' thing.

How could Democrats think they could get away with this kind of shameless behavior? They were convinced back in 2008 they had at last grown their base to the point they would never lose another election. Many of them still think this, despite the setback of losing the House of Representatives in 2010 and 2012. They still see a 'permanent Democratic majority' out there and so remain confident they can propagandize their way out of any consequences.

The arrogance of the Progressive Left knows no bounds. They fully expect to get away with this.



"What a bunch of suckers. Wonder how long it'll take them to figure it out?"

At this point, no one has even asked Barack Obama about all the false promises he made to the American people about the ACA. How much longer will the President be allowed to skate by on this before he's confronted with the fact the promises he uttered so freely and extravagantly in 2009 have now been shown to be utterly false?

The radical Leftists in control of the Democratic Party remain convinced despite having pulled a gigantic fraud upon the American people with the Affordable Care Act, enough of their base will stick with them to deliver election victories in 2014 and 2016.

It'll be up to the American people to prove them wrong.

[Clownkicker]

Brandon, you're usually not as brain dead as these other guys, but think about what you're reading and believing.

"Obamacare" is a program designed not by Obama but by the insurance companies to rope in 50 million new policies. A huge windfall for them.
To believe that the insurance companies are going to intentio0nally make their policies so terrible that everyone will choose to opt for a single payer system in a few years makes no sense at all. A single payer system would eliminate the insurance companies from the health insurance business.
They aren't going to do that.

All that propaganda you and RealTool are reproducing is just that. I expect more from you than simply swallowing whatever nonsense the reactionaries feed you.
Just think about it. The insurance companies are not going to dump the massive medical insurance business, especially after they went to such great lengths to get everyone signed up.

[sillydaddy]

If the Insurance companies were conspiring to fuck us all....why did Obama lead the charge?

[BilboBagend]

Those who have policies that don't meet the standards will be offered policies that do not meet the standards.

A few of those will have higher costs. They are almost all limited to large families making over $93,000.00 per year.

[brandon]

So we have a marriage of government with big business with Obama as the current leader? So what else is new?
I seem to remember Obama openly wanting a national single payer system. And the Teabaggers shitting a brick over it and their lobby money. So we end up with the same old new clusterfuck that the new "different" president cheerleads and signs and everybody gets rich and happy while they themselves are exempt from it all.

Just an observation.

It's all such a big, disgusting, greedy circle jerk of liars that I really don't give a shit about . You guys can argue and bash each other's brains out over it but not me. If you really believe there are real partisan differences other than big business deals and an occasional ideologue you're a sucker. I actually want to cringe when I hear grown, supposedly educated folks speak up to make a partisan argument.

You just gotta feel bad for them.

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/09/82370-f ... ealthcare/


:lol:

[johnforbes]

Obama promised:

An easy-to-use web site

Keep your doc

Keep your health plan

Lower family health insurance cost by $2500 per yr

Improve quality of medical care

Total cost of Obamacare 900 billion

Each and every one of those promises has been broken

[RealJustme]

So we have a marriage of government with big business with Obama as the current leader?

The raping of Americans dosn't really begin until a couple of years from now when the insurance companies demand more money because the young and healthy people didn't sign up as Obama promised and only the sick did, therefore the predictions for rates were "far" to low. Obama will respond with massive stimulus funds to cover the increased rates "until his term is up" and then the next President is stuck with the health care mess he left and bills that can't be paid.

Once an entitlement is rolled out it never goes away, it only grows. Notice how Obama timed the rollout so that he'll be out of office when shit hits the fan and it's realized a monster was born on Oct 2013.

[Clownkicker]

If you guys actually want to know about the ACA, watch the show linked below.
It doesn't paint Obama as a saint. It just shows what happened and why.
If anything, it shows he buckled because he didn't have the political experience and savvy to get what he wanted.

"If the Insurance companies were conspiring to fuck us all....why did Obama lead the charge?"-sillydaddy
This program will answer your question.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... deal/view/

If you're going to be mad at someone, at least be mad at the right people for the right reasons.


"I actually want to cringe when I hear grown, supposedly educated folks speak up to make a partisan argument."-Brandon

Yup, that's why I cringe here everyday.
But it sure beats having to talk to these clowns face to face.

[RealJustme]

You want us to trust PBS for out information on Obamacare? What you have is one taxed paid operation using talking points on another tax paid operation...no thanks!

Listen to the consumers and the doctors, concerning costs and quality of care, ignore the rest of the noise.

[Clownkicker]

^^^^^There it is, the willful ignorance of the reactionary Right.

You morons have to learn that you don't have to take Frontline's (or anyone else's) word for anything.
If they tell you something you think is wrong, look it up and prove it to yourself and anyone else.
If you listen to FOX or Breitbart without the same critical mind, then you're no better than the drone I believe you to be.
But most likely you won't find anything in the program that isn't true.
You simply don't want to know what happened so you can go on raving your knee jerk lunacy.

"Listen to the consumers and the doctors, concerning costs and quality of care, ignore the rest of the noise."-RealTool

Since the ACA coverage hasn't actually started yet, there is little information about the costs and no information at all on the "quality of care" and you're pretending to hear about, dimwit.
If your only problem with the ACA is that the roll out has some glitches as anyone with any brains would expect with a new program, then you've got no argument against the ACA.
All you have is your mindless reactions to the propaganda you're swilling down.

Educate yourself, you buffoon.

[RealJustme]

If they tell you something you think is wrong, look it up and prove it to yourself and anyone else.

Why would you have to look something up if you already know the answer? Obama said everyone would be able to keep their doctor if they like their doctor (LIE) Obama said everyone will be able to keep their current insurance if they like it (LIE) Obama said insurance rates will go down $2,500.00 per family (LIE) why would I have to look it up?

[sillydaddy]

Yeah....what do we have to worry about.........“Arbeit Macht Frei”

[johnforbes]

Obama promised these things:

An easy-to-use web site

Keep your doc

Keep your health plan

Lower family health insurance cost by $2500 per yr

Improve quality of medical care

Total cost of Obamacare 900 billion

Each and every one of those promises has been broken

[sillydaddy]

The only promise Obama has kept is that things were going to get worse........but after what I see happening, I have my doubts on " the before they get better", part of the promise.

He now admits this mess is his fault....something we knew all along. What an asshole.

[elklindo69]

So we have a marriage of government with big business with Obama as the current leader? So what else is new?
I seem to remember Obama openly wanting a national single payer system. And the Teabaggers shitting a brick over it and their lobby money. So we end up with the same old new clusterfuck that the new "different" president cheerleads and signs and everybody gets rich and happy while they themselves are exempt from it all.

Just an observation.

It's all such a big, disgusting, greedy circle jerk of liars that I really don't give a shit about . You guys can argue and bash each other's brains out over it but not me. If you really believe there are real partisan differences other than big business deals and an occasional ideologue you're a sucker. I actually want to cringe when I hear grown, supposedly educated folks speak up to make a partisan argument.

You just gotta feel bad for them.

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/09/82370-f ... ealthcare/


:lol:

THERE IS A 0% CHANCE FOR A SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM!!!

IT WOULD ELIMINATE THE WHOLE INSURANCE INDUSTRY. IT'S A WASTE OF KEYSTROKES TO DISCUSS FURTHER...

[BilboBagend]

Single payer does not mean government insurance. It means that the cost of a basic health insurance policy is paid by the government. Both private insurance and the health care exchanges can be preserved and utilized.

It probably means that the government payments come from general revenues, but even that could be modified.

One of the greatest expenses to customers in the insurance industry has been demutualization, the conversion of mutual insurance companies, non-profits run for the benefit of the customer, into stock holder companies. This may need to be reversed in the future if the for profits continue with their current behaviors.

[RealJustme]

Single payer does not mean government insurance. It means that the cost of a basic health insurance policy is paid by the government.

As Joe Wilson said "YOU LIE" A insurance policy paid for the government is controlled by the government.

[johnforbes]

Socialists want control of education and health.

In America, the Dept of Educ takes taxpayer money and then hands it out to schools as long as they obey its agenda.

Obamacare really just dictated what the Left thought should be in every health plan, so the result isn't "affordable," the result means that Obama had to lie all the way through.

[BilboBagend]

The government already has independent powers to control the health care insurance industry through regulation, and it does, both at the state and the federal levels.

Single payer has nothing to do with that. Yet, some people continue to convolute two independent aspects for dishonest rhetoric.

Nothing new about that coming from our radical reactionary extremist brethren. All they have is their lies and distortions. Thus the need to rig the election process.