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By elklindo69
#20584
Bernanke

The bubble in the credit and housing markets fueled excessive investment in housing and, through the wealth effect, unsustainable consumer spending. When the bubble burst, that investment and spending stopped, and households began to deleverage. In order to repair their own balance sheets, banks cut back on their borrowing and lending, thus squeezing credit for small businesses and consumers.

The immediate impact was a sharp decline in output, employment, spending and investment. The economy has not fully recovered, because consumers can’t spend enough to keep all of our productive resources employed. Income growth is weak, net wealth is reduced, and borrowing is down. Banks don’t want to lend, and consumers don’t want to borrow, as is usual following financial crises.

According to the Bernanke view, what’s needed at this point is continued accommodative monetary and fiscal policy until the labor market has recovered. Then it’ll be time to raise interest rates and reduce government deficits, which will promote maximum growth and employment in the longer run.

Ryan

The government inflated the housing bubble by officially encouraging banks to make bad loans to risky borrowers. The government then bailed out the banks, and spent trillions of dollars wastefully on pork-barrel boondoggles and direct payments that encouraged people to remain unemployed.

Excessive regulation prevented the banks from offering credit, and kept businesses from expanding. Rising government debts are crowding out private investment and are keeping consumers afraid to spend, knowing that eventually they’ll be taxed to pay for the government’s debts.

According to the Ryan view, the government is the problem. The economy would be fine if there were less regulation, lower taxes and lower deficits.
By Leroy
#20585
The gov IS the problem. With less government we would not have had government pressure to make housing loans to people that could not afford them, driving a need to create bad loans.

We would not have as much socialism or as many social programs, lowering our debt.

If not for the government thinking it was the solution we would have cheaper solutions for what government is doing, cheaper labor costs, and better service for what government provides because it would be provided by private industry.

Government is never the solution, it's always the problem.
By BilboBagend
#20589
That's all you have liar leroy? Intentional self imposed ignorance, malice, and bad ideology? That's it?

Well, I guess we all have know that for a very long time.
By Leroy
#20609
BilboBagend wrote:That's all you have liar leroy? Intentional self imposed ignorance, malice, and bad ideology? That's it?

Well, I guess we all have know that for a very long time.
What else does anyone need - the problem IS the government, it's become a Government to control the people and enslave them instead of "By the people, for the people".
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By RealJustme
#20620
With less government we would not have had government pressure to make housing loans to people that could not afford them, driving a need to create bad loans.

We would not have as much socialism or as many social programs, lowering our debt
The people of the United States have allowed the Government to become dictators who's only concern is enriching their powers and authority, it's no longer a Government for the people, I don't know when it happened but we've allowed it to become a Government to the people. They force banks to give loans to millions who can't pay the money back all in the name of more votes, thus more power, then they punish the people for allowing it to happen.

Our Federal and State Governments are twice the size they should be. Local Governments attempt to build their empires but they're more restricted by budget contraints thus they tend to be less bloated.
By BilboBagend
#20622
It's more the government of the people than it has ever been in the past6. It started as a government of the people where the only people were the wealthy white English land owners and and wealthy merchants. In some respects, today's problems are due to the fact that it remains moire that way than it should.

There is always a power elite. The only questions are who they represent and benefit. The wealth class or the people. You are the two loudest assholes who want it to be the wealth class. You hate everything that counters that simple fact.
By Leroy
#20648
BilboBagend wrote:It's more the government of the people than it has ever been in the past6. It started as a government of the people where the only people were the wealthy white English land owners and and wealthy merchants. In some respects, today's problems are due to the fact that it remains moire that way than it should.

There is always a power elite. The only questions are who they represent and benefit. The wealth class or the people. You are the two loudest assholes who want it to be the wealth class. You hate everything that counters that simple fact.
LOL, you're either completely stupid, as in an IQ of 30, or you're just completely dishonest, or both.

The government does not, in any manner, represent the people - it represents a very small minority of people, and the voting records show that to be 100% accurate.

The country is creating more and more debt, more and more dependency on government, destroying more and more non-government jobs - the fact is that government can't sustain itself without the middle class worker (non-Government) because there would be no taxes collected without private workers.
By elklindo69
#20694
The financial crisis was caused by private sector banking not government debt issues. If it wasn't for the government bailout then we would be in a depression.

Government debt is a manufactured problem created by the neocons to get ignorant tools to vote for them, the government has a AAAA credit rating. And the same tools who vote republican probably don't even realize that the money market fund or savings account is invested in short term government debt.

Absolutely fucking stupid!!!

:lol:
By Leroy
#20700
elklindo69 wrote:The financial crisis was caused by private sector banking not government debt issues. If it wasn't for the government bailout then we would be in a depression.

Government debt is a manufactured problem created by the neocons to get ignorant tools to vote for them, the government has a AAAA credit rating. And the same tools who vote republican probably don't even realize that the money market fund or savings account is invested in short term government debt.

Absolutely fucking stupid!!!

:lol:
Nope, while the Banking problem was caused by Private Sector banks (kind of redundant), the cause of those loans were the massive pressure put on them by the socialists in this country demanding that people that should not have been given loans be given them, destroying the idea that you should have a way to repay a loan if you're going to take one out.

As for the Debt, sorry, it is a massive problem, as is the massively increasing size of government, if you don't understand that then you're not smart enough to be part of this thread.
By elklindo69
#20731
Leroy wrote:
elklindo69 wrote:The financial crisis was caused by private sector banking not government debt issues. If it wasn't for the government bailout then we would be in a depression.

Government debt is a manufactured problem created by the neocons to get ignorant tools to vote for them, the government has a AAAA credit rating. And the same tools who vote republican probably don't even realize that the money market fund or savings account is invested in short term government debt.

Absolutely fucking stupid!!!

:lol:
Nope, while the Banking problem was caused by Private Sector banks (kind of redundant), the cause of those loans were the massive pressure put on them by the socialists in this country demanding that people that should not have been given loans be given them, destroying the idea that you should have a way to repay a loan if you're going to take one out.

As for the Debt, sorry, it is a massive problem, as is the massively increasing size of government, if you don't understand that then you're not smart enough to be part of this thread.
Has the federal government defaulted on a penny of debt???

Banks loaned money because they were greedy, not because of the Paul Ryan reason....The government made us do it!!!

:lol:
By Leroy
#20734
elklindo69 wrote:Banks loaned money because they were greedy, not because of the Paul Ryan reason....The government made us do it!!!
So, you deny that all sorts of radical leftwing groups protested at banks and other lenders to force them to give loans to minorities?

Is there a bigger cuck piece of shit?

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