[RealJustme]

When you have a President who advocates violence and getting in people's faces we'll be seeing more and more killings. Violence has sky rocketed under Obama, even unions have turned to violence which was actually supported and called for by Obama. He encouraged unions to express there anger and not to stand for any future work to right laws. He told unions "it's not enough to just sit back and watch your rights be taken, you need to act and you need to act now".

A shooter kills shoopers in Oregon and now a shooter kills children in Connecticut while murders in all our large cities sky rockets. Our community agitator is creating an environment where we'll see more of this.

What all the murders have in commen is they call Christmas trees, "Holiday trees" and live in a world where they feel their entitlements (what ever they are) have been taken so they heed Obama's call to get in their faces.

Many of you fools voted for this, now enjoy the fruits of your vote. We need a leader who asked that everyone work together not one that agitates with hate speechs.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/12/14/ ... g-in-conn/

[DarknLadyJedi]

We have no information about this shooter, and I have not heard much in the way of reliable information regarding the Oregon shooter.

Please do not turn this tragic event into a political ploy about who is in office. No President could have foreseen this or done anything about it, nor do I believe that any President would condone such actions.

[RealJustme]

Please do not turn this tragic event into a political ploy about who is in office. No President could have foreseen this or done anything about it, nor do I believe that any President would condone such actions.

This shooting is just another reminder that the decline of morality and ethics in our society has consquences. Just this week our President celebrated with a rap singer who sang of raping then slowly torturing to death the women and children of our troops. He condones violence by the unions and his whole administration have demonstrated a lack of ethics, including him. This shooting is about our leadership, it starts there and works it's way down through our children. This 20 year old shooter was the son of an atheist teacher he wasn't born a cold blooded killer, he was raised to be one; we have to teach our children proper morals and ethics or we can expect more of this. To ignore the decline of morales and ethics turns our children into mindless game players who feel life is nothing but a combat game.

[DarknLadyJedi]

Where did you get that he was the son of an atheist teacher?

And if you want to mix in religion then I should point out that the US, one of the MOST religious countries in the world also has some of the highest crime rates, with religious participation in prison to be even higher. While the countries that are the least religious have some of the lowest crime rates.

[RealJustme]

MOST religious countries in the world also has some of the highest crime rates, with religious participation in prison to be even higher. While the countries that are the least religious have some of the lowest crime rates.

Where did I say a person has to be religious to have morales and ethics? Helping an elderly person who has fallen instead of taking advantage of the situation to steal their wallet has nothing to do with religion but it does have to do with the morales you've been exposed to during your childhood. Our children are exposed to an environment lacking in morales and ethics and our current leadership is the worse example we've ever had. Some people believe that morales and ethics have no place the leaders whe chose, I disagree and it has nothing to do with religion. Hell I'm not religious either but I do call a Christmas tree a Christmas tree, those who it bothers have serious mental issues and hatred in their system.

[justdoit]

Thank you Jedi
You are more respectful than me

Realjust me
Never told you this before, but
FUCK YOU!!
This is a tragedy this is not nor should be a political game.
You might want to double down on your statements of playing with politics, so I'm gonna double down on my statement
FUCK YOU!!
Go Play your games some fucking where else you little shit stain.

How dare you use the killing of CHILDREN so you can feel justisfied in making some petty political statements againt those in office, as if that, THE KILLING OF CHILDREN has any connection or corrolation, you dumass. Just looking at the news, 18 CHILDREN are murdered and you want to play some political game.
You should be embarrassed. Do you have children? If so how can you look in a mirror and think of tying your political view into the KILLING Of REAL CHILDREN OUR CHILDREN, This COUNTRIES CHILDREN. This is not a fucking video game, these are our children. Go now, Go look in the mirror and tell yourself how justified you feel you to blame these tragic deaths on politics.
I am embarrassed my for my country and the how my country is protrayed across the civilized world.
God I'm Pissed at this shit..

[snakeoil]

Justdoit-I second that!

[RealJustme]

How dare you use the killing of CHILDREN so you can feel justisfied in making some petty political statements againt those in office

How did I know the Obamabots would come running out in his defense with their panties in a wad? How dare you!

This shooting and other like it are a direct result of where our leaders are taking this Country, morales and ethics mean nothing and they demonstrate it every day. Take a moment out of defending the assholes in respect for those who have been killed. It pisses me off that out Nation is in this steep decline, the indicators are all right in our faces but many don't want to face the truth.

Let's look at what we need to do to prevent future attacks, it starts with our leadership and the teaching of respect for others through morales and ethics. Life is not a video game.

[BilboBagend]

Just more of the totally vile malice based on ignorant lies by justupid.

[DarknLadyJedi]

Luby's Cafeteria 1991, Bush in office
Columbine Massacre 1999, Clinton in office
VA Tech massacre 2007, Bush in office
Sandy Hook massacre 2012, Obama in office

I don't really see how this is any political parties fault.

[snakeoil]

Justme-I realize that I'm mking assumptions before all of the facts are known but, it appears that this has little to do with morals and ethics or leadership. This was an apparently mentally ill individual. His killing of his mother might not even have anything to do with the shootings. If it did, no sane individual would extend his rage at his mother to include 20 6-10 year old children. I am sad that you would use this tragedy to spout your half-baked political rants. Maybe it's time to examine your political beliefs to see how they can be backed up by facts.

[RealJustme]

Our Country is suffering a break down of morales and ethics. This isn't about this single shooting incident, it's about the daily mindless attacks across America, our leaders need to set the example, not stir the hatred. They need to disown and distance themselves from those who advocate violence.

DENVER (AP) — Police say four people were set afire during an attack at a northwest Denver residence.

Police spokesman Sonny Jackson says two men showed up at the front door at about 7:30 p.m. Thursday. Some words were exchanged and a woman who answered the door was sprayed with a flammable liquid from a hand pump bug sprayer and set afire. Three other adults in the home were also sprayed and set afire.

[RealJustme]

Luby's Cafeteria 1991, Bush in office
Columbine Massacre 1999, Clinton in office
VA Tech massacre 2007, Bush in office
Sandy Hook massacre 2012, Obama in office

I don't really see how this is any political parties fault.

So when did the push to ban Christmas trees in public areas begin? Yes it was prior to Bush being in office, the whole break down in morales and ethics began way before Bush came into office...Obama is just our first President as a result of those break downs of morales and ethics.

[RealJustme]

As a country, we have been through this too many times. Whether it is an elementary school in Newtown, or a shopping mall in Oregon, or a temple in Wisconsin, or a movie theater in Aurora, or a street corner in Chicago, these neighborhoods are our neighborhoods and these children are our children. And we’re going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics, a break down of morales and ethics is the real issue.

[DarknLadyJedi]

OK, when did we get a push to ban Christmas trees? I live in the deep south so maybe I just didn't notice this.
Although, as an atheist, I am still a little miffed about this whole politically correct we can't say Merry Christmas thing. It stopped being about the Christians a long, long time ago.

And it is more than a breakdown of morals and ethics, it is a fully cultural thing. We aggrandize actors and sports stars and mock scientists and scholars. We do everything possible to ensure that our children think the world is a fair and wonderful place while they are growing up and that everyone wins and then throw them out into a rat race woefully unprepared for a real world where nothing is fair and not everyone goes home with a trophy.

[RealJustme]

And it is more than a breakdown of morals and ethics, it is a fully cultural thing. We aggrandize actors and sports stars and mock scientists and scholars. We do everything possible to ensure that our children think the world is a fair and wonderful place while they are growing up and that everyone wins and then throw them out into a rat race woefully unprepared for a real world where nothing is fair and not everyone goes home with a trophy.

Very true. We need to get back to core values and hold our politicians to a higher level than we hold our used car salesmen.

[RealJustme]

The Obamabots and religious fanatics are out in full force on this one. In the mean time our children suffer.

[lumpster]

Wait so are you saying Obama should ban weapons.. That's how it sounds to me

[Vj2]

Justme sometimes you should just stop, this is one of those times.

[Vj2]

murders in all our large cities sky rockets.

What all the murders have in commen is they call Christmas trees, "Holiday trees"

I call bs on your murder claim please prove it. Also please show the quotations of ALL murders/Murderers using the phrase " holiday tree"

pffft

[Vj2]

Where did I say a person has to be religious to have morales and ethics?

You implied it by saying that he was raised to be a cold blooded killer by an atheist teacher

Further, you should delve into the relationship between laws stemming from a judeo Christian background, religion and morals.

[Vj2]

There were approx 12,000 murders in the USA in 2011
8000+ by firearms. Maybe you should look at that as a starting point.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... a-table-11

[lumpster]

The numbers are telling.

[DarknLadyJedi]

The numbers are telling:

2010 numbers / 100K
Israel 2.1
Italy .9
Mexico 22.7
Norway .6
Sweden 1.0
Switzerland .7
USA 4.2
Numbers taken from the UN report.

Rate of guns in households
Norway 31.3/100
Sweden 31.6/100
Italy 11.9/100
Mexico 15/100
USA 88.8/100

Israel and Switzerland present a different number, 100% of households with an able bodied male have a firearm in Switzerland by law, in Israel all military personnel keep their firearms at home with them, including reservists.

So the availability of firearms has little to do with the homicide rate. It has everything to do with the US's culture.

[RealJustme]

So the availability of firearms has little to do with the homicide rate. It has everything to do with the US's culture.

Bingo! But some will try and use this terrible event to push their anti-gun agenda while ignoring the real problem...our ever increasing decline in morales and ethics resulting in a culture where life and respect for others isn't valued. The personal attacks on me for pointing that simple fact out demonstrates I've hit the nail on the head, the Obamabots came out in full force rather than attempt to discuss the decline in our culture led by those like Obama.

[RealJustme]

Examples of our Country's decline in morales and ethics, the vultures descend:

Soledad O'Brien asking a parent who has just lost their little daughter: "What do you say to those who refused to enact stricter gun control laws, knowing that they stood in the way of regulations that could have saved your child?"

A veteran Democratic lawmaker believes the nation will go along with stronger gun control laws if President Obama “exploits” the Newtown, Conn., tragedy and nudges Congress to action.

Rep. Jerrold Nadler, who represents portions of New York City, said he was encouraged by Mr. Obama’s statement on Friday afternoon that the mass shooting, which claimed the lives of 20 young children, requires “meaningful action” by Congress, and hopes Obama takes full advantage of this opportunity to push gun control through.

What we need is a media and politicians to address the real issue of our declining culture starting within their ranks.

[snakeoil]

Get off your soapbox Justme. The shooter was mentally unbalanced. Morals and ethics had nothing to do with it. You'll never miss a chance to express your warped views of life will you?

[RealJustme]

Get off your soapbox Justme. The shooter was mentally unbalanced. Morals and ethics had nothing to do with it. You'll never miss a chance to express your warped views of life will you?

There are millions of mentally unbalanced people walking around on the streets, (some on this board) it's when morals and ethics break down when they become dangerous. We owe to our children to address the culture in America that leads to these tragic events.

[RealJustme]

Thank God America has more heros than morally corrupt thugs. We should analysis how these heros lived compared to the murder and see what can do to avoid another tragic event like this one.

"A lot of children are alive today because of actions the teachers took," School Superintendent Janet Robinson told NBC's TODAY show on Saturday, a day after a gunman killed 20 children and six adults at the K-4th grade school in Newtown, Conn.

Principal Dawn Hochsprung and school psychologist Mary Sherlach, both among those killed, were said to have run toward the gunfire as it broke out, with Hochsprung lunging at the gunman, according to town officials.

Hochsprung was coming out of a meeting when she confronted the shooter, Board of Education chairwoman Debbie Liedlien said Saturday.

Jeff Capeci, chairman of Newtown's Legislative Council, said Hochsprung's actions were nothing short of heroic. "From what we know, it's hard to classify her as anything else," he added.

Teachers like Maryrose Kristopik took their students to the safest areas in their classrooms. In Kristopik's case, it was a closet.

"We hid in a closet, we stayed quiet, we held hands, we hugged," Kristopik, who teaches music, told the New York Daily News. "I tried to talk to them calmly."

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mary Ann Jacob, a school library aide, told reporters Saturday that she took 18 4th graders into the back of a classroom and blocked the door with a filing cabinet.

[RealJustme]

Thank our current government for where our country is now. Keeping voting for it if you like where we're at.

[Demagogue]

Our current government has nothing to do with what is happening currently.

From the disrespect of others to parents not teaching their children good values; from dishonesty among government and business leaders to rising crime, loss of religion, breakdown of the family structure; and people not being accountable for their own behavior. No one's responsible for anything anymore. Everybody's a victim.

morals in our society can be traced to the breakdown in the family. Children are not given the guidance that leads to self-respect and if you don't respect yourself, how can you have any respect for your fellow human beings? And if the children try to look up for direction, all they see is the lure of the almighty buck, from the corporations to the government.

The rampant narcissism, sense of entitlement and lack of consideration for your fellow human being. People feel like they should be able to do whatever they want, whenever they want, and screw you if you don't like it. Part of it is parenting, but the other part is society and celebrities condoning that attitude. "My family thinks I'm awesome. Why don't you?"

Discipline taken out of the school system.
Laws against parents disciplining and spanking their children.
Cell phones, texting and social media- no face to face interaction - huge lack of social skills.
Participate in a sport or activity and EVERYBODY wins, no losers sets a BAD precedent and not an example of the REAL world.

"Spare the rod and spoil the child"

Growing up, if we did something bad, first the neighbor Mother or Father who caught us gave us hell and then when we got home, we received another round of hell and 99% of my generation turned out good.

Just because 1 out of Million gets hurt or killed, a law shouldn't be implemented trying to protect everyone because what we are now seeing is absolutely detrimental no matter what a few "do-gooder" so-called experts tell us.

The so-called "do-gooders" who pressed for and passed these silly laws should be held 100% accountable as their actions have caused a great deal of death, destruction, shoplifters and entitlement classes, both foreign and domestic.

Everybody CANNOT be a winner - period, there MUST be losers to have winners.

Regulate guns all you want. GUESS WHAT?

That will NEVER STOP a person or criminal who wants to get one, black markets and the underground are larger than you think and the profit rivals legal enterprise.

Take away or regulate 'legal' gun owners and you are setting the stage for another Custers last stand where Custers people have only rocks to throw at the gun shooting thugs.

[RealJustme]

Our current government has nothing to do with what is happening currently.

Bullshit they have everything to do with what's happening. The whole Obama Administration group are a bunch of thugs with no morals or ethics. The actions they are and aren't taking plus the poor example they setting for our children will result in more violence. Obama want's Americans to feel guilt, anger and depressed about being Americans, everyone of these mass killers fit that mold.

[BilboBagend]

It looks like the adults may finally come to the table and have a discussion. The extremist malignant radical reactionary morons, like justupid, will be howling at the moon for some time.

[RealJustme]

It looks like the adults may finally come to the table and have a discussion.

Way past due. I'm against fully automatic weapons in the hands of the general public but don't define a semi automatic weapon as an assault weapon as liberals do. Hell a fork could be an assault weapon if used in an assault.

I hope once they all get to the table someone with a level head explains that our real problem isn't liberal labeled assault weapons, in fact they are only used in less than 2% of murders in the United States. We have to look at the factors resulting 100% of the murders, which is the state of mind of the murders. The more liberal the Country becomes the more mass murders we see. Why is that and what can we do stop that trend.

[Demagogue]

While the perception in the wake of this year’s mass shootings has been that such acts are on the rise, the Associated Press found that it’s actually the exact opposite when you look at the data on a macro level.
“There is no pattern, there is no increase,” says criminologist James Allen Fox of Boston’s Northeastern University.
He adds that the random mass shootings that get the most media attention are the rarest.
While mass shootings rose between the 1960s and the 1990s, they actually dropped in the 2000s. And mass killings actually reached their peak in 1929, Grant Duwe, a criminologist with the Minnesota Department of Corrections who has written a history of mass murders in America, says.
Chances of being killed in a mass shooting, he says, are probably no greater than being struck by lightning. - AP

Just some food for thought....... :idea:

[RealJustme]

Just some food for thought.......

The people reading this don't need any food for thought, everyone's minds are made up and locked in concrete; posts they read are "good or bad" depending on when that concrete dried. I feel your post of bad.

[Vj2]

What should worry you is that you have an approx 8,000 deaths per year from firearms. Higher than any other developed civil nation in the world sustained (unless they are at war) If that doesn't make you think you have a problem then your acceptance of that as par for the course is more telling and shocking than virtually anything else.. It's not a liberal or conservative thing, your stats are about the same regardless of who is in power. It's about your " gun culture" and mindset. Which goes way beyond your railing about newfound thuggery and moral decline.

Remember the adage from wwII. "when the Germans fired the British ducked. When the British fired the Germans ducked. When the Americans fired everybody's fucked"

[RealJustme]

It's about your " gun culture" and mindset. Which goes way beyond your railing about newfound thuggery and moral decline.

Actually it is about thuggery and moral decline. The septic tanks of America are Chicago and Detroit where guns are banned but murders are the highest in the Nation. It is all about the thuggery, that's an inconvenient truth. If you can't see that you need to consider seeking help.

[Vj2]

No the truth you refuse to see is that you've had a problem for decades and decades and it's about your Collective worship of the firearm. That's your issue. Refusing to see that you have the highest murder rate in the world by firearms is a problem

[RealJustme]

That's your issue. Refusing to see that you have the highest murder rate in the world by firearms is a problem

:lol: Not one firearm has killed anyone without the help of a person. Our current problem is a thuggery culture as a result of lack of morals and ethics. Everyone one of the mass killers have than in commen. We need to teach morals and ethics plus compassion for fellow humanes, starting in grade school because obviously many of our Obamabot parents aren't doing it.

[DarknLadyJedi]

Actually so far none of the media reported mass killings has been by a member of the "thug life".

Nor have I seen anything to support the idea that any of these atrocities were committed by anything other than regular church going Christians.

Could you please provide links to back up these claims?

[RealJustme]

Actually so far none of the media reported mass killings has been by a member of the "thug life".

?

They proved to be thugs when they killed innocent people. I don't need the media to tell me that. No one is a thug until their first thuggery. They are thugs of the highest order.

[DarknLadyJedi]

Killing people doesn't make them a thug. Criminal yes.

Most of these people have mental problems which have not been helped by the US's refusal to require mentally ill people to be treated and allowing them to "elect" to continue down dangerous paths until they have committed crimes.

[RealJustme]

Killing people doesn't make them a thug. Criminal yes.

Most of these people have mental problems which have not been helped by the US's refusal to require mentally ill people to be treated and allowing them to "elect" to continue down dangerous paths until they have committed crimes.

I respectfully disagree. I consider them thugs of the worse kind. A thug, is a criminal, who treats others violently and roughly.

Concerning your observation most of them had mental prolems??? I would say all the mass murders had to have mental problems to kill innocent people who they had never met.

We need to find out what is causing those mental problems and address it before it infects others. Our grade schools need to start teaching respect for other through high morals and ethcis. The tough issue is what do we do about all those already infected?

[BilboBagend]

Many are very sick innocents. They have no idea what they are doing. They have no understanding.

We still need to protect ourselves and be ever vigilant.

Much like we need to protect ourselves and be ever vigilant against the ignorant malicious thugs like justupid.

Then again, there are real thugs in this world who just don't care about the consequences of their action on other people. Like justupid.

A libertarian (NOT a Libertarian) believes that government needs to do the MINIMUM to protect the people from each other and extremely importantly from the wealthy and powerful. Civil rights are the first cause of the people and the government. All rights belong to the people collectively and as individuals. No individuals rights should ever be limited without clear justification to protecting a greater, more important right. Thus, it should be illegal to commit murder, as the right to live is a much greater right.

Then we get to the two sticky areas. Public morality, a venue in which the government constantly suppresses the rights of individuals and should back out and start protecting the rights of individuals. The federal government should be the ultimate authority protecting individual rights and equality under the law. The federal government should clearly be protecting the rights of GLBT to have eqial access to the same laws and institutional rights as everyone else, under the same laws with the same names and the same rights and privileges.

There is NO second amendment right to carry weapons of mass destruction. The founding fathers had no such interest. The founding fathers were solely concerned with the abi8lity of the states to form a citizen militia to protect the state. No other concern is expressed in the second amendment. No other concern was on the minds on the delegates to the Constitutional conventio0n or the establishment of the Bill of Rights. No one at that time would ever consider the possibility that firearms necessary for self protection or hunting would ever NEED to be limited and they saw no need to explicitly protect such rights. They did see a need to have a basis for the states to protect themselves and the country from invasion by European powers. It was the method by which this country was formed and the method by which it would protect itself in the foreseeable future. One controversy in this country was over the need to have a standing (permanent) army and navy.

Times have changed, military situations have changed, and the needs of the people and the country have changed. Gun laws need to change with the times and circumstances. To protect the people and to maintain the legitimate rights of people for self protection and hunting, but not at the expense of the lives of the American people.

[RealJustme]

Many are very sick innocents. They have no idea what they are doing. They have no understanding.

So when did we switch the conversation to Obama supporters?

[BilboBagend]

Didn't know you were an Obama supporter.

[RealJustme]

America agrees with me and the NRA on this one!

Poll: Americans see police, mental health care more effective than assault weapons ban

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... eapons-ban

[RealJustme]

Realjust me
Never told you this before, but
FUCK YOU!!
This is a tragedy this is not nor should be a political game.
You might want to double down on your statements of playing with politics, so I'm gonna double down on my statement
FUCK YOU!!
Go Play your games some fucking where else you little shit stain.

How dare you use the killing of CHILDREN so you can feel justisfied in making some petty political statements againt those in office, as if that, THE KILLING OF CHILDREN has any connection or corrolation, you dumass.

Obamabot trying to avoid reality unententionally slams Obama:lol:

[Leroy]

How dare you use the killing of CHILDREN so you can feel justisfied in making some petty political statements againt those in office, as if that, THE KILLING OF CHILDREN has any connection or corrolation, you dumass. Just looking at the news, 18 CHILDREN are murdered and you want to play some political game.

And yet when Obama, the News, the Obama Supporters, when they use this for political gain, to destroy the country, you stand silent against them - that says a lot about you.