[VWSupport]

Contributors can now do the following on Voyeurweb.com, RedClouds.com and HomeClips.com, within their contributions manager found at: http://www.voyeurweb.com/account/albums/browse/

1: Capable of deleting all comments left on their contributions.
2: Can now reply to a users comment.
3: Able to see their images/video.
4: See all comments left on their contributions.

I would like to thank all of our contributors who were invaluable in making these suggestions!

Hope you like the changes, let me know your feedback.

[FAQ]

You do realize that many commenters leave valuable clues for identifying stolen content or contri sent in by professional webmistresses, right? So now you give the thieves a tool to kept their thievery hid? All deleted comments need to be reviewed by VW before completely removing them unless VW wants to award prize money to thieves and not real amateurs.

[DangerousDi]

I think it will make it a great advantage. Will be able to see conversations. Hopefully the gals will think like men and make comments in return short.

[DarknLadyJedi]

You do realize that many commenters leave valuable clues for identifying stolen content or contri sent in by professional webmistresses, right? So now you give the thieves a tool to kept their thievery hid? All deleted comments need to be reviewed by VW before completely removing them unless VW wants to award prize money to thieves and not real amateurs.

Or they could hit the "report this contribution button" and actually report it.

[FAQ]

You do realize that many commenters leave valuable clues for identifying stolen content or contri sent in by professional webmistresses, right? So now you give the thieves a tool to kept their thievery hid? All deleted comments need to be reviewed by VW before completely removing them unless VW wants to award prize money to thieves and not real amateurs.

Or they could hit the "report this contribution button" and actually report it.

It has been proven that hitting that button and informing VW through that means is next to worthless. Most reports are totally ignored. Kiki wants us to email her rather than fix the bloody internal problem where someone is ignoring the reports. Send the information to Kiki, so she can decide whether to forward on to someone who will decide whether to remove the contri at some future date.

but let's pretend someone actually reads those reports and acts upon them - call me a dreamer

you have the problem that many comments do not have the full details. "She looks like..." or "haven't I seen these before?" or "You have a great paysite, thanks for posting here!" They may not even want the contri removed.

Then there's the issue that someone who scrolls to the bottom of the contri realizes who it is, or happens to google her. Now with the data, he does not see the report link. He sees the comment link.

We also have to deal those not wanting to provide VW with their email addresses.

And if the person has reported several Tit flashes or Ass Flashes that day, VW tells them on the contri form, they exceeded the daily limit of reporting. No limit on how many posts a thief can make, but a limit to the number of reports others can make.

lastly, how many people have tried to use that link and had zero success? They have been taught to not even bother using the link.

So, that is the reason they might not hit the "report this contribution button" and actually report it. This is why it is so damn important to not allow the contributor total control over the comments. This is why I'm beginning to believe VW does not care if they post legitimate amateur images or not. They are doing everything to make the wrong people happy here - paysites and thieves... and the way too sensitive types who think any criticism is bashing.

[VWSupport]

DangerousDi - Glad you like the new changes! I also look forward to seeing the fun communications between user and contributor, think it will add a whole lot more to the contri sections.

FAQ - It has not been proven, please do not claim this. The contributions department handles many, many reports a day, if those reports contain proof of a professional they are looked into and then the contris are removed. I do not want everyone to email me, the proper channel is to click the report button, however as you were having trouble I offered to assist you personally, plus in the very beginning of tit/ass flash there was no report button yet. Now there is a "Report this Contribution" button across the board, and comments are not the way to get the admin's attention to remove a contri, as pointed out by DJ.

The contributors want the ability to delete their own comments, not because they are trying to scam anyone, but because they should not have to deal with the rude and nasty people who sometimes leave cruel comments. If a woman posts her photo, she has every right to not want to see these comments and delete them, she has put herself out there to have fun, and the jerks who leave such negative comments should not have the power to ruin that for her. We implemented the above changes because our contributors asked for them to make the experience more positive.

To claim that the contributors are just too sensitive is cruel in itself, the majority of rude comments are not constructive criticism and are really very disturbing. It takes a lot to put oneself out there naked and the nasty comments have stopped many women from posting because each time they go to view their contris as they must look at the terrible words, which is not fun for anyone and should not have to be endured. The contributors deserve this power.

[somewhere]

It seems like FAQ is now complaining because VW has finally brought for contributors what Igor started doing on his new site some months ago.

I do not remember any complaining from FAQ on the other site when it came from Igor doing it. I might be corrected.

[FAQ]

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FAQ - It has not been proven, please do not claim this. The contributions department handles many, many reports a day, if those reports contain proof of a professional they are looked into and then the contris are removed. I do not want everyone to email me, the proper channel is to click the report button, however as you were having trouble I offered to assist you personally, plus in the very beginning of tit/ass flash there was no report button yet. Now there is a "Report this Contribution" button across the board, and comments are not the way to get the admin's attention to remove a contri, as pointed out by DJ.

The contributors want the ability to delete their own comments, not because they are trying to scam anyone, but because they should not have to deal with the rude and nasty people who sometimes leave cruel comments. If a woman posts her photo, she has every right to not want to see these comments and delete them, she has put herself out there to have fun, and the jerks who leave such negative comments should not have the power to ruin that for her. We implemented the above changes because our contributors asked for them to make the experience more positive.

To claim that the contributors are just too sensitive is cruel in itself, the majority of rude comments are not constructive criticism and are really very disturbing. It takes a lot to put oneself out there naked and the nasty comments have stopped many women from posting because each time they go to view their contris as they must look at the terrible words, which is not fun for anyone and should not have to be endured. The contributors deserve this power.

It has been proven to my mind. I've reported several with not only one link, but several, including the paysite signup page. Nothing. According to you and Diego, the check was sent. I do not know if it was the pro webmistress or a thief, but you both claim all winners had been paid. Once? Accident, something was over looked. Twice? Careless. More than that? A pattern of behavior.

Couple that pattern of total disregard with the idiotic limits placed on reporting fraudulent contri, and well, there you have it - proof that VW does what to know nor do they care.

I never asked for special treatment, nor do I want it. I want the system to work right. I want to work right for one simple reason. Millions of eyes are better than two. If I am not getting action after providing clear and convincing evidence, how many others are being ignored? VW is training people to not report the violations. Kiki, that might not be YOUR intent, but it sure seems like it is VW's intent.

As to the deleting comments, read what I wrote! Do not make up shit. Read my post again! I asked for someone at VW to review all deleted comments before making them go away forever. But since VW does not seem to care who they send the checks to, maybe I was wrong in that regard. Even a comment in the delete queue with a link would be ignored by the VW staff.

The thin-skinned comment is just. I have no issue of deleting rudeness and bigotry and bashing. None. Ban those commenters for all I care. But someone who makes a comment about the photography? Perhaps it is simply disliking the contributor calling his ex-wife/gf a bitch. Maybe it would their dislike of white cottons or platform stripper heels, or tattoos and piercings, or boob jobs. We should have free rational and respectful conversations, even it is displeasing to someone.

No one should assume 100% favorable comments. No one. And to allow a contributor to create that imaginary world is not good. Next, the thin-skinned contributors will want to control the BB. Some already think the original poster should be able to delete posts as if they own the thread.

When you invite comments, you invite favorable and unfavorable comments. It takes a truly impartial person to separate the rude from the merely unfavorable. VW should be doing that or setting up a system that allows others to review the deleted comments before totally making them go away.

Next you will tell me VW is eliminating the POOR and the FAIR voting since no one deserves a low score either. Ask the contributors, and they will agree. They do not want POOR or FAIR votes counted. Let's have everyone scoring between VERY GOOD and SUPERB. Now, everyone can be happy.

[CLOUZEAU]

I agree 200% with FAQ

Giving total control to contributors is a BAD idea

[DarknLadyJedi]

Every contributor who I have talked to likes this idea. I can't really see why anyone who isn't posting negative comments would be opposed to these changes.

And I really don't personally care about the opinion of the bashers.

[VWSupport]

Please note, that once a contributor deletes a comment, they do not disappear forever, the deleted comments ARE reviewed by the staff to ensure that the contributor is not going delete-happy...and let me show you that they are not. Here are a few actual comments that were deleted within the first few hours of the changes going into effect:

"What trailer park is she from?"

"GROSS"

"No man would touch you"

"Thats some NASTY tits!!!"

This is why contributors deserve control to delete, if the world suddenly becomes a nicer place VW will reconsider the delete button, but until then it will stay to prevent users like this from leaving lasting comments.

[Jammer]

Kiki, I am encouraged to see that you guys are steadily making improvements to the site, especially where it affects the experience for the contributors. As you know, I’ve always been a strong advocate of anything you do which reduces the amount of negative comments and abuse that some contributors have to put up with. Having to register prior to posting comments has helped greatly, and allowing contributors to remove any comment they don’t like is another good step. But is there any system in place to monitor the amount of comments from a person which get reported or removed by a contributor? If someone has an occasional comment removed from time to time that’s not a big deal, but is someone is regularly posting comments which get removed, there should be some way of flagging this for admin to review and perhaps remove this person’s privileges. Another possibility would be to have the comment left in the feedback, but blacked out leaving only the poster’s name so that everyone can see that this person has a history of making rude or insulting comments. It would lessen the impact is has on a contributor if she knew that “Mr. Smith” is always posting abusive comments.

I don’t have any facts or figures to back this up, but since VW has improved it’s controls over feedback a couple of months ago, it seems like the numbers and the quality of contributions have greatly increased in all sections of the free part of the site. I’m talking about legitimate contributions, not total contributions. It seems also that there is a drop in ‘fake’ and ‘stolen’ posts, at least in the instant sections.

I understand FAQ’s frustration with the ‘report contribution’ button as often there is a time lag before anything happens, and sometimes nothing seems to happen. I have used it, and I’ve received responses from several people at VW thanking me for the report…and the photo seems to be removed. But there are other time when nothing happens. This is understandable for pics which may be stolen from other sites. I’ve gotten in the habit of using Google’s image search for new contributors that I don’t recognize, and I often find copies of the same photo elsewhere. But this in not proof that the pic is stolen…there are many regular contributors that post pics on other sites as well as VW. Just because a photo has been posted somewhere else, does not mean it’s stolen. It can’t be easy for anyone having to make that determination, especially if the pic is exactly the same. There is, as far as I can determine, nothing in the rules which discourages someone from posting pics that they have posted elsewhere on the web. I’m not recommending that VW insist on being the exclusive site that people post their photos to…it’s their property and they should be free to do with it what they wish…but it does make it easy for someone to post stolen content. Perhaps a solution would be to add another simple question of the contributor when the upload…‘Has this photo been posted anywhere else prior to posting it here?’ When the contribution is displayed there could be a simple denotation stating whether it’s a debut for the pic or not. If someone claims it the first time it’s posted, then any proven posting of the pic at a prior date would be justification for its removal.

Since all contributions are now linked, another possible course of action would be to encourage contributors to post a ‘verification’ photo of them holding a sign saying “Hello VW” with their name and the date, or some other method which would prove their authenticity. There are a few other sites doing this with good success…verified contributors attract far more fans.

As with your efforts to reduce the abusive comments, reducing the amount of ‘fake’ posts is only going to encourage more legitimate contributors to visit VW, and to post more. I’m sure most women do not like ‘competing’ against ‘professional’ models, especially when their pics are ‘stolen’ from somewhere else.

I noticed today the highlighted comments from contributors in Private Shots feedback…a great enhancement. I hope this will also be added to the instant sections as well.

BTW, a pic in the instant ass section that I reported as possibly being stolen just prior to me starting to draft this response has already been pulled and I received an email notification from Peach. Perhaps it might be wise to provide email notifications also if VW decides that there is no justification for removing the reported photo(s).

[rugrollers]

That's a very thoughtful set of suggestions, Jammer.

I would be careful about instituting methods of shaming or banning nasty commenters, though. I suspect that knowing their comments are likely to be removed by contributors will further diminish them, just as the registration requirement has already done.

VW and the paysites did used to require that any contri submitted for a contest should never have been posted before (here or elsewhere). I didn't realize that was no longer the case.

[Jammer]

RR, I wasn't suggesting that someone be banned from posting comments if they have a few removed occasionally. But if a 'member' has 10 comments removed by 10 different contributors over a short span of time, I think there should be some mechanism in place to at least review this person's privileges. And I'm not suggesting that 10 is the magic number, but I think there has to be steps taken to protect contributors from people are are habitually abusive.

I know the old VW was adamant about pics posted there being exclusive to them, especially where contests winnings were involved, but I do not see where that is a requirement any longer. All I can find is a requirement that the contributor owns the photos they are posting (plus the usual requirement of them not containing any under aged content, extreme depictions). If VW does not have any restriction clearly marked in the posting rules on the photos being exclusive to the site, then I don't think we should hold it against contributors who have posted those photos elsewhere.

[Jammer]

Kiki, I see now that a contributor to the instant sections can reply directly to a comment, but it's not very clear as to what comment she is replying to. In the list of recent comments under the photo, the comments are still in chronological order, but when you view the full list of comments, the reply seems to be under the comment she is replying to. It's not easy to figure out what comment she is replying to, which could easily lead to grave misunderstandings. Also, it would be great if her comments were a different color or highlighted in some way.

[FAQ]

Every contributor who I have talked to likes this idea. I can't really see why anyone who isn't posting negative comments would be opposed to these changes.

And I really don't personally care about the opinion of the bashers.

You cannot see any reason because you have myopic vision of a contributor who wants total control. Sorry, but true.

I do not want the contributor to have TOTAL control, just partial. Let them remove the real bashing, subject to VW review.

Please note, that once a contributor deletes a comment, they do not disappear forever, the deleted comments ARE reviewed by the staff to ensure that the contributor is not going delete-happy--snip--

And you could have stated this much earlier - like when you stated DELETE the very first time. The contributor does not "delete" the comment. It is totally misnamed. The contributor places the comment in a "review" queue. That would have saved all of us plenty of time "debating" about what was already in place.

Not that VW is not completely trustworthy, and not that VW hasn't immediately responded to reports, but I would really like to see this "reviewed by staff" thing in action. If some contributor is willing to prove the VW staff is actually reviewing the comments by "deleting" a few good comments and seeing if they ever return, and keep testing the system to see how long it takes the commented to re-appear after being "reviewed by VW staff" - it would be most enlightening.

Why I think the system is totally ass-backwards - The contributor should be able to alert the VW Staff of a basher. Quick reviews of the alerts would result in the bashers' comments being removed. The contributor who is sitting there all night click RELOAD should realize it takes a little time to review all the alerted comments. Most contributors checking periodically through the days following posting will alert and by the time they look again, it would be removed. They will never have to view it twice if VW Staff were on the ball or appointed volunteers with a basic knowledge of what crosses the line.

The old commenting rules went like this:
"She's a fat pig!" = bashing, subject to deletion.
"She's too fat for my tastes." = opinion, stands.

The flip side happens as well:
"Anorexic! Eat a cheeseburger!" = basher, not a medical opinion
"She's too skinny for me." = opinion, stands.

You should never expect everyone to appreciate your contri. It is unwise to keep pumping sunshine up some skirts. Silence speaks volumes beyond bashing.

[FAQ]

--snip--
I often find copies of the same photo elsewhere. But this in not proof that the pic is stolen…there are many regular contributors that post pics on other sites as well as VW. Just because a photo has been posted somewhere else, does not mean it’s stolen.

Stolen or previously posted - it does not about removing the contri. Neither are acceptable to be in the contests.

Some contributors flood every website with a contest with the same images. Or they post images that did well in another contest and think they can do well at VW with those same images. The result is that the VW viewers get retreaded contri. Images previously seen in many other places. VW becomes the dumping ground for old images.

The policy the VW used to have about getting rid of those images ensured teh VW viewer got fresh, never seen before images. That made VW the site to stop at first, and eventually, you learned that the others were not worth seeing old retreaded images.

While the old, old VW was quick to remove stolen or previously published images, when Ghost was in charge of removing in the more recent years, he favored leaving up the recycled images for a few days. Seems Diego's VW is even slower, if at all. "VW - Home of the Retreaded, recycled images." That is not the slogan you want for VW, is it?

I am happy your requests for removal are addressed and answered. Apparently, some lazy ass behind the scenes got tired of dealing with reports on many contri and sends my reports to the junk heap. The non-responsiveness for me happened on the day I found each and every contri in a section to be stolen from various pay sites. Not just a webmistress sending VW images in hopes of quick cash or several email addresses to spam. No, these were obvious crops of paysite images. Nothing was done. No replies. Nothing. Diego announced all checks were sent, too. VW is paying for stolen content.

The true amateurs have to not just deal with the risk of being caught posting, the bashers, and the general craziness, bit now, the real amateurs have to compete against the best stolen images off the web.

It is not frustration. It is disgust that VW does not care to fix their broken system and fire the lazy asses who do uphold the rules to the contests. Someone might think they are the ones submitting the stolen content!

[FAQ]

That's a very thoughtful set of suggestions, Jammer.

I would be careful about instituting methods of shaming or banning nasty commenters, though. I suspect that knowing their comments are likely to be removed by contributors will further diminish them, just as the registration requirement has already done.

VW and the paysites did used to require that any contri submitted for a contest should never have been posted before (here or elsewhere). I didn't realize that was no longer the case.

I disagree. The basher now knows the contributor read his ugly comments. His message got through. He'll be encouraged to post more comments. I've seen it. They come back and write more comments. Some complaining about the contributor deleting them. The basher just keeps coming back for more and more.

Hence, Jammer's idea of not allowing some bashers to retain their accounts is good, but it will also require verification of the account, otherwise, I can make a new account with very little effort.

[DangerousDi]

Wow, sounds like the fight is on.

Turning something nice into something ugly because it is your opinion, when VW has the right to do whatever they want. I think it is a beneift to both sides and something that will enchance VW. Try to say something nice today.

[CLOUZEAU]

Having to register prior to posting comments has helped greatly,

NOT TRUE :roll:

you don't need to register to post comments: just enter a nickname and your comment.
you may, if you wish, use your registered nickname but you don't have to

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[DarknLadyJedi]

Clouzeau is correct, you don't have to register in order to leave comments. A contributor and choose to only allow comments from registered individuals but that is up to the contributor.

FAQ is also correct that since those accounts are free it doesn't take much effort to create a new one once one is banned. But it does slow the bashing as is evident in contributions that limit it to registered users.

As for allowing the same images that have been previously posted elsewhere, VW has always allowed that, what they have never allowed was images that have been used in any contest elsewhere. So you could post the same pictures on your Flikr account, but not to a contest at a competing site, even a semi-competing site like Wicked Weasel.

I personally would like to see this rule continue. I think the act of allowing amateurs to spread their pictures around to every site is a bad idea, just as bad as allowing professionals to compete, or even allowing professions to appear beside the amateurs in order to fill content blocks. Sadly this has been done at VW in the past by Igor as was mentioned by Jme on another thread, and continues on other sites now. VW was designed for amateurs and exists for a niche market of people who are looking for real amateurs, not just another cookie cutter pretend to be amateurs professional site.

[FAQ]

--snip--
As for allowing the same images that have been previously posted elsewhere, VW has always allowed that, what they have never allowed was images that have been used in any contest elsewhere. So you could post the same pictures on your Flikr account, but not to a contest at a competing site, even a semi-competing site like Wicked Weasel.

I personally would like to see this rule continue. I think the act of allowing amateurs to spread their pictures around to every site is a bad idea, just as bad as allowing professionals to compete, or even allowing professions to appear beside the amateurs in order to fill content blocks. Sadly this has been done at VW in the past by Igor as was mentioned by Jme on another thread, and continues on other sites now. VW was designed for amateurs and exists for a niche market of people who are looking for real amateurs, not just another cookie cutter pretend to be amateurs professional site.

Not true. VW required the exclusive showing of any image.

VW did allow you to post an image to a semi-private account first, then to VW, but if you did not have restrictions on the Flickr account, leaving it wide open to the general viewer, then VW would remove it. Of course, in the later days with Ghost reading the remove notices, this rule was routinely ignored until Igor intervened. More recently, Igor allowed some to remain posted, but those were ineligible for prize awards.

I used the waybackmachine to pull this old sidebar up, and highlighted the pertinent passage:

Our photo pages feature genuine photos only - published nowhere else. If you come across any photo which has appeared somewhere else, please send us a removal-alert by clicking here. 99% of our contributors are amateurs including private ProAdult webmasters. Full professionals (commercial models and/or photographers) are also welcomed to submit their material, as long as it is genuine and not posted anywhere! We do not link to other sites but private FRC/PA sites and we do not rank contris from full professionals.

The issue is simple. Let's say some gal, Sally, posts naked pics to Flickr. A thief posts them here under VWSally. No one can tell VWSally is not Sally until Sally finds out about the contri and demands it be removed.

Your WW example was not quite as you make it sound. If you posted some WW shots to their website, and you had 8-9 original images to VW plus 1-2 "borrowed" from the WW submission, VW probably would ignore that case.

[FAQ]

As to the contributors being able to "remove" comments and VW reviewing them, well, it seems VW is doing a piss poor job on the review.

Since my reports of stolen contri go ignored using the form, I decided to test the "review" process. I posted comments on some contri and gave all the facts of the where the images were stolen. Some easily seen that the image was cropped. Some using a false name for a past VW/MFF contributor.

The comments were of course deleted rather quickly, but two days later, the contri still remain.

Now, back to Jammer's idea of banning the bashers, under how I suspect VW would write a commenter banning routine, I would no doubt get banned because thieves took a disliking to my comments.

Why should any true amateur believe they lost out to another true amateur in the contests? Unless something is done, and done rather quickly, I foresee VW becoming just another Top Post site. And please stop telling me about all these wonderful and exciting projects that will be coming out next week. Fix the existing broken ones.

[rugrollers]

I personally would like to see this rule continue. I think the act of allowing amateurs to spread their pictures around to every site is a bad idea, just as bad as allowing professionals to compete, or even allowing professions to appear beside the amateurs in order to fill content blocks. Sadly this has been done at VW in the past by Igor as was mentioned by Jme on another thread, and continues on other sites now. VW was designed for amateurs and exists for a niche market of people who are looking for real amateurs, not just another cookie cutter pretend to be amateurs professional site.

I wholeheartedly agree that the rule about not allowing content that has been posted in competitions elsewhere should be reinstated. Whether it should be as strict as it used to be, to include previous publication in any context, I'm not sure. It partly depends on which version can be more easily and consistently enforced.

If there is as much stolen content on VW as FAQ claims, it really is a bad situation and getting it under control should be given high priority. Unfortunately, FAQ has been so histrionically unreasonable about so many issues, and so unrelentingly hostile to VW, that I never know when to believe him anymore. It is a "pig who cried wolf" problem...

[DarknLadyJedi]

Actually, since FAQ is so concerned about the stolen contributions and people removing his comments, I would love to know which contributions are currently up which he feels are stolen?

Links would be best, but names/dates would work as well. We would need some idea of where the originals were, unless you found them by Google search.

[FAQ]

http://www.voyeurweb.com/contributions/view/345149/

http://tinyurl.com/Clover-stolen

just a sample of the no response to reports and the deletion of comments that continues to happen. I suspect by posting this one, Kiki will scream at someone, and the contri will eventually be removed. It ought not take that. the system should work as advertised.

[FAQ]

I've been quite unhappy with the new directions VW has headed. They have been unreasonable and unfair to many contributors. It seems the only way to get VW to do the right thing is to do some screaming. Shaming people into doing the right thing is not the way it should work. They should want to do the right thing without thinking about it.

I have always been one to defend the contributor from the unreasonable. Seems to be in overdrive these days.

[rugrollers]

Actually, since FAQ is so concerned about the stolen contributions and people removing his comments, I would love to know which contributions are currently up which he feels are stolen?

Links would be best, but names/dates would work as well. We would need some idea of where the originals were, unless you found them by Google search.

"Unhappy with the new direction" doesn't even remotely describe FAQ's posture on here, which has been unrelentingly accusatory since day one, no matter what anybody on VW does.

It should be easy to provide a lot more than one example if the problem is as endemic as he claims.

Probably there are some who would want to help chase off the pros and thieves if they could know that it is a help and not just part of someone's vendetta.

[FAQ]

Naming them on the BB is not the proper way to handle the situation. Fixing the system that is broke is the proper way. There is no reason to spam the BB with more cases. Kiki will take care of this one, yet the problems in the system will remain. I think you know that.

I was never a fan of Ghost. This problem of ignoring the stolen content and allowing the pros to post is nothing new. Ghost started doing that on about 2 years ago. But up until June, it was not the VW policy. It sure seems to be the policy these days. I do not know if Ghost left that rule change before departing or not. It will cause major problems unless addressed soon.

Is Diego following that lead? I do not know. I just know that under his leadership nothing has improved with addressing stolen contri. In fact, this most recent policy seems to promote the very idea of letting thieves run off with prize awards. Kiki says it is in response to contributors' request. Seems VW is taking action and ignoring the unintended consequences.

Over all these years, we have grown to expect more from VW. I would not be posting if I did not think some day VW will return stronger and better than before.

[DarknLadyJedi]

I seriously doubt that you are hoping for that with the vitriol you spout FAQ. Especially considering that most people already seem to think it has returned better than it was under Igor.

And 1 example? Really not an epidemic as you describe. And based on the comments section the ability to remove comments has not effected everyone outing this stolen contri in any case.

And the comment I made was to show which contributions you felt were stolen. This was so that we could all see this epidemic. You say that naming them on the BB is not the proper way to handle it, and I agree. But I'm not looking to see it handled this way, I'm looking to see how pervasive this problem is. And one example out of 139 in just Freestyle alone really doesn't call to mind an epidemic.

[FAQ]

I seriously doubt that you are hoping for that with the vitriol you spout FAQ. Especially considering that most people already seem to think it has returned better than it was under Igor.--snip--

Not only do you claim to know what is in my heart, but you are claiming to have polled thousands of people to know their feelings in these matters.

I see a broken system that requires Kiki to intervene to get things done. From RC/FB accounts to reporting contri or Tit/Ass Flash. She fixes one for every ten that go unfixed.

VW has a serious trust issue to be resolved. Yet, to clear account problems, Kiki requires personal information that ought never be shared outside billing. The problems remain unresolved. Perhaps 51% or more have been successful through ordinary means, but many have simply stopped trying, and many more have simply left than pursue any other means of reinstating their old accounts. This is a process that s broken for many.

Just look at the Ass Flash Contest. It is filled with images that ought to be deemed ineligible. Yet according to Kiki, since there is no cash prize, no rules seem to apply there. That is not what she said, but that is the implication of her statement for not taking any action to clean up the Tit/Ass Flash contests to allow those that follow the rules to have their fun.

Are most happy with the current situation? Well, since most are not following the rules, you are probably right.

Tell me, exactly, how many contri must I post here that demonstrate the problem is here? If I post another one, you will claim that is not enough. Another report, and still not enough. You'll never be satisfied. You are happy with the changes.

And yet the one simple example remains. Does Diego know so few people visit the BB that it does not matter we know they do not care? Is it that he prefers leaving up stolen contri to have more contri, stolen or not. Or is it that he knows if he starts responding to the stolen and previously posted information he may not have anything near that number of contri? Or will the contri quietly be removed after being up for a few days once the number viewing it has dwindles, and most visitors to VW will never know they were getting stolen images?

But you have every right to be happy with new direction VW has taken. Others are not so pleased.

[DarknLadyJedi]

I agree VW has some serious trust issues. They recently had a long time loyal employee steal confidential information and, according to that very same long time employee, give that information, including personal information, to another web site.

But you say that the site is filled with stolen images, and when pressed to present evidence of this wide spread problem you give a single example. A single example out of 139 contributions in just a single section.

Are stolen images going to get posted on VW? Of course they are. This is a site that gets it's content from users contributing material, it doesn't get it's material by paying models to have professional shoots and then calling them amateur. As long as real amateurs are allowed to submit contributions you are going to get people who steal material that isn't theirs and try and pass it off as theirs.

But at least VW is returning to a strictly amateur setting, and getting away from the paid model system of injecting professional content that the former employee took with him.

[FAQ]

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Are stolen images going to get posted on VW? Of course they are. This is a site that gets it's content from users contributing material, it doesn't get it's material by paying models to have professional shoots and then calling them amateur. As long as real amateurs are allowed to submit contributions you are going to get people who steal material that isn't theirs and try and pass it off as theirs.

--snip--

Well duh.

The issue is how VW elects to respond to the evidence on those stolen images.

At least we now know if you complain on the BB, Kiki can scream at VW, who will get around to removing the contri. Not the proper process, but at least it finally worked. It does demonstrate how the "Report" link is useless, and how giving the thieves the ability to hide evidence is really useless.

I will not play your silly game of posting more links to this BB. It is not the proper means of doing so. VW needs to fix their broken processes.

[DarknLadyJedi]

--snip--

Are stolen images going to get posted on VW? Of course they are. This is a site that gets it's content from users contributing material, it doesn't get it's material by paying models to have professional shoots and then calling them amateur. As long as real amateurs are allowed to submit contributions you are going to get people who steal material that isn't theirs and try and pass it off as theirs.

--snip--

Well duh.

The issue is how VW elects to respond to the evidence on those stolen images.

At least we now know if you complain on the BB, Kiki can scream at VW, who will get around to removing the contri. Not the proper process, but at least it finally worked. It does demonstrate how the "Report" link is useless, and how giving the thieves the ability to hide evidence is really useless.

I will not play your silly game of posting more links to this BB. It is not the proper means of doing so. VW needs to fix their broken processes.

So, you couldn't find enough to show your epidemic huh? BTW, you may want to talk to your pal, I found 6 in about 5 minutes just using Google, 1 of those was actually from here.

[FAQ]

So, you couldn't find enough to show your epidemic huh? BTW, you may want to talk to your pal, I found 6 in about 5 minutes just using Google, 1 of those was actually from here.

You must be hard of reading, or just playing stupid. The problem with playing stupid is sometimes we cannot tell if you are playing.

I gave my reasons for not playing your silly game.

If you mean VC/Igor, send the reports. PM me the details here, and we'll see how well the upstarts do. We'll see if they respond. or if it takes a week of no action, then a posting to their BB. It would be interesting as a test to compare. Generally, little websites are hard press to remove content.

[DangerousDi]

Give it UP
It is what it is. Watch and see if your are right. Or maybe the idea was a great one.

[Superguy]

Here's one from today that is still up.

[url]http://serengibson....

[DangerousDi]

Good find Superguy.

[VWSupport]

Superguy, spoke with the contri department asking if they had gotten any reports containing that link, they told me they already removed the contri from VW. Thank you for reporting it, please continue to use the report button so we can continue ensuring this site stays amateur only.

[Superguy]

Another today. Third contri in PS.

[url]http://www.teensin....