[johnforbes]

Biden said Trump was awful and that it was dandy that Mar a Lago was raided to get some documents back.

Comes now the news that at least 10 classified documents were found laying around at the Penn Biden Center at the Univ of Pennsylvania.

Should a Mar a Lago style raid be conducted on Penn to ascertain whether any more classified documents are there?

After all, turnabout is fair play...

[sillydaddy]

"Slow Joe" Biden should be arrested, led away in cuffs, indicted, and sent to prison....

[Clownkicker]

So you're saying you think Trump should have been arrested, led away in cuffs, indicted, and sent to prison as well, dummy?



Yeah, don't we all...

[elklindo69]

Isn't it kind of weird how Joe Biden found some classified documents and he just went and voluntarily returned them without making up some cockamamie story how he declassified them, or how the FBI planted them, or lying about how he returned them before, or needing to have his vermin infested golf motel searched.

So what's that Biden up to???

[johnforbes]

Federal authorities found at Mar-a-Lago house last August.

Biden claimed that he could not understand “how anyone could be that irresponsible.”

“I thought, what data was in there that may compromise sources and methods,” In an interview with CBS, the president stated that he was proud to be President. 60 minutes. “Totally irresponsible.”

So now who is irresponsible?

[elklindo69]

It was Trump becuase he's now under investigation for obstruction and for ignoring a government subpoena. And that is irresponsible.

Biden is being responsible becuase he is cooperating and his attorneys found the documents and alerted the national archives as soon as the documents were found.

[sillydaddy]

No Clown...
What I'm saying is , if Biden doesn't get arrested ..etc. neither should Trump..

[elklindo69]

Good Lawd....finding a few classified documents and immediately returning them is the not same thing as deliberately taking a truck load of classified documents then lying about it and obstructing for over a year, so that why the FBI searched Trump's crummy rat infested golf motel..........

[johnforbes]

Hillary did much worse than ignore a subpoena.

She deleted 33 THOUSAND emails under congressional, subpoena, BleachBit-ed the server, and had staffers go buy hammers and beat to bits her multiple cell phones.

[johnforbes]

Now, it turns out that Joe left documents at another location, so all kidding aside they really should have raided to find out where all the documents were sloppily stored.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, if you any government official can convince a judge that there are more classified documents at the Penn Biden Center that people are intentionally concealing, it should absolutely be raided to get them back.

What's your point, dimwit?

Oh, since you failed law school you don't know anything about probable cause. That explains it.

[elklindo69]

The Biden administration said that the documentation was turned over the same day they were discovered, and there was no intent to conceal or hide anything. On the other hand, Trump is facing potential obstruction charges becuase the government fought Trump tooth and nail to retrieve the documentation. Then they had to execute a search warrant to retrieve the documentation that Trump had in his possession becuase he basically was not cooperating.

[Clownkicker]

Don't be silly, elklindo. You're wasting your breath. You know perfectly well the average Trump supporter is incapable of grasping such nuances in the law.

Just look at johnforbes who claims to be trained in the law at Yale and even HE can't grasp the legal differences between the two cases, suggesting that the Penn Biden Center should be raided unnecessarily and to no purpose whatsoever.

And sillydummy's grasp of the differences?..... *guffaw*


You won't believe this, but they actually let Republicans write laws and pass them. Horrifying, isn't it.

You should read about the inhumane anti-abortion law Republicans want to pass in Virginia. It's so mean-spirited, cruel, and grotesquely against the welfare of pregnant women, rape victims, and doctors that I think johnforbes Esq. must have been in on the writing of that one.

[johnforbes]

Comes now the news that additional classified documents were stored in Joe's garage, and that this info was known before the November 2022 election but concealed.

On the plus side, it is quite secure to keep documennts next to your weedwhacker in the garage.

Speaking of which, Elkin's credibility has suffered a ton of whacks over this issue.

[elklindo69]

From what I understand Trump took hundreds of classified documents from the White House to Mar De Crappo, and they were kept them in an unsecured room that was open to pretty much everybody. And the government only got those documents becuase the FBI seized them in a raid. And they had to take those measures after months of trying to get him to return them voluntarily, which Trump refused.

Biden is cooperating with the authorities as soon as they found the documents they were turned over to the proper authorities. The FBI doesn't need to raid anybody when they are willingly cooperating with them.

[johnforbes]

Obama and Bush Jr both took millions (yes) of pages of documents from the WH and stored them in warehouses in suburban strip malls, with no special security.

In the case of Joe, documents were left in incredibly insecure locations like a closet and a garage, and Hunter's laptop revealed his sordid past, so a raid actually would have been indicated to protect security.

But only Republicans get raided.

[sillydaddy]

Biden should go to prison...because he knows better....He is a career politician, unlike Trump.
10 documents...Hell...he has had decades to destroy hundreds of boxes of documents..

[Clownkicker]

Republican Sillydummy in his fantasy world court: "But I'm sorry, judge, I'm not guilty because I didn't know any better."

Judge: "Oh, well, why didn't you say so? In that case you're free to go."


And Republicans call themselves are the "law and order" guys. Criminy.

[elklindo69]

Isn't it kind of strange how Biden agreed to cooperate with the government unlike Trump?

Nor did Biden didn't melt straight the fuck down, throw a social media shit fit complaining about witch hunts and how the whole wide world is after him. Apparently Biden has nothing to hide, so what is the deal with that???

[johnforbes]

Well, that senile fellow is heading the Executive Branch so obviously he would cooperate with himself.

Clowntroller's own home, the magnificent Mar a Dumpo, should be raided too given its architectural flaws.

It was designed by Frank Lloyd Wrong, who was not exactly the Julia Morgan of his day.

[elklindo69]

Think of it this way, if Trump would have just handed over all of the documents to the proper authorities he would have been in the clear.

Instead Trump went out and complained about some deep state conspiracy about how the whole wide world was after him in an attempt to win political points when he was not even in office.

The right wing is claiming there is some kind of equivalency with Biden, and that's not true because Biden immediately turned over all of the documents.

The right wing is really proving what Trump did was wrong....

[Clownkicker]

Republicans are so stupid that they ask "When will the Biden White House be raided to look for classified documents?"

They're so incredibly stupid that they honestly don't understand that classified documents are SUPPOSED to be in the White House.

[elklindo69]

^^ Well just not only that...when you find and return classified documents and return them to the proper authorities is not the same thing as pretty much stealing them and hiding the documents and moving the documents and claiming they were planted by swamp and finding his corrupt judge to run pass interference for Trump

That's why Trump is going to be indicted.

[sillydaddy]

Biden was VP not the President at the time....He should not have had any classified docs to begin with...
Biden is guilty of treason and should be sent to federal prison for the rest of his useless life...

[johnforbes]

Every post made by Elkin constitutes an indictment of the remaining shards of his sanity.

If a raid on Mar a Lago was necessary, then finding documents strewn about in at least 3 different locations at offices and houses would form a rationale for a raid to figure out where and what all the documents are.

[Clownkicker]

"If a raid on Mar a Lago was necessary, then finding documents strewn about in at least 3 different locations at offices and houses would form a rationale for a raid..."-johnfibs

A raid at Mar-a-Lago was necessary not because there were classified documents there, but because it was KNOWN there classified documents there that Trump had refused for over a year to turn over to the government, dimwit. A raid was the only way to get them.

Biden has never refused to turn over classified documents to the government, as you know perfectly well. He has even turned documents over BEFORE the government asked for them. That's how it's done.

But you already know all this, johnny, and you are merely being your usual lying, hypocritical, partisan self.

[johnforbes]

But Bush Junior and Obama took MILLIONS of pages of documents with them.

And stored them in ordinary warehouses in suburban strip malls.

So why weren't Bush Jr and Obama raided?

[Clownkicker]

johnny, Trump was raided not because he had "documents" at Mar-a-Lago but because he had CLASSIFIED documents stored improperly at Mar-a-Lago and refused to return the under subpoena. No one even disputes that.

If you can't see the difference between quickly returning documents without resorting to a subpoena, as Biden did, and repeatedly refusing to comply with a subpoena for months, then you're a legally trained moron.

[elklindo69]

Look it's really simple.

Trump committed crimes and Biden didn't.

Trump is getting indicted Biden isn't.

All of you right wing loons can jump up and down waving your hands in the air for as long as you want...if you think I'm wrong....let's get back to this topic a year or so from now.

[johnforbes]

Given the discovery of documents at 3 different locations with a former VP who lacked declassification authority, why wouldn't a Car a Lago raid be appropriate in light of the Mar a Lago raid?

[elklindo69]

Nobody knows what car a lago is????

But Trump probably should have gotten that lawn mower boy to shred those documents.

[Clownkicker]

"Given the discovery of documents at 3 different locations with a former VP who lacked declassification authority, why wouldn't a Car a Lago raid be appropriate in light of the Mar a Lago raid?"-johnflubs

It's so simple even a moron such as yourself should be able to understand, johnny.

Biden hasn't committed any of the crimes Trump committed to get a probable cause search warrant issued against him.

You can't have a raid without a warrant, dummy. First Biden must do something like refuse to comply with a lawful subpoena multiple times, the way Trump did. And then he cold, say, commit obstruction of justice the way Trump did to warrant a search warrant.

Trust me, when Biden does any of that, he will be raided. You can relax now since Biden is never going to refuse to comply with a subpoena the way Trump did.

You're welcome, dimwit.

[elklindo69]

Johnnie....let's try this one more time.

Biden found documents that he didn't know he had and returned them to the proper authorities

Trump took documents that didn't belong to him, refused to have them returned and ignored a subpoena to have them returned and that's why the government searched his golf motel.

Now if you can't see the difference, nobody can help you.

[johnforbes]

Apparently not that simple.

This gal Romer, who was married by Obama, was eventually in some position of checking into Joe's papers vis-a-vis the Archives folks.

But was she searching those 3 locations alone and unsupervised by agents?

With Mar a Lago, there was a raid and agents supervised -- many of them.

With Car a Lago, there seemed to be far more of a need for agents to supervise and make sure everything got collected?

[Clownkicker]

johnny, why the silly posturing?

We already know you couldn't care less that classified documents are stored at someone's house with Chinese agents and minimum wage staff wandering through regularly. You've condemned the raid on Mar-a-Lago to get the documents back, saying it is partisan and unnecessary, and you've been doing nothing but making excuses for Trump this whole time that he was committing crimes and refusing to comply with lawful subpoenas.

Now you expect us to believe you think it is somehow important that there be a raid of Biden's house even though Biden is cooperating without subpoenas? What a dishonest partisan hypocrite you are.

[johnforbes]

If it is true that this lawyer (Dana Romer) was searching, surely she was not searching devoid of agent supervision?

At Mar a Lago, the place was crawling with supervising agents.

Surely we should have one system of justice for all?

In fact, isn't there a building in DC with EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER LAW written on it?

[Clownkicker]

"At Mar a Lago, the place was crawling with supervising agents.
Surely we should have one system of justice for all?"-johnflubs

We do, dummy. And when Biden starts committing crimes like refusing to comply with a subpoena for months and obstruction of justice, you can bet there will be supervising agents overseeing the raid on Biden's house too.

It's only fair that Biden be treated the same as Trump if Biden ever behaves the same as Trump.

But he isn't behaving the same as Trump, is he. Biden is freely turning over documents without Trump's incessant whining and excuses. Biden has given no probable cause to justify a warrant for a raid. And Trump could have had the same treatment if he had behaved as Biden is behaving and freely turned over all documents in his possession. But he didn't, did he.

[johnforbes]

There are now pictures of Hunter in that beautiful green 1967 Corvette, the one with 327 ci and 300 hp.

So that indicates Hunter also had potential access, and he was a crackhead, chasing the gals, and doing business in Ukraine.

Obviously, you'd want to have agents supervise Dana Romer (if that is her name) as she searched for documents.

If it took 40 agents to seach Mar a Lago when Archives knew they were in a cage in the basement with its own padlock, then a fortiori it would take the same with Car a Lago.

There should not be one standard of justice for Democrats, a lenient one, and another stricter standard for Repubs.

[Clownkicker]

Yes, dimwit, and that equal "standard of justice" means you need a probable cause warrant to search someone's home.

Why in the world are you here insisting that no warrant is needed to search someone's home?

[johnforbes]

President Biden and his top advisers kept the discovery of classified documents secret from the public for 68 days in the futile hope that it could be swept under the rug without any blowback for his presidency, according to a report.

The New York Times, citing anonymous sources familiar with internal White House deliberations, reported that Mr. Biden and a handful of advisers believed they could convince Justice Department officials that the incident was “little more than a minor, good-faith mistake.” They felt the episode was unlike former President Donald Trump, keeping a large number of classified documents at his private Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida.

The report published Friday said the Biden team’s goal “was to win the trust of Justice Department investigators and demonstrate that the president and his team were cooperating fully” — without ever telling the public. They hoped the matter “could be quietly disposed of without broader implications for Mr. Biden or his presidency.”

[Clownkicker]

Once again, johnforbes is shocked--SHOCKED---that a politician would act like a politician and try to keep embarrassing information from the public. This is not illegal, of course, since Biden was not trying to keep the information about the documents from the government, but johnforbes is OUTRAGED that a politician would want to keep an embarrassing situation from the broader public. Imagine that.

What a moron. Grow up already.

Meanwhile, johnny's damning 'smoking gun' is an article that admits Biden did the right thing by turning over the documents to Justice immediately without being forced to by a subpoena. Ooooh, how terrible!

That's what you're supposed to do, as opposed to what Trump did, lying about having unsecured classified documents in his possession and fighting the return of those documents for more than a year, forcing Justice to resort to a raid to get the documents back. Now THAT's outrageous.

Why johnforbes thinks any of this makes Biden look bad is beyond me. Biden had some documents he shouldn't have had any longer, he found them, then he returned them to the authorities. What's your problem with that, johnny? What is the crime you pretend is so terrible that it requires a raid of Biden's home?

Why in the world are you here insisting that no warrant is needed to search someone's home?

[johnforbes]

But nothing was done, reportedly, for 70 days except attempt to negotiate a coverup.

By the way, this was all the week BEFORE the November election, so hiding this info from voters was tantamount to election interference, n'est-ce pas?

[Clownkicker]

johnny, EVERY candidate controls the information they release about themselves. Every last one. Even candidate Trump.

If it's "election interference" when Biden did it, then it's absolutely "election interference" when Trump did it with everything he lied about before the election.

Imagine the "election interference" that Republican George Santos is guilty of.

Santos should be of particular interest to you, johnny, because he also denies his days as a drag queen.

[brandon]

This all seems like a big plausible deniability hustle. All of them do it, surely even Trump. They are all on the take.

[johnforbes]

Just last weekend, Joe and staffers went to the beach house at Rehoboth, which apparently has not yet been searched.

Were they looking for docs or just strolling the beach seeking to relax?

We'll never know, but I need to walk the beach and de-stress every time I read another thread of Clowntroller's tortured logic.

Heck, the average pretzel is straighter than Clown.

[elklindo69]

Trump lied about having documents.

Trump refused to comply with a subpoena.

Trump tried to hide the documents.

Trump obstructed the investigation.

This shit ain't rocket science.

[johnforbes]

Obama and Bush Jr took literally millions of pages of docs with them, and stored them in ordinary warehouses in suburban strip malls.

There has been a rocket of hypocrisy by Democrats here, as they praised the raid on Mar a Lago but did not want an equivalent raid on all the houses of senile Joe.

[elklindo69]

So they found classified documents that Trump took to some 'storage facility' in a cache they labeled...“suits and swords and wrestling belts and all sorts of things”

This is so preposterous that you can't make this stuff up.

How many classified documents is Trump still holding against a government subpoena? They found hundreds of thousands of documents!!!!

[Clownkicker]

"Biden was VP not the President at the time....He should not have had any classified docs to begin with...
Biden is guilty of treason and should be sent to federal prison for the rest of his useless life..."-sillydummy

Is anyone else surprised to hear that it's sillydummy's belief that Mike Pence is guilty of treason and that he should be sent to federal prison for the rest of his life?

This is a pretty stunning about face for a partisan tool such as silly.

[johnforbes]

We'll never know, but apparently Pence had some lawyer go through his stuff in the belief nothing would be found (and thus make Trump look bad), but his lawyer found material, put it in his car, and drove it to DC to turn in.

But, as with most of this stuff, the average citizen will never know what is really true.

The only thing we can be certain of is that Clowntroller has as serious a case of Trump Derangement Syndrome as Schiff does.