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By lumpster
#135011
Late Tuesday night, federal prosecutors filed their latest motion in the ongoing legal saga surrounding the criminal investigation into former president Donald Trump and his handling of classified information after he left office.

The searing, 36-page court filing provides the most detailed account of the monthslong interactions between Trump representatives and officials investigating how the top-secret documents came to be stored at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida and whether any more remained there.


https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/da ... -documents

I can't understand what they are waiting for. I'd arrest Trump lock him up and keep him in jail because I'd consider him a flight risk and that's how I'd justify keeping his passport also.
By Clownkicker
#135013
Don't forget the most damning evidence of obstruction:


"On June 3, Trump’s team turned over a binder containing 38 classified documents — and swore there were no more to be found.

We also learned about another meeting between government investigators and Trump’s team that occurred at Mar-a-Lago on June 3 of this year. That meeting only came after the DOJ sought a grand jury subpoena on May 11 having discovered through the FBI investigation that “dozens of additional boxes” remained there.

On June 3, three FBI agents and a DOJ attorney arrived at Mar-a-Lago and met with a Trump attorney and his custodian of records for his postpresidential office. The pair handed over a single Redweld envelope or binder that was double wrapped in tape.

They also handed over a document, reportedly signed by Trump attorney Christina Bobb in her capacity as custodian (the signature was blacked out in the unsealed court filing), in which the Trump representative certified that in response to the May 11 subpoena, a “diligent search was conducted of the boxes that were moved to the White House to Florida” and that they were handing over everything relevant they had found.

The Trump attorney told the investigators that all the documents they had found were inside a storage room at Mar-a-Lago, and “represented” that there weren’t any other records stored in offices or other rooms at the estate
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But investigators also said that “critically” the Trump attorney “expressly prohibited government personnel from opening or looking inside any of the boxes that remained in the storage room, giving no opportunity for the government to confirm that no documents with classification markings remained.”-Buzzfeed


And then on August 8th the FBI raided Mar-a-Lago and got another 15 boxes of more than 100 classified documents that Trump had lied about not having.


"Officials believe Trump’s team misled them and has not been cooperating.

The DOJ makes it crystal clear in the filing that they think they have been lied to — and this is where things get potentially very bad not just for Trump, but also for his team and lawyers.

Prosecutors contend that the location where the FBI agents found the additional documents — in the storage room and Trump’s office — as well as the large number of documents discovered disproves the Trump team’s sworn claim that they had conducted a “diligent search” and were handing over everything.

“The [FBI] search cast serious doubt on the claim in the certification (and now in the [Trump motion for a special master]) that there had been ‘a diligent search’ for records responsive to the grand jury subpoena,” the DOJ officials wrote.

The DOJ even notes that some of the recovered documents, as evidenced in the photograph that was shared, even featured colored cover sheets that clearly indicated they were classified, so they could not have been hard to miss.

“That the FBI, in a matter of hours, recovered twice as many documents with classification markings as the ‘diligent search’ that the former President’s counsel and other representatives had weeks to perform calls into serious question the representations made in the June 3 certification and casts doubt on the extent of cooperation in this matter,” the DOJ added."-Buzzfeed
By johnforbes
#135016
Before Clowntoker is locked up for Trump Derangement Syndrome, let's ponder a few facts.

1) The Presidential Records Act is not a criminal statute. It has no fines, no jail time.

2) If there is a specific statute, that applies -- not the general one.

3) Any president is the ultimate declassification authority, and his order to declassify need not be in writing.

4) This is all about attempting to disqualify Trump from being the 2024 nominee.
By Clownkicker
#135022
Before Dishonestjohn is locked up for bending over and willingly getting his ass reamed by Trump, let's ponder a few facts.

1) The Presidential Records Act is not a criminal statute. It has no fines, no jail time. That's why the search warrant wasn't based at all on the Presidential Records Act. It is irrelevant to the search beyond the desire to get back records that belong to the American people, not to Trump.

2) If there is a specific statute, that applies -- not the general one. Again, that is why only specific criminal statutes were mentioned in the warrant and a Trump-appointed judge agreed.

3) Any president is the ultimate declassification authority, and his order to declassify need not be in writing. But it must at least be told to his chiefs of staff, the White House attorney, and other White House staff so that it is known such a standing order exists, but it didn't. There is no evidence of one anywhere. But most of all that has nothing whatsoever to do with the search warrant a Trump appointee signed to search Mar-a-Lago. Knowing how to use a shovel the way he does, johnforbes is trying to bury us in horse shit instead of addressing the crimes committed by Trump and his team.

4) This isn't all about attempting to disqualify Trump from being the 2024 nominee. johnfibs simply made that up without a shred of evidence to support his lie. What is IS all about enforcing the law and protecting America's security.

There, fixed it for you, dummy.
By johnforbes
#135034
Exactly, the search warrant had to be based on something general which was not applicable.

Presidential Records Act is not a criminal statute. It has no fines, no jail time.

The magistrate hated Trump, and retweeted anti-Trump material. He recused himself for political bias just 2 months ago.

That aside, they should have gone to an Article III judge for the extraordinary step of raiding a former president's home and making the US look like a Banana Republic.

It is true that any president is the ultimate declassification authority, and his order to declassify need not be in writing.

Kash Patel et al. have confirmed that that transpired.

Of course, a raid 3 months before an election is political.

Particularly when an easy solution such as subpoena duces tecum was available.

Even the folks who did it acknowledged their duty to take the least intrusive step.

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