[johnforbes]

?A new Harvard study throws cold water on characterizing the breaching of the Capitol by rioters on Jan. 6, 2021, as an “insurrection.”

According to the study conducted by the Harvard Kennedy School’s Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy, more than 40 percent of rioters were motivated by former President Donald Trump’s claims the 2020 presidential election was stolen from him, as well as a desire to see him re-elected.

According to The Harvard Crimson, researchers found that 20.6 percent of rioters were motivated by wanting to support Trump, while another 20.6 percent of rioters cited Trump’s election claims as the reason they stormed the U.S. Capitol more than 18 months ago in a bid to thwart certification of now-President Joe Biden’s election.

Less than percent were motivated by a “desire to start a civil war or an armed revolution,” the Crimson reported.

[Clownkicker]

Everything you posted supports the fact that the rioters were trying to violently overthrow the government because they wanted Trump to illegally stay in office despite certified election results in every state, you moron.

Anyone who refused to accept the certified election results and used violence to attempt to overturn the election were insurrectionists by definition, dimwit.

You can't just 'define' your way out of this one, johnny, just as you can't simply ignore that Trump did nothing to stop the rioting, watching it all on TV for three hours, in a gross dereliction of duty. it happened. No desperate hair splitting you post will change that fact.

But it was good of you to shoot yourself in the foot again by posting even more evidence for the insurrection by Trump supporters.

[johnforbes]

Everything I posted supports some facts:

1) I am not Harvard.

2) Harvard is a once-prestigious educational institution which is now a sinkhole of leftist ideology.

3) Harvard did a study

4) Harvard found what it found

5) Mr Forbes is a gentleman and a scholar

[Clownkicker]

Yes, Harvard found what it found, that the Jan. 6 Capitol riot was indeed an insurrection. It says so right in the statistics.

20.6% were rioting because they supported keeping Trump in office against all certified election results. Another 20.6% were rioting because they wanted to overturn the certified election results and keep the loser in office against all U.S. law.

And the most important part that you mysteriously left out of your dishonest post was that nearly 8% were rioting because they wanted to start a civil war. You purposely removed this number from your dishonest post because you knew it proved the Jan. 6 riot was indeed an insurrection.

Thanks for letting us all know this, johnny. It's important that Republicans, especially Trump supporters, realize this.

[johnforbes]

Hillary contended ever since 2016 that she was robbed.

Stacey Abrams said she won in 2018.

Still, Clowntroller has gotten a lot of benefit from her fitness video, "Stacey's Guide to Flat Abs."

[Clownkicker]

"Hillary contended ever since 2016 that she was robbed."-Dishonestjohn

And yet she publicly conceded her loss and never once sent a mob to the Capitol to overthrow the election, dimwit.


"Stacey Abrams said she won in 2018."-johnflubs

And yet she conceded her loss and never sent a mob to her State capitol to overthrow the election.


Do you see a pattern about the proper behavior when you lose an election, dimwit. Say whatever you want about it, but publicly concede the election and accept a peaceful transfer of power. Trump has never done that. He's still out riling up another mob and destroying faith in our election system.

[johnforbes]

Actually not.

One of the best sources on the reasons not to concede the election was Bill Clinton himself.

And, as provided previously, Bill's fellow Democrat Van Jones -- like Bill, a Yale Law grad -- produced one of the best videos on what could unfold in a close election where one candidate did not concede.

[Clownkicker]

Another dishonest distraction from johnfibs.

Yes, actually so. Trump has not conceded despite being told by every Republican official who looked into the election that all told him there was no evidence of widespread fraud and that Biden won legitimately.

You don't get to say "Actually not." about Trump when he actually did, to this day, fail to concede his loss and actively chose to stop the peaceful transfer of power. And to do this he sat for three hours watching the riot on TV instead of taking any steps at all to protect the Capitol, Senators, Representatives, staff, and police, not to mention his own Vice President whom he intentionally set the violent mob against.

When you are willing to address this gross dereliction of duty by Trump and his failure to insure the peaceful transfer of power, then you can get back to us, dimwit.

[johnforbes]

Hillary failed to concede, and Bill Clinton (plus Van on the video) gave the explanation why.

Trump also didn't.

[Clownkicker]

"Hillary failed to concede,..."

^^^^^^^ Another purely partisan lie from johnfibs.

And here's proof he is lying:
(start at time stamp 8:15 to 8:45.)
https://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/50142524 ... nald-trump

Now, in the face of this indisputable evidence, will johnforbes admit he is wrong about this, that he fell for his handlers' dishonest partisan propaganda, and that Trump is in fact the only U.S. Presidential candidate that has refused to concede his loss? Let's all hold our breaths, shall we? Surely we can count on the integrity and honesty of johnforbes......

[johnforbes]

Years later, Hillary was claiming the 2016 election had been stolen from her, and Bill advised her (quite sensibly) not to formally concede.

Unless Clown can furnish some formal written document to prove his argument, the estemed staffers for Mr. Forbes will hve to conclude that watching a video with Hillary's crazy eyes will not suffice.

[Clownkicker]

It's always sad to see that someone you thought had at least a shred of integrity doesn't in fact have any.

johnforbes can see it with his own two eyes and then he lies about it again (just like Trump.)

It's easy to see why johnforbes supports a cowardly liar and con man to run his country.

To johnforbes, that allows him to fantasize that even someone just like him can make something of their pathetic, dishonest life.

Fuck his country, as long as he can avoid facing the sad reality that is his dishonest, useless life.

[johnforbes]

You are missing the point.

Politicians, of whatever stripe, say many things on TV.

Whether they take formal steps consistent with such statements is the test, and in that regard she did not.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, you are missing the point.

You witnessed Hillary concede the loss on national news coverage with your own eyes.

Then you still pretended that she didn't concede after you just watched her concede on a national news program.

That makes you a lying sack of partisan shit.


Meanwhile, Trump has still not conceded his loss, which seriously damages our democracy.

But because you are a partisan douche bag, you don't care that he is damaging our democracy.

[johnforbes]

Come on, man.

You can understand the point here.

Politicians, of every stripe, will say many things on TV.

Schiff lied for years saying he had evidence of Trump-Russia collusion, but under oath sang a different tune.

[Clownkicker]

Come on, man.

You can understand the point here.

It isn't about what Trump says.

It's about what Trump HASN'T said, which is that Hillary won.

And he should have congratulated her out of respect for our Constitution, like any other civilized person on the planet would do.

Then, after having performed his obligation to this great country, he can go about his life whining and bitching and moaning all he wants.


"Schiff lied for years saying he had evidence of Trump-Russia collusion, but under oath sang a different tune."-johnfoibles

So that somehow justifies your condoning and supporting Trump's lying?

Criminy, what a vile, corrupt scumbag you are.

[johnforbes]

Come on, Clown.

Complaining about what people have not said?

Clowntroller has never said that raising taxes amid a recession is very dumb, yet that is what his Democrats are going to do perhaps today.

[Clownkicker]

"Come on, Your Lordship. Complaining about what people have not said?"-johnflubs

Yes, absolutely, when what they didn't say is the glue that holds our democracy together. What they didn't say matters profoundly, dummy.

Concession after an election loss is the only thing stopping another civil war. Trump still hasn't given his concession speech and you see what it is doing to the country. January 6th was just a preview.

[johnforbes]

Hillary claimed many years later that she was cheated.

We don't have a pure democracy, of course.

As to the glue which holds any country together, the Democrats favor not unity but diversity -- the things which divide us.

But, if Clown is contending America now is badly in need of some social glue rather than more division, I agree.

[Clownkicker]

"Hillary claimed many years later that she was cheated."-johnflubs

But she conceded her loss, which Trump hasn't to this day. You clowns are STILL calling Biden "illegitimate" and thus he's tearing the country apart.


"We don't have a pure democracy, of course."-johnfoibles

No, but we have a democracy, as I said. What I said is correct in the context used, but you always feel compelled to distract from the truth because the truth makes you look like an idiot.



"As to the glue which holds any country together, the Democrats favor not unity but diversity -- the things which divide us."-johnfibs

Of course, diversity and unity are not mutually exclusive. It built this country into the greatness Republicans say they want to 'bring back.' Diversity is what made this country great.


Now, see how successful johnfibs has been distracting and diverting from his initial lie about what the Harvard report said? It's what he does.

[johnforbes]

Man is born free, yet everywhere he is in chains.

Thus spake Rousseau, and it remains true with respect to deluded ideologues like Clown.

[Clownkicker]

So you've got nothin' but personal attacks, eh johnny?

As always when Dishonestjohn realizes he has made a fool of himself again.

[johnforbes]

Citing Rousseau -- and making a philosophical point about the human dilemma in this vale of tears -- is hardly an attack on anybody.

[Clownkicker]

"Thus spake Rousseau, and it remains true with respect to deluded ideologues like Clown."-johnfibs

^^^^^ THAT is a personal attack, dimwit. It is not a "philosophical point."

Nor is it relevant to the topic which you lied about initially.

But as always, when you are caught lying, you next turn to impotent personal attacks because it's all you have being an effete intellectual pussy.

[johnforbes]

No, I was inviting attention to Rousseau.

Even a delusional lunatic such as Clowntroller should realize that I was being neutral and objective in simply noting Clown's obvious delusions.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, to this day you have been unable to demonstrate that a single one of my posts is delusional. You just yammer a lot and make personal attacks.

Unlike you, I regularly back up my posts with evidence from authoritative sources. You are unable to ever back up any of your posts with evidence from any sources, let alone authoritative sources, which makes every last one of your posts obviously delusional.

[johnforbes]

Many times, I've urged Clown to flatten the curve and avoid orgies while he celebrates Gay Pride Month.

Avoid Monkeypox!

[Clownkicker]

^^^^^^^ Another example of johnforbes' endless string of delusional posts.

[johnforbes]

Poleaxed by Clowntroller's plebian pretense of punditry, the forum's staff scientists conduced a forensic EEG of Clown's postings.

The interpretation was: "No brain wave activity discerned. Individual may be a socialist."

Follow the science!