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By johnforbes
#131837
Joe has given the Taliban access to:

$85 billion worth of American military equipment and the biometric data of the Afghans who have assisted soldiers over the past 20 years.

75,000 vehicles0 airplanes, 208 helicopters, and 600,000 small arms and light weapons,
By Clownkicker
#131843
So why didn't Trump move any of that stuff out when he had four years to do it but he left Biden with four months to do it, johnny?

Do you honestly believe it could have all been moved out by May 31st which was Trump's negotiated deadline?

Why didn't Trump do anything about it, johnny?

Go ahead. Before you point your finger at the next guy left holding Trump's shit storm, answer that about the guy who made the agreement to leave, announced a deadline for leaving which allowed the Taliban to prepare for rapid movement to take over the country, released 5000 fighters from prison, and reduced protective troop levels to an inadequate 2500 which obviously wasn't enough to slow the Taliban because Biden had to ship in 5000 more just to leave the country.

What was Trump thinking?
By sillydaddy
#131847
The troops needed that equipment, they were supposed to be the last to go after everyone else evacuated...
Joe took the troops out first and left everyone else behind...the idiot..! Then he had to bring the troops back
and the rest now is the cluster fuck of all cluster fucks...
By Clownkicker
#131848
"The troops needed that equipment,..."-sillydummy

Here's your typical Trump supporter who believes 2,500 troops "need" $83 billion in military hardware to do their job.
That's a pretty piss poor army Trump built. It takes $33 million to field a single soldier.

On January 15th Trump had reduced troop levels to 2,500 and left four months for the 2,500 troops to evacuate $83 billion worth. sillydummy actually believes that's possible to do.


"Joe took the troops out first and left everyone else behind..."sillyliar

"Joe" didn't take out ANY troops, numbnuts. He ADDED 5000 troops because there weren't enough left to handle the evacuation of Americans Trump had left behind.
On January 15th--this is while Trump was still in office, dummy, before Biden was sworn in--there were only 2,500 American troops in Afghanistan. That's what Biden was handed by Trump--a guaranteed cluster fuck.

Trump is the one who "took the troops out and left everyone else behind," you imbecile.
By johnforbes
#131850
Clown, you can't spin this one.

This is a monumental mistake by Biden, and he did it solely to make a speech on Sept 11.

You do NOT leave Americans, translators, and 85 billion in arms behind.
By johnforbes
#131908
So Elkin, you favor gun control here in America, but you have no criticism for Senile Joe leaving behind 90 BILLION in sophisticated arms, including 600,000 light weapons, in the hands of the Taliban, ISIS, and AQ?
By elklindo69
#131938
Unfortunately, some of these numbers are wildly off the mark and misrepresent the nature of the threat. These figures mistakenly count every dollar of U.S. military aid over its 20-year war as having gone to equipment and every piece of equipment transferred to the Afghan military during that time as being in the hands of the Taliban and functional today.

But over half of that roughly $80 billion went to ephemeral items like salaries for Afghan military personnel and contractors, uniforms, ammunition and fuel that was long ago spent, as well as infrastructure projects, operations and training costs. FactCheck.org calculated that equipment purchases since 2001 account for only about $18 billion.

Yet even that number is misleading. Much of the material was lost in combat — up to 100 vehicles per week at some points — or was retired from service. In addition, a very large share of U.S. military aid (particularly small arms) was allegedly pilfered by corrupt Afghan officials allied with the U.S. for sale on the black market.

Of course, even a fraction of the $80-odd billion total still adds up to a lot of hardware. But it’s important to remember that Washington armed the Afghan military to fight the Taliban, not other countries. That means the U.S. didn’t supply things like jet fighters, tanks or tactical ballistic and anti-aircraft missiles that could be aimed at other countries or international airliners for terrorist attacks.

In fact, except for some artillery donated by Turkey, nearly all of the Afghan army’s heavy weapons — tanks, howitzers, multiple-rocket launchers and so forth — came not from the U.S. but are rather Soviet-era weapons left over from the Soviet-Afghan war in the 1980s.

What the U.S. did give the Afghan National Army were hundreds of armored personnel carriers and tens of thousands of trucks and mine-resistant ambush-protected vehicles, or MRAPs, designed to give passengers better odds of surviving Taliban ambushes. These vehicles are still readily usable by Taliban fighters, and they may find them effective for moving troops within Afghanistan and confronting local opposition forces — but not neighboring governments in a conventional war.

The Afghan air force, too, was entirely equipped for fighting the Taliban with slow, small planes rather than with fast jet fighters and bombers and armored attack helicopters. According to a report in July by the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, the force counted 167 aircraft in flyable condition in the country, with all the helicopter types dating to the 1980s or earlier. (However, this count omits helicopters and around 20 PC-12 spy planes operated by the Special Mission Wing of the Afghan army.)

This inventory was then significantly reduced when the Taliban took over, with Afghan pilots flying around 50 to neighboring Tajikistan and Uzbekistan ahead of time. U.S. forces also “demilitarized” 73 aircraft left behind at Kabul International Airport, sabotaging them so extensively that the Taliban felt “angry and betrayed.”

The Taliban did capture some intact U.S.-built aircraft elsewhere in Afghanistan. And by cannibalizing parts and perhaps forcing U.S.-trained pilots and technicians who didn’t manage to flee the country to staff them, the Taliban will undoubtedly be able to get some U.S.-built aircraft off the ground, like the Black Hawk helicopter recorded flying over Kandahar, allegedly controlled by a former Afghan air force pilot.

ut without proper maintenance and training, these aircraft will be usable only for basic transport duties and delivering unguided weapons. They mostly lack precision-guided bombs and rockets, as the Afghan air force was reported to be running out of these U.S.-supplied weapons a month before the pullout last month. And realistically, combat aircraft require highly trained crew and abundant spare parts to remain operational. For instance, even with the extensive assistance from the U.S., the Afghan air force struggled to maintain its aircraft and suffered shortages of qualified personnel.

Rather than aircraft or MRAPs, arguably the biggest international threat will come from 600,000 small arms and other infantry equipment, like night-vision goggles and body armor, some of which are now in Taliban hands. Some of these arms will disseminate through smuggling networks, potentially fueling violent conflict in neighboring Central Asian states.

The Taliban will surely sell some captured military equipment abroad, as well. But the big question remains whether the Afghan Taliban will actively foment insurgency abroad and host would-be revolutionaries, as it did with Al Qaeda. Unlike the Islamic State terrorist group, better known as ISIS, the Taliban today are at least ostensibly focused on governing Afghanistan, not global jihadism. And aiding and abetting these external terrorist organizations is what led to their overthrow by the U.S. in the first place.

It’s also a mistake to characterize these spoils as a technological windfall for China, Iran and Russia, even though they are, indeed, likely to seek to acquire some of the abandoned U.S. equipment, such as aircraft-mounted sensors and communication systems. These aren’t truly valuable secrets, however, as China, Iran and Russia have mostly developed such technologies domestically or had acquired them already during the U.S. occupation. Iran, for one, is likely to already have had access to Humvees via Shia militias in Iraq.

If America’s failed war against the Taliban teaches us anything, it’s a reminder that piles of military hardware can be rendered impotent by human factors, such as lacking the will to fight, familiarity with local culture and politics and belief in the legitimacy of one’s cause. Rather than bemoan the loss of Humvees and old helicopters, we should ponder why the U.S. failed so utterly to address the human factors that led many Afghans to lose faith in the U.S.-backed government, paving the way for the Taliban to take over their territory and arms.
By johnforbes
#131940
I'd love to be mistaken on this, but isn't it true that SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND LIGHT WEAPONS are now in the hands of terrorists?

Grenades, helicopters, M4s, good people will die because of the moronic actions of Austin, Milley, Blinken, Suffivan, et al.
By johnforbes
#132001
Well, because that is what the equipment lists said.

Surely you've heard of TOE?

It is true that the Pentagon has been busily deleting lists of the roughly 83 BILLION dollars of equipment left behind, in an apparent effort to limit the public relations damage.

Obama's CIR director said the Afhan disaster inspired terrorists the world over, but -- worse -- the US armed them with SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND light weapons.

Good people will die as a consequence of the enormous incompetence of Milley, Austin, Kirby, Blinken, Sulllivan
By elklindo69
#132042
So you are saying that the equipment lists which were deleted by the government said that "SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND LIGHT WEAPONS are now in the hands of terrorists?"

Even if this bullshit was true they probably would have sold any arms or equipment to get cash.

I'd like to see a Taliban that Trump released fly a Blackhawk helicopter....lol
By johnforbes
#132064
Pay attention, Elkin.

They washed those numbers off web sites to make them less conspicuous, but surely you know the military lives on paperwork.

The figuer of 600,000 light weapons was what the Pentagon said were still on the books there, as part of the 83 billion in arms left in the hands of terrorists.

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