[johnforbes]

...said Monday that 2-3 studies had shown asymptomatic covid was not readily spread to others.

Thus, lockdowns were pointless.

Then today she walked it back.

Thoughts?

[Clownkicker]

So you're saying the ongoing data collection and science changed someone's opinion?

Shocking! Unbelievable! What sort of mysterious witchcraft is this?!



"Thus, lockdowns were pointless."-johnfibs

You made it up, johnny. She never said that. Your egregiously faulty logic drew that ignorant conclusion.

[johnforbes]

You misunderstood.

She didn't say that, but that would be the logical conclusion to be drawn from the 3 studies which showed covid was NOT readily transferred to new people.

That was the sole reason to lock down.

What studies prove covid was quickly transmitted to new people?

So far, none.

[Clownkicker]

Geezus, johnny, that wasn't "the sole reason" for stay at home orders.

You made it up, just like every nonsensical faulty-logic conclusion you keep drawing.

The stay at home orders were not pointless. They worked, in every country they were put in place. And when they are abandoned by Republicans, there will be a big spike in infections and deaths, and the medical system could still be overwhelmed.


"What studies prove covid was quickly transmitted to new people?"-johnflubs

Criminy, johnny, YOU are the dimwit that was saying there are many more infected with the virus than we know about since Trump has not pushed for widespread testing. Thus, it must be moving quickly, according to YOU, dummy. We don't need a "study" to tell us that.

All we need is widespread testing, which you still haven't insisted Trump organize. Widespread testing would tell us exactly how fast it's moving. But it is already clear to the entire world that COVID-19 is much more infectious than seasonal flu.

[johnforbes]

Other than the potential to spread the virus, why the lockdowns?

Everybody who ever got a cold or the flu was already told to stay home, get well, and not infect others.

Clown's remarks make no sense.

[Clownkicker]

"Other than the potential to spread the virus, why the lockdowns?"-johnfibs

"the potential to spread the virus" IS the reason for stay at home orders, dimwit, but that's not what you said, is it.

You said "...said Monday that 2-3 studies had shown asymptomatic covid was not readily spread to others." You really need to look up the word "asymptomatic". They are only some of the infected. The rest are highly infectious.

SYMPTOMATIC people readily spread the virus. That's undisputed, and the stay at home orders were to keep symptomatic people from transmitting infection to "new people".


"What studies prove covid was quickly transmitted to new people?"-johndimwit

johnny, you don't need a "study" to show the virus is "quickly transmitted to new people."

All you have to do is look at the numbers over time. You have an outbreak in December, and six months later we have over 7 million cases "transmitted to new people". And that's just the verified cases. The real numbers of infected are likely much higher, just as you have been saying. (They had better be. Otherwise it means the mortality rate is over 5% worldwide.)

[johnforbes]

Lord, man, do you really people who got colds/flu 50 years ago didn't stay home?

These lockdowns were premised on covid-19 being very rapidly spread from people who did not know they were sick.

As Biden would say, "Come on, man"...

[Clownkicker]

"These lockdowns were premised on covid-19 being very rapidly spread from people who did not know they were sick."-johnfibs

No, they weren't. You made that up.

regardless, people with colds and flu currently DON'T stay home, do they, johnny. People spread them both all over the place, and transmit them to new people quickly. But colds and flu are generally a known quantity.

COVID-19 is still an unknown quantity. No one yet knows how lethal it is, though it is known to spread much more easily than regular flu. Thus, you must always err on the side of caution. You don't wait for some "study" to tell you it's dangerous when hundreds of thousands of people have already died of it in six months.

But if, being a dimwit, you need a study before you act on the obvious, then why hasn't Trump made sure one was done? Doesn't he listen to his pandemic advisors?

Come on, man.

[johnforbes]

Of course they do, and always have.

If the three studies cited by Dr Kerkove are correct, then the lockdowns will have been shown to have been pointless.

Further studies have also shown that Dr Daniel Erikson (censored off YouTube) was correct.

[elklindo69]

Johnnie....what is it with you and your nonsensical and debunked quack doctors?

Respiratory diseases (coronavirus) are spread when an uninfected person inhales aerosolized particulate matter from an infected person, that's a scientifically proven and accepted fact.

Therefore the most effective way to inhibit the transmission of the disease is social distancing?

What's the dispute here?

[johnforbes]

Quack.

She is a leading infectious disease expert for the WHO.

You know, the Left Wing's favorite health entity.

What studies show covid-19 rapidly transmitted from asymptomatic people to others?

None.

If you have such a study, please post it.

[Clownkicker]

Again, dimwit, the stay at home orders were to prevent spread by symptomatic people.

You know, people with coughs, shortness of breath, muscle or body aches, headaches, sore throats, congestion or runny noses...you know, all those things that half the people around you have and are still out and about spreading illness daily, whether colds or something else.

Stop your idiotic droning on about "asymptomatic people" that were not the reason for the stay at home orders.
Nobody cited those three studies as the reason for stay at home orders. You're making it up.

[johnforbes]

Not at all.

A person with a cold, or the flu, or covid, would stay home anyhow.

I'm correct and that is why Dr Maria had to walk back her statement -- everybody realized the lockdowns were stupid.

[Clownkicker]

"A person with a cold, or the flu, or covid, would stay home anyhow."-johnfibs

Criminy, johnforbes actually said people with coughs, shortness of breath, muscle or body aches, headaches, sore throats, congestion or runny noses all stay home. He's actually pretending he has never encountered any such people over the course of his life and that he has the gall to lie about never having had a cold in his life.

That's how stupid and dishonest Trump supporters are.

But notice he couldn't produce a single health official or governor who cited those three studies as the reason for stay at home orders. Not a single one.

Yet he still tries to project his made up partisan talking point onto a reality which says he's full of shit.

Sorry, johnny, reality has spoken. You're still a lying partisan piece of shit.

[johnforbes]

People with a serious cold, or bad flu, always remained home.

Nothing new there.

And, when covid came along, that would even be more true for any rational person.

Yes, it is doubtless true that many of Clownslacker's friends are mentally ill, but the point holds.

[Clownkicker]

We aren't talking about people with "serious" colds or "bad" flu, dimwit. We're talking about people with colds or flu. You know, people who have coughs, shortness of breath, muscle or body aches, headaches, sore throats, congestion or runny noses, they take some Nyquil, and head off to work each day.

We're talking about the real world where half the people live paycheck to paycheck and go in to work coughing, sneezing, and blowing their noses as long as they are still ambulatory.

Stop making up stupid shit that even a guy like RealTool recognizes as made up stupid shit.

[johnforbes]

Under normal conditions, I would hasten to concur.

But there was worldwide publicity about covid.

Symptomatic people were NOT going to work.

[Clownkicker]

johnny, Trump supporters don't even believe it's real. They think it's a Democrat hoax.

And thousands of them ARE going out without masks right now despite the stay at home orders. Unsurprisingly, Texas, Utah, Ohio, and Florida (all Republican-led states) are seeing big spikes in their COVID cases right now because they lifted the stay at home orders last month--way too soon. Obviously SOMEBODY is going out with sneezes and coughs and runny noses, so that puts the lie to your silly premise. A number of closed-down slaughter houses back me up on this. They absolutely ARE going to work with 'colds'. That, or they are spreading COVID while asymptomatic. Take your pick, johnny.

I've seen some of you Trump clowns go so far as to insult and ridicule those wearing masks in public. You are going to sit there and tell us that millions of Republicans stay at home with a cold? Even YOU think it's a hoax and go out to weenie roasts with your dimwitted friends.

[johnforbes]

Thousands upon thousands of leftists went out to loot and pillage American towns.

They did not maintain distance as they stole tennis shoes and burned stores.

Where was the covid concern when Governor Whitmer of Michigan and Gov Wolf of PA marched right next to Black Lives Matter protesters when the truth is all lives matter?

[Clownkicker]

So you prove my point and then try to say I'm wrong?

I don't think you understand how this is supposed to work, johnny.

You look pretty silly making my points for me while making a fool of yourself at the same time.

[johnforbes]

In a typical winter, Clown is absolutely right that workers who need the pay have a cold but continue to work.

We all know that is true -- that people should remain home, but don't.

2020 was vastly different, with a global pandemic and oceans of media attention to the need to remain home if symptomatic.

[elklindo69]

Trump is forcing all attendees of his Tulsa hatefest rally to sign a waiver freeing him of liability if they die of stupid.

Let's see how many sign up.....

[johnforbes]

This fine forum should require a waiver from Elkin promising that the contact won't leave them in a state of constant panic regarding a coronavirus where every study has shown widening asymptomatic spread, thus driving the mortality rate to about that of a regular bad flu season.