[johnforbes]

Thoughts?

[RealJustme]

The fact that so many women have been willing to lie, just to damage men for political reasons...I, like most Americans, no longer give women credibility unless they can produce real evidence. Democrats built that.

[johnforbes]

They sure did build it.

But, by the standards established by Democrats, their new hero Sondland now stands in disgrace.

[sillydaddy]

liberals say women must be believed...
Demos say star witness must be believed...

dilemma, dilemma , dilemma

[Clownkicker]

Conservatives say women shouldn't be believed...
Republicans say star witnesses must not be believed...
They all pretty much believe that no one should be believed. Not our military. Not our career diplomats who have served for decades under both Republican a Democrat administrations. Not our intelligence services. Not the FBI. Not any news services. There isn't anyone in the U.S. they will believe, let alone that they will believe over Trump.

Republicans think only Trump must be believed at all times for some reason when every last one of them knows Trump is likely a pathological liar.

Why won't they believe ANYONE but Trump? They seem to think everyone in America is a liar but Trump. It's just bizarre. A serial adulterer whose wedding vows meant nothing to him over and over, a braggart about assaulting women by grabbing their genitals, someone who has gone bankrupt six times, someone who claims to hire "the best people" and yet can't seem to keep one employed for more than a few months before firing them saying he doesn't know them (when he does) or never met them (when he did) or they are put in prison, someone who conducts a shadow foreign policy to evade oversight by Congress, someone who claimed Obama wasn't born in the U.S., and on and on and on.

We have several of these dimwits with us here, living in denial of reality every day. It's tragic.

[sillydaddy]

Why won't they believe ANYONE but Trump?

[elklindo69]

Trump isn't the dumbest person alive as long as there is one person dumb enough to believe a word he says.....

[johnforbes]

Sondland is certainly entitled to his "presumption" that there was a quid pro quo.

But that is not evidence, and he admitted Trump specifically told him he did NOT want a quid pro quo.

That aside, this entire Democrat argument is nonsense because almost every successful diplomatic effort in human history has involved attempted quid pro quos.

Sure, we all have to concede that young Elkin is too ignorant of history to realize that, but it remains true.

[Clownkicker]

"Sondland is certainly entitled to his "presumption" that there was a quid pro quo.
But that is not evidence, and he admitted Trump specifically told him he did NOT want a quid pro quo."-johnfibs

But that was not until after Trump was outed by the whistleblower. Until then, Sondland, and Giuliani and everyone else in the shadow government was operating on that "presumption" and were reporting to Trump about the progress being made. Trump did not "correct" any of their "presumptions". And later Trump admitted to reporters on the White House lawn that his aim in making the call was to get an investigation into the Bidens. Trump said so himself on October 3.


"That aside, this entire Democrat argument is nonsense because almost every successful diplomatic effort in human history has involved attempted quid pro quos."-johnflubs

And now we see johnforbes trying to cover his ass and essentially admitting there was a quid pro quo after insisting there was "no quid and no quo" as his handlers had instructed him to do previously. He's flailing about trying to make the quid pro quo appear perfectly fine and normal, except Trump traded U.S. security and U.S. interests for personal political gain, and that's a crime, johnny.

Well, not a crime to Republicans, of course, but it is still against the law whether they like it or not. They would trade away their own mothers for money and an election win and still sleep like babies. Why should their country be any more important to them?

[johnforbes]

There was no real "whistleblower."

Ciaramella coordinate with Schiff's staff, and they were flying to Ukraine in a frantic effort to attack Trump.

Ciaramella worked for Brennan and Biden, both of whom loathe Trump.

This was just a kid of 33, a soy boy, who hated Trump and was looking with Schiff to attack.

And there was nothing wrong with the Ukraine call.

And ALL diplomacy is an effort to trade favors anyhow -- all through history.

[Clownkicker]

^^^^^^^ Again, johnforbes checks in to show us just how pervasive dangerous self-delusion is among Republicans.

A whistleblower is a whistleblower. You can call him whatever you like, but it doesn't change the fact that everything he said was shown to be true, and even Trump helped to prove it by releasing the transcript of the call the whistleblower blew the whistle on.

[sillydaddy]

Well Clown, if what you are saying is the Demos have all the evidence needed to impeach ....then
why do they still want to speak to "all the President's men "...?

[Clownkicker]

No, that is not what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is: A whistleblower is a whistleblower. You can call him whatever you like, but it doesn't change the fact that everything he said was shown to be true, and even Trump helped to prove it by releasing the transcript of the call the whistleblower blew the whistle on.

Which explains why johnforbes is full of shit.
That you can't understand it is not surprising. There isn't a Trump supporter here who speaks English above a sixth grade level.

As to your disingenuous (that means "phony" by the way) question, the reason you want to hear from ALL the witnesses is so that morons like you can't yammer on about how Trump was railroaded in a partisan manner. When you hear about what Trump did from those closest to him, even a partisan dimwit like you can't pretend any longer that impeachable crimes weren't committed.

[RealJustme]

Conservatives say women shouldn't be believed...

Conservatives know that a person's sex doesn't determine credibility.

[Clownkicker]

Exactly, and since you DON'T believe any women, then you also don't believe any men.

Like I said, you only believe Trump, despite the fact you know without any doubt that he's a liar.

[johnforbes]

Ciaramella was NOT covered by the whistleblower statute, and he coordinate with Schiff's staff.

Schiff's staff was itself flying to Ukraine to orchestrate the dirt-digging against Trump, so this was NEVER a legit or nonpartisan query.

However, Clown appears to be a partisan queer-y...