[snakeoil]

https://morningconsult.com/opinions/ren ... -new-deal/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There has been much talk (although, much of it is negative and misinformed) on The Green New Deal. Here are some informed opinions on the deal.

These factors position the renewable sector for continued dramatic growth. A survey of the nation’s biggest renewable energy investors undertaken last spring by the American Council on Renewable Energy affirms the continuing attractiveness of clean energy investment. Based on the survey results, ACORE last summer launched $1T/2030 — a campaign to promote the investment of a trillion private sector dollars in U.S. renewable energy and the enabling grid technologies between 2018 and 2030, roughly double ACORE’s business-as-usual projection.

America’s renewable energy future — and the $1 trillion investment needed to catalyze it — is realistically achievable through common-sense policies and market steps to accelerate renewable growth. Among the key steps identified in ACORE’s Pathway to $1T are measures to upgrade our antiquated grid, allow for large-scale deployment of energy storage technologies, and create a level playing field in the electricity marketplace that fairly recognizes the value of flexible, pollution-free renewable power. These steps complement ambitious state renewable programs that continue to play a key role in our ongoing transformation to a thriving clean energy economy.

The Green New Deal’s goal of meeting 100 percent of national power demand through renewable sources will be an ambitious undertaking, but the renewable sector has demonstrated it is economically competitive and ready to grow at scale. We can meet the nation’s power needs with a combination of renewable generation, an advanced grid to distribute and store power, and a level playing field.

Our renewable energy future is no longer a question of economics or technology. It is a matter of smart policy and political will.

[johnforbes]

I'd be delighted, in a Leibnitzian best of all possible worlds, to have green everything and free everything.

However, this young twit AOC was serving coffee in 2017 and that was the apex of her ability.

The Green New Deal is untenable, to put it mildly, in the real world where rational people know money does not grow on trees.

[RealJustme]

A survey of the nation’s biggest renewable energy investors undertaken last spring by the American Council on Renewable Energy...

So exactly what would you expect from a survey of the nation's biggest "renewable energy investors" TAKEN by the American Council of Renewable Energy to say...green energy is a farce? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[namngulfvet]

to Snake $94 Trillion dollars is chump change

[Clownkicker]

Compared to DEATH FOR ALL HUMANS, it is, dimwit.

[johnforbes]

But that is a classic false dilemma.

Those are not the options.

I say that as a representative of the American Council for Rational Sense on Matters Green and Non-Green.

[snakeoil]

Enact an emergency Green New Deal to turn the tide on climate change, revive the economy and make wars for oil obsolete. Initiate a WWII-scale national mobilization to halt climate change, the greatest threat to humanity in our history. Create 20 million jobs by transitioning to 100% clean renewable energy by 2030, and investing in public transit, sustainable (regenerative) agriculture, conservation and restoration of critical infrastructure, including ecosystems.

Implement a Just Transition that empowers those communities and workers most impacted by climate change and the transition to a green economy. Ensure that any worker displaced by the shift away from fossil fuels will receive full income and benefits as they transition to alternative work.

Enact energy democracy based on public, community and worker ownership of our energy system. Treat energy as a human right.

Redirect research funds from fossil fuels into renewable energy and conservation. Build a nationwide smart electricity grid that can pool and store power from a diversity of renewable sources, giving the nation clean, democratically-controlled, energy.

End destructive energy extraction and associated infrastructure: fracking, tar sands, offshore drilling, oil trains, mountaintop removal, natural gas pipelines, and uranium mines. Halt any investment in fossil fuel infrastructure, including natural gas, and phase out all fossil fuel power plants. Phase out nuclear power and end nuclear subsidies. End all subsidies for fossil fuels and impose a greenhouse gas fee/tax to charge polluters for the damage they have created.”

[namngulfvet]

Enact an emergency Green New Deal to turn the tide on climate change, revive the economy and make wars for oil obsolete. Initiate a WWII-scale national mobilization to halt climate change, the greatest threat to humanity in our history. Create 20 million jobs by transitioning to 100% clean renewable energy by 2030, and investing in public transit, sustainable (regenerative) agriculture, conservation and restoration of critical infrastructure, including ecosystems.

Implement a Just Transition that empowers those communities and workers most impacted by climate change and the transition to a green economy. Ensure that any worker displaced by the shift away from fossil fuels will receive full income and benefits as they transition to alternative work.

Enact energy democracy based on public, community and worker ownership of our energy system. Treat energy as a human right.

Redirect research funds from fossil fuels into renewable energy and conservation. Build a nationwide smart electricity grid that can pool and store power from a diversity of renewable sources, giving the nation clean, democratically-controlled, energy.

End destructive energy extraction and associated infrastructure: fracking, tar sands, offshore drilling, oil trains, mountaintop removal, natural gas pipelines, and uranium mines. Halt any investment in fossil fuel infrastructure, including natural gas, and phase out all fossil fuel power plants. Phase out nuclear power and end nuclear subsidies. End all subsidies for fossil fuels and impose a greenhouse gas fee/tax to charge polluters for the damage they have created.”

AT what cost

[sillydaddy]

Redirect research funds from fossil fuels into renewable energy....

I guess this means we need to drill more oil wells...! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[namngulfvet]

Redirect research funds from fossil fuels into renewable energy and conservation. Build a nationwide smart electricity grid that can pool and store power from a diversity of renewable sources, giving the nation clean, democratically-controlled, energy.

How and what do you use as Energy

[johnforbes]

Leftist idiots like AOC would just use their morning drink from Starbucks as energy.

Most of the leftists talking about a "green new deal" are woefully uninformed about the real world.

[snakeoil]

https://inhabitat.com/one-third-of-the- ... le-energy/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

After years of hard work and dedication, a third of the power generated around the world is now linked to renewable energy. The International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) just released new data that shows impressive growth in both wind and solar energy, which has contributed to the changes in energy sources around the globe.

Locations differed in the rate of renewable energy capacity. Asia, for example, witnessed an increase in renewable energy by 11 percent, while Africa’s pace was a little above 8.4 percent. Also contributing the numbers is the fact that two-thirds of the power added last year came from renewable sources, and developing countries are leading the pack.

[namngulfvet]

Snake, do you have any clue what it takes to build a Solar farm? you need hundreds of acres if not thousands, then you have to level anything on it. then you have put in thousands of miles of wiring, then you need someplace to store it like a Hugh battery system, then you need to build Hugh Solar panels that will cook anything thing around them. Killing any and all wild life with in miles of the place. Then you have to install wiring to get all this energy out to the public. Now lest talk a bout the cost of all this.. Are you will to put thousands of people out of work by shutting down the Oil company.
do your research before you post something like this. your looking at billions and billions if not Trillions to switch over...

[Clownkicker]

Yeah, that's almost as bad as building thousands of miles of leaky pipelines across thousands of acres of water supplies and critical wildlife areas. And using 1000s of huge tankers to move oil around the world and cause catastrophic spills, as well as living with tank train accidents in our cities and open-ocean drilling platform blowouts. But sure, it is going to cost us all something to cover the true costs of oil that haven't been paid for a hundred years. Refusing to pay the true costs for another 50 years is simply idiotic.

"do your research before you post something like this."-dumbfuck

Listen to your own arrogant gibberish, dimwit.

[RealJustme]

Yeah, that's almost as bad as building thousands of miles of leaky pipelines across thousands of acres of water supplies and critical wildlife areas

Why would anyone build leaky pipelines? Oh you mean if the government builds them, I got it.

[Clownkicker]

Tool, ALL pipelines leak. Particularly oil pipelines. And not one of them in the U.S. was ever built by the U.S. government, dimwit.

What you've "got" is your usual dimwitted made up stupid shit for morons.

[RealJustme]

Tool, ALL pipelines leak. Particularly oil pipelines.

No they don't

[namngulfvet]

Tool, ALL pipelines leak. Particularly oil pipelines. And not one of them in the U.S. was ever built by the U.S. government, dimwit.

What you've "got" is your usual dimwitted made up stupid shit for morons.

Care to prove this! Come on mr pull it out of your ass.. Prove it

[Clownkicker]

No, I chose to take the "conservative" route and, like johnforbes does, tell you to look it up on the internet.

And until you call johnforbes on one of his unsupported posts and tell him he pulled it out of his ass, I'm not 'proving' anything to you, dimwit. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[johnforbes]

Everybody would like solar to work.

Remember 30 years ago, you could drive down the road and see solar panels on houses.

But the economic payoff was not there then.

It isn't there now, and sadly that is the reality for solar and wind et al.

All the Left Wing rhetoric sadly won't alter that truth.

[elklindo69]

I hear there is a group of jackasses who believe “wind turbine syndrome” causes cancer.

They’re still waiting for scientists to confirm!

:lol: :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen: :lol:

[johnforbes]

I'd like to see solar and wind and other forms of alt energy actually make business sense.

Everybody would.

They don't now.

[elklindo69]

Wind and solar accounts for 10% of the total electrical generation in the US.

How does that not make sense Johnnie? Or are you that ignorant?

:roll:

[snakeoil]

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2838/huge ... pid-decay/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A gigantic cavity - two-thirds the area of Manhattan and almost 1,000 feet (300 meters) tall - growing at the bottom of Thwaites Glacier in West Antarctica is one of several disturbing discoveries reported in a new NASA-led study of the disintegrating glacier. The findings highlight the need for detailed observations of Antarctic glaciers' undersides in calculating how fast global sea levels will rise in response to climate change.

Researchers expected to find some gaps between ice and bedrock at Thwaites' bottom where ocean water could flow in and melt the glacier from below. The size and explosive growth rate of the newfound hole, however, surprised them. It's big enough to have contained 14 billion tons of ice, and most of that ice melted over the last three years.

"We have suspected for years that Thwaites was not tightly attached to the bedrock beneath it," said Eric Rignot of the University of California, Irvine, and NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. Rignot is a co-author of the new study, which was published today in Science Advances. "Thanks to a new generation of satellites, we can finally see the detail," he said.

The cavity was revealed by ice-penetrating radar in NASA's Operation IceBridge, an airborne campaign beginning in 2010 that studies connections between the polar regions and the global climate. The researchers also used data from a constellation of Italian and German spaceborne synthetic aperture radars. These very high-resolution data can be processed by a technique called radar interferometry to reveal how the ground surface below has moved between images.

"[The size of] a cavity under a glacier plays an important role in melting," said the study's lead author, Pietro Milillo of JPL. "As more heat and water get under the glacier, it melts faster."

Get ready for it!!!!!!

[snakeoil]

https://www.vox.com/2017/9/6/16062174/p ... st-melting" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You can find evidence of a changing climate everywhere on Earth. But nowhere are the changes more dramatic than in the Arctic.

Our world’s northern polar region is warming twice as fast as the global average. And the consequences are easy to spot. On average, Arctic sea ice extent is shrinking every summer. The Greenland ice sheet is becoming unstable.

But perhaps most disturbing are the changes occurring underground in the permafrost. Permafrost is a layer of frozen soil that covers 25 percent of the Northern Hemisphere. It acts like a giant freezer, keeping microbes, carbon, poisonous mercury, and soil locked in place.

Now it’s melting. And things are getting weird and creepy: The ground warps, folds, and caves. Roadways built on top of permafrost have becoming wavy roller coasters through the tundra. Long-dormant microbes — some trapped in the ice for tens of thousands of years — are beginning to wake up, releasing equally ancient C02, and could potentially come to infect humans with deadly diseases. And the retreating ice is exposing frozen plants that haven’t seen the sun in 45,000 years, as new radiocarbon dating research suggests.

A recent Arctic Council report says that 20 percent of the permafrost near the surface may melt by 2040. Already scientists have noticed permafrost temperatures slowly climbing. “In the 1980s, the temperature of permafrost in Alaska, Russia and other Arctic regions averaged to be almost 18°F,” the U.S. Geological Survey explained in 2015. “Now the average is just over 28°F.”

A 2010 study in Russia found 0.5°C to 2°C of permafrost warming in the past three decades, bringing some locations dangerously close to thawing and pushing the boundary of permafrost regions ever northward. And the depth of the “active layer” — the top layer of permafrost that thaws in the summertime — is growing deeper in the Arctic regions north of Europe, a sign of instability.

When it thaws, a Pandora’s box is unleashed. To better understand the strange changes in the permafrost, I spoke with Robert Max Holmes, an earth systems scientist with the Woods Hole Research Center. When I reached him by phone, he was in Bethel, Alaska, a small outpost town 400 miles west of Anchorage, and had just come back from an eight-day research and teaching expedition in the wilderness.

A week earlier, Holmes and his students had set up temperature sensors in the soil near their encampment. Their first reading was 0.3°C. “It's barely frozen. And we just sort of sat there stunned. You don't know whether to cry or what. Because you're just like: My God, this whole thing is just going to change in a big way.”

[johnforbes]

Climate always changes.

Is there any argument about that anywhere?

What intelligent people object to is one partisan group, the modern Left Wing, making all sorts of wild claims about the world ending in 12 years unless Democrats get more affirmative action.

Id est, the dumb assertions of AOC and her ilk.